Planning an Ultra on Elven Wizard

Since I've already completed the game on multiple characters without save scumming, I would like to give ultra ending a try.

My chosen char is Grey Elven Wizard, since it's a relatively easy char for early game when using the bug temple as initial leveling ground - I safely get to lvl 12 or 13, get 50 HP, 150 PP and then off for a session of stairhopping in ID to get the necessary spellbooks (SoA, knock, some offensive spells, invis, tele, heal, maybe acid ball) and some initial gear.
I usually emerge with most of the desired spells at 500-1000 charges and Le & Ma stats anywhere between 25-30.

Now normally I have no problems doing all the surface and Thrundarr's quests, but the first real problem is saving Khelavaster.
I just can't seem to get a wish or find the amulet outright, and am either forced to forfeit his life or go for a grinding session and hope for random loot, but where?
ID? would have to descend to lvl 20 or 24 to match the danger level and even then randomly getting it is a tedious process.
DF is of course cleared, pools sipped (last three games I had not a single wish from a pool, despite finding at least 4 outside of DF).
Bug temple interior not yet touched, RotHK in my backpack, pyramid cleared, dwarven graveyard cleared, fire temple done.
This is usually when I'm supposed to go deeper into CoC. I don't have a char at this stage yet, but this is a typical line of progression for 99% of my wizards.
I also have 7LB at this point, usually from one of the vaults, I am of lawful alignment, around lvl 20, lots of holy water, deity is at extremely close but plenty of artifacts already found, mostly guaranteed ones, make me ineligible for precrowning.
Last char died after casting too many fireballs in the animated forest and subsequently getting vanquished by an uber tree.
One before that fell down some stairs in ID while very strained and broke a neck.
Yet another char met an early end when I accidentally meleed ogre king around DH2.

So all in all, my deaths usually result from my own carelessness and stupidity rather than the general RNG's maliciousness, and mostly in the early-to-mid game (there was one late game accident when SoA ended while I was doing w5 waiting for herbs to regrow and got crushed by luggage, a lesson I learned). But if I'm able to overcome them by being more patient and careful, I should be ok (as in the RNG doesn't seem to give a damn about me either way). I usually get 1-2 RoDS later in the game, around casino and greater vaults, as well as a wand of wishing, mostly around Blue Dragon Caves, but that happens in games when I actually let Khelly die and just move on for a normal gate closing.

I will roll another char soon and get to that stage when I have to save Khelly, then post a log.
As for the rest of the journey to ultra ending, I know the drill, I finished the game that way multiple times cheating but I want this one to be legit.

So, how do I get that damn amulet of life saving? Gremlin bomb is a viable option but rather tedious. Considering I don't care about real-life or game-time constraints and don't mind using some of the scummy techniques, what additional advises would you give me?

This is what I would do:

1. Start new character.
2. Prepare for pool sipping ASAP.
3. Sip DF pools.
4. If wish, finish game. Else, goto 1.

Alternatively, IIRC Soirana advised someone to get the spellbook of wish from the library, dive into the ID until you find molochs / titans, gain level 50 from them and then wait for silvernight. According to him this allows you to hardcast a wish. I never tried this myself, though, and I'm not 100 % sure I explained it correctly.

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Originally Posted by Blasphemous

I just can't seem to get a wish or find the amulet outright, and am either forced to forfeit his life or go for a grinding session and hope for random loot, but where?
ID? would have to descend to lvl 20 or 24 to match the danger level and even then randomly getting it is a tedious process.

You're thinking of a RoDS, which even then can only be found on I24 onwards. Amulets of life saving are DL2, so the optimal zone is between I6 to I8, and I've found a few there during my games. Pickpocketing helps, but it's always a matter of patience and luck. You also said you cleared the dwarven graveyard, any chances you've done some gravedigging there? If not, that's also an option. Just bring a whip which you will use when your alignment drops to LN. There's also dipping junk rings in blessed PoEXs on D:8. Or you can dip "safe" amulets in a PoRC on D:2 for that 1% chance of getting what you want...

Of course ring dipping on D8 is viable, I just never seem to have enough potions of exchange to get the rods. At least not until getting banshee to the animated forest.
As for the amulet of life saving, I seriously though it was DL7-8, hmmm there might be a chance to get one if I decided to gather some potions of water in ID, they also have danger level of 2.
Gravedigging is a must, but I only dig the "great treasuries are buried here" graves, this ensures the best possible random loot and minimal alignment drop.
Whip is my usually means of getting to L+, in time before dwarftown so the altar there is generated lawful too.
In practice I find all kinds of altars here and there so conversion to any alignment at this stage of the game is not a problem.

That idea with forge pools asap and then new game seems like a nice one, my new char I just stared got lvl 13 already, lightning bolt and teleport spells onboard, just need a blink dog corpse or amulet/ring of Tctrl and I'm off to pool sipping.

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Originally Posted by Blasphemous

Of course ring dipping on D8 is viable, I just never seem to have enough potions of exchange to get the rods. At least not until getting banshee to the animated forest.
As for the amulet of life saving, I seriously though it was DL7-8, hmmm there might be a chance to get one if I decided to gather some potions of water in ID, they also have danger level of 2.
Gravedigging is a must, but I only dig the "great treasuries are buried here" graves, this ensures the best possible random loot and minimal alignment drop.
Whip is my usually means of getting to L+, in time before dwarftown so the altar there is generated lawful too.
In practice I find all kinds of altars here and there so conversion to any alignment at this stage of the game is not a problem.

That idea with forge pools asap and then new game seems like a nice one, my new char I just stared got lvl 13 already, lightning bolt and teleport spells onboard, just need a blink dog corpse or amulet/ring of Tctrl and I'm off to pool sipping.

You can also dip amulets into raw chaos pots on DL2. Although success chance is lower than <1%.

Success! Got a wish in darkforge. Although only 6 pools were available, I got 1 wish, perma invis, +lucky +fate, stun, cold and acid resistances. One stat increase too.
Few negative effects, mostly snakes, one elemental that rusted half of my equipment, +doom and a few sips later -doom. Pretty good, let the Ultra attempt begin.

For ultras, I normally only go for it when the RNG tells me I'm supposed to. If I find an RoDS or some other wish before Khelly, fine, I'll save him (assuming I don't need the wish for something better). If not, I'll just go for a regular win. Trying to force it often ends up wasting a lot of time and can screw up your character. The pool-reroll method isn't honestly terrible though. It's probably much more efficient than trying to get it by stairhopping or grinding.

Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've found ring dipping to be surprisingly reliable. Usually 4-5 PoEX is enough for a decent shot at it.

Wow RNG has a sense of humor. AoLS is being sold in the HMV shop now... so now I have two amulets instead of an amulet and for example 7LB.

As for PoEX, I made extensive testing some time ago, for my own purposes: sometimes I got rods 3 times in 10 dips, sometimes 100 dips is not enough to it once, but on average I guess 20-25 dips almost ensure success.

Edit: Khelly saved, time for the Banshee to talk the animated trees to death.

What should I do to be extra careful? I feel like I almost won already, I'm being careless and it might and probably will kill me soon. Just moments before saving the dying sage, I entered a tension room full of titans in DH2. Lucky for me, my stealth skill was almost at 100 and only 2 of them noticed me and started moving, but no quarrels flew at me. I teleported out unharmed, but it was close.

Here's some generic wizard advice. I'm sure you know most of this already though...

Morgia enhance your toughness and willpower as high as you can (I normally shoot for 31 or 32 To, but high 20s is good enough). That's probably the most important thing, honestly... You're a wizard, so you should be able to avoid most of the worst dangers otherwise. Bolting through invisible doesn't trigger monsters, but ball/burning hands does, so you can kill ~95 percent of monsters safely if you bolt. Mind your carrying capacity if you use SoA (honestly, probably better just to avoid SoA and not be a packrat, IMHO). Use melee sparingly--nothing wrong with dual shields on coward if you've got lots of spells to burn through, especially in more dangerous areas. If you haven't maxed alchemy yet, I'd put that as a priority if you want to do the banshee thing. You should be able to get some PoGA ingredients out of that. Use disablers against the Wyrm and Archmage and other casters since you don't have alertness. When all else fails, spam acid ball. Oh, and don't be afraid to HPcast. PP regeneration is too slow in the endgame to be useful. You can HPcast healing spells fairly efficiently to get your health back if you need to. Uh... make sure you have death ray resistance installed for key areas. Ditto for para resist.

For ultras specifically... well, be careful when praying if you've got the right alignment and high piety. If you need healing and pray, your god will crown you, for example (which does give full health). Be sure to actually talk to the AKW before doing his quest. It's stupid, but I've had, and I've seen a number of other people who have had, ultras missed because of something like that. Be sure to have see invisibility on any time you visit Terinyo. Nothing worse than accidentally bumping into Khelly while you're going to visit Blup for the RCT or something. For ULE, you should have mountains of corruption removal. Get rid of any corruptions you don't like as you need to. Read the crumpled scroll when you find it. In the unlikely event that it gets destroyed, if you've read it, you can make it again with a writing set.

RoDS have a 4.5-5 percent chance per dip on D:8, IIRC. That seems fairly consistent with your trials.

Isn't there a bug that makes the game crash sometimes at the moment you save the sage? Better make a backup before you do it. Oh wait.. you already did that. Err, the banshee luring thing might be a tad risky without 7LB..

A single PoE is about equal to a single pool, if I'm not mistaken. Both are good for about 5% chance.

Advice about disablers on more dangerous monsters is a good one, somehow I never really cared to throw all those potions of confusion and/or blindness or use wands of para.
As for the other advices, indeed I already know all that. What I'm wondering about is the alignment change to do crone's quests. From what I know it's best to do that early since on higher levels its much more difficult to go back from C to L, so I will attempt that at lvl 20. Right now I'm 18, banshee is in the forest, alchemy maxed. Wands of door creation and webbing in inventory so soon I will set up a Laguna cage. Banshee hit me once - crit for 40 HP, when I have 98, but otherwise no problems with her. Dual wielding shields since ID. I'm a pack rat so it will be very difficult to not rely heavily on SoA.

Edit: 1st major mistake: accidentally took the stairs up to dwarftown with banshee behind me and the town is hostile now. Ratling however is not, so I'm still in the game. But that was stupid :/
Wanted to take her down to DH, but must have pressed the wrong staircase arrow <> and sage took me upstairs haha...
Muscular dwarves showed up and the shopkeeper is hostile but the rest of them doesn't seem to care - guardians, regular dwarves are all neutral.

Oh and to make PoGA I would need pots of youth and longevity...

Edit2: 38 rings of djinni summoning, wish spell from potion of wonder = Ultra Archmage possible. Char lvl 23, all stats 50+\
I'm cutting through all resistance like phase dagger through a giant rat. Fire temple done, minotaur emp gone, going for the RotHK now.
I guess there's no point in updating this thread anymore, either I succeed and post a log, or die some horrific stupid death... and post a log anyway.

Sorry for asking, but was there ever an Ultra without such techniques as clearing forest with banshee, ring dipping, etc?

Yes. Mine, for starters.

Dear lord, don't assume that any of that is obligatory. Though there often are risks associated with it, too, aside from it being quite boring. Smart use of ten items will always beat not-so-smart use of a thousand. Many players will prepare excessively through item hoarding, and as long as they don't get killed doing it (Strength of Atlas, anyone? Fireball trap plus banshee?), that's fine, but it's still excessive.

The greatest hurdle is the amulet of life saving. Extreme measures in finding it may be unavoidable, but I'd only start worrying about them if the Darkforge pools prove uncooperative. All other random items required can be gotten quite reliably from the Casino. Usually you're barely in your mid-twenties after you beat the ToEF, and the Casino is basically right after the ToEF. I wouldn't start taking extreme measures to get Gaab'Baay's items before the Tower, is what I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by Silfir

All other random items required can be gotten quite reliably from the Casino.

I think there is a good chance the casino has either no scroll of danger or no wand of monster creation, actually. My ultra didn't find the wand there and had a rough time finding one elsewhere. I guess if you restock you're bound to get them, though.

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Originally Posted by Spellweaver

Sorry for asking, but was there ever an Ultra without such techniques as clearing forest with banshee, ring dipping, etc?

Sure. An ultra is not much more difficult than a regular game, except you need to get a bit lucky early on to find an AoLS.

I just did an ultra in the thread below this without any super scummy techniques besides starvation/sickness scumming when eating corpses, using the ID for blink dog corpses, and pickpocketing. The RNG did throw me an AoLS and 11 wishes, though. I'd say it's not too difficult to to do as long as you have an AoLS or a wish for one.

Usually find multiple wands of monster creation/scrolls of danger before the casino. Always boggles my mind when someone is past the casino and hasn't found either. I play with Treasure Hunter installed, so maybe that's the difference.

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Originally Posted by sytar6

I just did an ultra in the thread below this without any super scummy techniques besides starvation/sickness scumming when eating corpses, using the ID for blink dog corpses, and pickpocketing. The RNG did throw me an AoLS and 11 wishes, though. I'd say it's not too difficult to to do as long as you have an AoLS or a wish for one.

Usually find multiple wands of monster creation/scrolls of danger before the casino. Always boggles my mind when someone is past the casino and hasn't found either. I play with Treasure Hunter installed, so maybe that's the difference.

Wands of monster creation are pretty common. Scrolls of danger are fairly rare--probably as rare as, say 7lbs. There's a decent chance you'll see one or two in a game, but it's by no means guaranteed. I checked the savegames from 10 of my winners, and, of those, 7 had seen a scroll of danger and 3 had not, for what it's worth. I didn't check for treasure hunter, but most of them probably had it.

All those rare items drop eventually after spending some time with banshee in the forest, this fixes so many item problems.
I get lots of useful scrolls, usually including 1-2 scrolls of danger and plenty of wands of MC.
Mostly also 2-3 pairs of 7LB, 3-4 SoCR, 1-2 AoLS and anywhere around 100 potions of water and 90 percent of spell books.
All that at the time cost equivalent to 10 blessed stomafillia herbs digested from bloated to starving.
Not much I suppose and risk-free, assuming everything is properly prepared, as in banshee is in laguna cage and you are locked in a corner and carefully W5.
The only problem is Khelly that has to be saved or allowed to die in order to get deeper into CoC, everything else is superficial.
Personally I never use the starvation/sickness method to raise stats, I prefer getting PoGA directly from the forest and raising stats to 40-50, which is for all intents and purposes enough for any ending.

I died haha.
Here's the short .flg with some unimportant stuff cut.
Killed by (probably) extremely experienced greater moloch in a tension room on MT level after killing Nurgy (no need for disablers, couple of acid balls did the trick).
Everything else, emp moloch, chaos dragon, emp minotaur, srax - breezed though with slaying ammo and acid ball.
Elemental temples posed no challenge at all. 38 RoDS in this game, some still left over. Filk in ID10, no big deal.
Died from overconfidence, do not ever think you are powerful enough to survive anything, since the best chars can easily be killed by a careless player.

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She scored 3144203 points and advanced to level 50. She survived for 0 years, 292 days, 16 hours, 48 minutes and 36 seconds (265146 turns). Daenerys visited 143 places. Her strength score was modified by +89 during her career. Her learning score was modified by +37 during her career. Her willpower score was modified by +69 during her career. Her dexterity score was modified by +36 during her career. Her toughness score was modified by +58 during her career. Her charisma score was modified by +29 during her career. Her appearance score was modified by +35 during her career. Her mana score was modified by +45 during her career. Her perception score was modified by +23 during her career. She was unnaturally aged by 8 years. She made a little water dragon very happy. She brought back joy into the life of a tiny girl. She killed the emperor of the ancient minotaur race. She defeated the arch enemy of a mighty karmic wyrm. She stopped the generation of nasty bugs. She saved Khelavaster from certain death. She ended her adventuring life in the temple of elemental Mana. 6322 monsters perished under her attacks. The following 23 artifacts were generated during her adventure: the si the scythe of corruption "Moon Sickle" the Chaos Orb of Elemental Water the Chaos Orb of Elemental Air the Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire the Chaos Orb of Elemental Earth the heavy crossbow "The Far Slayer" the rune-covered trident the sword of Nonnak the elemental gauntlets the ring of the High Kings the phial of Caladriel the crown of science the boots of great speed the Crown of Chaos the Medal of Chaos the Chaos Orb of Elemental Mana the black rune-covered dagger "Needle" the robes of resistance the iron gauntlets "Ironfist" the emerald dagger "Serpent's Bite" the Trident of the Red Rooster the axe of the minotaur emperor She possessed the following intrinsics: She was fire resistant (gained through items). She was poison resistant. She was cold resistant (enhanced through an item). She was acid resistant (enhanced through an item). She was lucky. Fate smiled upon her. She was able to control teleportation. She was invisible. She was stun resistant. She was resistant to death rays (gained through items). She was shock resistant (enhanced through items). She was able to see invisible things (gained through items). She was immune to shock attacks. She was immune to fire attacks (gained through an item). She was immune to acidic attacks (gained through an item). She was immune to ice attacks (gained through an item). She was able to breathe water (gained through an item). She had the following talents: Alert, Careful, Charged, Defensive Fighter, Good Book Caster, Good Book Learner, Good Learner, Greased Lightning, Great Book Caster, Mighty Aura, Miser, Potent Aura, Quick, Shield Expert, Shield Specialist, Strong Aura, Treasure Hunter, Very Careful, Very Quick. She had a final speed score of 151 (final base speed: 151). She was a messiah of Corellius. She did not ask for divine help. She was a holy champion of Order. She was slightly tainted by Chaos. The following monsters were vanquished: 1 ancient black dragon 18 ancient blue dragons 1 ancient blue wyrm 1 Ancient Chaos Wyrm 3 ancient karmic wyrms 12 ancient red dragons 1 Ancient Stone Beast 1 berserker emperor 1 berserker king 85 blink dogs 24 blue baby dragons 22 blue dragons 1 Chaos Archmage 5 diamond golems 1 doppleganger king 1 doppleganger lord 1 emperor moloch 2 ghost kings 57 ghost lords 6 great blue wyrms 1 great red wyrm 1 greater black unicorn 50 greater chaos servants 75 greater claw bugs 2642 gremlins 176 killer bugs 11 liches 2 lich kings 1 minotaur emperor 1 multi-headed chaos dragon 1 quickling bard 1 quickling king 86 quickling lords 1 quickling queen 1 shopkeeper 1 werewolf king

you were on berserk

Indeed I was. Another huge mistake, I was probably shooting something earlier so I wanted to maximize chance to-hit. Oh well, got carried away in my zeal to cleanse the level asap ;)

Oh, yeah, I know that feeling when you get carried away and dye of overconfidence. Real pity, so many good chars died this way...

And this is why you should never bother taking the Banshee to the Animated Forest.

Banshee had absolutely nothing to do with my death.

I don't know man. That kind of loot generation gets to your head. Wish engines make you do crazy things, like berserking GMs in a tension room.

When I get stats like this and AotME with elven wizards, I berserk greater molochs on a daily basis, via wishing for emperor moloch. They go down in 3-4 hits.
Problem is, this one was probably generated with a very high level - normally GMs hit me for 300-400 hp, this one got me down from 900 in one hit. Unexpected.
But then again I was going too fast, didn't pay enough attention as I just sliced through Nurgy like a phase dagger through a tiny girl, so what could possibly happen? GM happened.
If I got to D50, I'd turn on careful approach again and nothing like this would happen since I'd be super cautious. Sadly this was so out-of-nowhere that I was obviously unprepared and died horribly.
Another ultra attempt coming soon, same combo.

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Originally Posted by Blasphemous

When ...elven wizards, berserk greater molochs on a daily basis...

Well, if you ask me that is good recipe to dying no matter what stats. In general going on winning is easier:)