What can happen in case of source release...

Just a small result of one evening of not very hard work... As an example of how I would started changing ADoM if I would be allowed. Here, just unpack and load the only saved character, and explore nearby villages, temple, your own house etc. Most interesting things are hidden in new variant of Laven, also it worth to get druid's quest. Surely, you'll have some fun 8).
If you'll like it - I suggest to organize a small competition in modifying the game by this way. May be, the Creator will like it, too - at least, I hope...

With best regards, Mikhail.

To be frank I imagine this is exactly what the Creator does not want to see, and actually severely puts me off the idea of the source code being released.

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Originally Posted by Grey

To be frank I imagine this is exactly what the Creator does not want to see, and actually severely puts me off the idea of the source code being released.

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As I said in another thread, I really suspect some of this might be trolling. I mean, look at the title of his post; 'what can happen in case of source release'....

Either trolling or a straw-man argument from someone who, for some reason, strongly doesn't want the source released.

Either way, it's depressing.

Did you look at what he did? Must have taken several days with ADOMBot to create that. He's either well-meaning but doesn't properly understand TB's wishes, or is so dedicated a troll that he has zero life whatsoever.

You are absolutely right. I do *not* want the source code to be released, I'm not even a straw-man 8). If you think you can do better - try, may be you'll be much more successful. It's easy with use of ADoM-Bot and some .exe-editing.
I simply suggest to try to make your own modifications and see, how it looks.

...and, to be honest, I don't think it was *such* terrible, though I don't pretend it was something serious. Also I hope that somebody, not me, can really make something great?..

And it really took only 6 hours. Upon my life =) !

Oh. I have to leave this discussion, it's not my computer. What a pity. See you later.

Congratulations, yet another copyright violation.

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Originally Posted by Covenant

or a straw-man argument from someone who, for some reason, strongly doesn't want the source released.

Either way, it's depressing.

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Oh he called it.

Regardless, even if you don't wish for the source code to be released, it's better to argue your points with good sense and reason rather than try and intimidate or distress someone into going along your path. If I put pictures of my kids up on the internet and someone photoshops them into pornography or something to convince me not to put anything personal up on the internet - well, it's neither an effective or polite arguing tactic, in my opinion.

ya know, after seeing this I wouldnt be surprised if TB said "Ok thats it. F you people im not releasing anything." friggin noob. I wouldnt be surprised if he never beat the game without botting. Shouldnt he get banned for this??? AdomBOT is so not supported by TB and he posted a saved game that was botted. I would ban him if I could.

ADOM will die if the source is not released, he already has too much stuff to do for him to ever get to changing any of the code in the near-distant future

technically adom wont die, as JADE is ADOM2.

It's also possible that nothing happens. Well, at least nothing like in irrational fears that TB has. When I released Teemu's source code it was just ported to linux and Mac. People aren't interested in developing games or they don't feel comfortable with source code of different style than what they use. Of course, it's early to say in case of Teemu... I mean, the source code is really decent. It's got one known bug (turn spent when cancelling action) but that's pretty much it. It's clean, portable and quite easy to edit. Still, even after that I think it's unlikely that someone is going to create anything. It's not like it was Angband, so I think people require ultra easy editing. Just plain programming is too much for them. I believe that releasing ADOM's source code would attract only serious bug-fixing programmers and it would be good for everyone.

I'd assume at this point, with TB planning on porting ADOM to iPad and releasing a commercial "ADOM Deluxe" version, open source is off the table permanently.

There are plenty of open source games on the iPhone already (including the roguelike POWDER), so it's really not exclusive.

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Originally Posted by JellySlayer

with TB planning on porting ADOM to iPad and releasing a commercial "ADOM Deluxe" version, open source is off the table permanently.

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You know, when TB was young he was a promising roguelike developer, but now he has fallen into the dark side of the force. Commercial games? Apple? All signs of the dark side.

If you're going to be a troll, at least be witty. "Dark side of the force", really?

I think this whole "I'm maybe releasing the source, what do you think.." is a hoax to cover the fact that parts of the ADOM's source code may be taken from other games like Nethack. He never planned to release the source anyway. He can get "upset" by some comments and then "decide" not to release the source code.

That was a minor improvement as far as wit goes, but props for trying. Unfortunately by posting in this thread, you made the impression that you needed three months and several weeks to come up with that one. For trolling purposes, it would have been better to create a new thread with an appropriately inflammatory title.

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I think this whole "I'm maybe releasing the source, what do you think.." is a hoax to cover the fact that parts of the ADOM's source code may be taken from other games like Nethack.

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Does any code diver confirm this? Never read a single thread about it, and trust me, i've read tons of threads on codedived results.

Continous inactivity of TB made me think recently again about releasing Adom source code. While I still think that Adom is TB's child and if he wants to, he can do whatever he wants, personally from a player point of view it would be better if Adom sources would be released.

I don't consider crappy variants as a threat. Sure, there would some poor attempts at creating variants, but looking at what happened with NetHack and Crawl sources (Slash'EM and DC Stone Soup) gives hope that with group of skilled and creative people could make wonders with Adom.

Probably my huge dissapointment with TB's attitude had big impact on my change of view, but still looking objectively (as far as it is possible) I see more positive sides than negative (even if I realize that most likely it won't happen ever)...

Edit: Dumb me, wrong thread. It was supposed to go to "to release or to not release..." thread.