No intrinsic guy

So, I recently got this idea (which I'm sure was already used) to play a game without any intrinsic, either natural or gained through an item. Let's see what that means in term of gameplay.

- A number of classes cannot be used. These include: assassin (=Pois), beastfighter (-Pois + -Stun), druid (=Elec), elementalist (-Wbrth), mindcrafter (-Tctrl), weaponsmith (=Fire). With the huge exception of beastfighter and maybe mincrafter you won't need them anyway.

- No crowning, no piety for multiple prayers

- (almost) no artifact weapons. The only legitimate are Moon Sickle, Cat'c Claw, Golden Gladius, Vanquisher, Kinslayer, Justifier and Sting&Needle (seriously considering them). Paladin with big J or barb with even bigger V would be perfect for this, but you can't crown, so we can cross them out. Several artifacts deserve special attention due to missile capabilities, mainly RCT.

- Even less artifact non-weapons. We can only hope for Iron Crown of Havlor and Aylas Holy Scarf, both of which are screwed without ToGu's patch. So yeah, kinda bad. No -foo- dragon scale mails either.

- No teleport control, which is somewhat serious, but I can live with that.

- No invisibility except from potions which is much worse. EDIT: Spells are ok, so it's ok.

- No death ray resistance which is huge gamble for archmage, liches and co.

- No friendly passing EG, which I don't like. Still, we can kill him several times for extra xp.

- ToEF will be a complete disaster. What's more, no elemental gauntlets for decreased corruption, so using Water Orb will be pretty bad.

- No pool sipping.

- No BDC, so that actually crosses out Sting&Needle, damn it. It's probably possible, but you have to be really-really superlucky with monster generation. Maybe stock on Death Ray with a wizard, but still scary as hell.

- No ultras. It's not like I was going to anyway.

Can't think of anything else, but what is there already is pretty bad.

The most logical way is to play an archer, which I'll probably try first. Barehanded monks is a possible choice too, along with casters (we have priest, wizzie and necro). Best shot with an archer is getting Farslayer and I hope RNG won't screw me over with tons of other artifacts.

I might think about abusing Jharod for healing, because it will be needed a lot.

I'll probably try this on the server, just for the sake of fun for others if there are some.

Exploded on booby-trapped door on d:7. That was just lame.
Another one, I guess.

Damn it, what's with these booby-trapped doors? This time I didn't even try to kick it down. Meh. I guess having 6To doesn't help.

> I'll probably try this on the server,

that will be a good trick

oh, i see you already rolled a no-herbalism guy with To:9.
This should be fun.

EDIT: about passing the EG, how will you do that without tp ctrl?

also, it might, MIGHT work to chat with him while having the ring in the missile slot,
but then again, I think the ring actually gives -fire while in the missile slot, so nvm.
Does item based regen count as an intrinsic?

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Originally Posted by gut

oh, i see you already rolled a no-herbalism guy with To:9.
This should be fun.

EDIT: about passing the EG, how will you do that without tp ctrl?

also, it might, MIGHT work to chat with him while having the ring in the missile slot,
but then again, I think the ring actually gives -fire while in the missile slot, so nvm.
Does item based regen count as an intrinsic?

That is a good question. I thought about, but forgot to include in the first post. Technically, you don't see it with insight potion, but I guess I shouldn't use it.
Haven't thought a lot about EG - I'll try to experiment with speed boosting. You can kill him in melee, I guess, but I'll probably use pets on him. 1 from DH with 7 doors around should do the trick.

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Originally Posted by gut

EDIT: about passing the EG, how will you do that without tp ctrl?

Would the monk ability to switch with hostiles work?

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Originally Posted by gut

EDIT: about passing the EG, how will you do that without tp ctrl?

Kill him while he is on stairs. That stops respawning.

killing him on the stairs is impossible :D

jharod scum for sure, then it is possible

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Originally Posted by gut

killing him on the stairs is impossible :D

Really?...

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Originally Posted by _Ln_

So, I recently got this idea (which I'm sure was already used)

I recall lurking such a challenge thread here :)

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- A number of classes cannot be used. These include: assassin (=Pois)

That'd be stretching the definition of intrinsic a little. The Assassin's poison immunity doesn't show up as such from insight/Revelation/death, and cannot be granted by any item. As far as I'm concerned, it is a class power and should be permissible - so should regeneration. Winning is still going to be a bitch even with both ;)

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- No crowning, no piety for multiple prayers

I understand no crowning, but why can't you raise your piety as long as you don't get any luck intrinsics? To "very pleased" to get holy water, for example.

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- ToEF will be a complete disaster.

That's the first thing that came to my mind when reading. Better have lots of healing around, specially for TF:4 where you can't teleport and have to, well, kill the ACW. I'm thinking of farming spenseweeds and pepper petals (and morgia, you'll need extra To), if your character has Herbalism.

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- No BDC, so that actually crosses out Sting&Needle, damn it. It's probably possible, but you have to be really-really superlucky with monster generation. Maybe stock on Death Ray with a wizard, but still scary as hell.

Dragons up to ancient kind (non-inclusive) can't see invisible. With an invis source, magic mapping, luck with teleportation and a wish for speed, it might be feasible.

Can't you give the guardian the ring of the high kings? I seem to remember this worked, but I'm not sure. If not, at somewhat high level with dual shields and a tonne of acid ball, you should be able to take him out on the stairs. Pretty much all problems in this game can be solved with acid ball.

I think biggest hurdle is the Tower. You could use the Bug Temple magic map scrolls if you don't find enough, and if you bring in like 10000 blessed spenseweeds, you might be able to make it through okay. Unfortunately, I think this would probably rule out drakes for the challenge. The last thing you need is more damage in the Tower. Fire breath without resistance can actually do lots of damage too...

I don't think BDC is in the cards. An ancient dragon or a wyrm can deal 500 damage per hit with breath attacks. Better just to use missiles or spells in the endgame, IMHO, and forget about Needle/Sting. Or a mace of destruction or penetrating weapon or something. Honestly, I'm not sure why you're even considering a non-caster for this.

[edit]Oh, and hope you have corruption removal if you get the teleport corruption...

[edit2]What happens if you get cursed by an annis hag? Shift-Q?

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Originally Posted by JellySlayer

Oh, and hope you have corruption removal if you get the teleport corruption...

Yes, this is probably "remove ASAP or shift-Q". Regen corruption is ok I guess.

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Originally Posted by anon123

I recall lurking such a challenge thread here :)

That'd be stretching the definition of intrinsic a little. The Assassin's poison immunity doesn't show up as such from insight/Revelation/death, and cannot be granted by any item. As far as I'm concerned, it is a class power and should be permissible - so should regeneration. Winning is still going to be a bitch even with both ;)

I understand no crowning, but why can't you raise your piety as long as you don't get any luck intrinsics? To "very pleased" to get holy water, for example.

That's the first thing that came to my mind when reading. Better have lots of healing around, specially for TF:4 where you can't teleport and have to, well, kill the ACW. I'm thinking of farming spenseweeds and pepper petals (and morgia, you'll need extra To), if your character has Herbalism.

Dragons up to ancient kind (non-inclusive) can't see invisible. With an invis source, magic mapping, luck with teleportation and a wish for speed, it might be feasible.

I said for multiple prayers, of course I want holy water. What I'll be using to bless spenseweed with? ;)

And you can say "feasible" to my lvl50 wizard, who changed a crown of lightning for crystal helmet with confuse resist without understanding that it will remove =Elec (didn't have -Elec resistance for some reason). He was toast in 1 turn. Mind you, there weren't nor Srararxrxrxr (or whatever is his name) neither wyrms in vicinity, I just thought I'll need confusion resist for near future. I literally stared at the screen for a couple of minutes trying to understand what the hell happened.

Edit: Ah, finally remembered to ask. How exactly one dies of pneumonia? Is it continious damage on D:49 or you die instantly without cold resist?

Continuous damage I think. It isn't too bad. You'll also take lightning damage in Air Temple, of course.

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What I'll be using to bless spenseweed with?

Considering the size of the pile you may want, probably scrolls of repair is better.

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Originally Posted by JellySlayer

Can't you give the guardian the ring of the high kings? I seem to remember this worked, but I'm not sure.

Sadly, he only refuses to take the ring. Putting it in the missile or either melee slots, then 'C'hatting, doesn't work either. So killing him seems to be the only choice. There was a trick where you deliberately spawned duplicates of the eternal guardian, made them fight each other via alarm traps, then kill the (weakened) winner yourself. That might be useful.

Other things that might help...

The Bless spell will give a little non-intrinsic luck. It's not the same as having +Luck +Fate from piety and the ankh, obviously.
You can duplicate +WBre without intrinsics, using rings of the fish. In case you have any troublesome rivers, or want to raid the WDL.

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[edit]Oh, and hope you have corruption removal if you get the teleport corruption...

Seconded. Uncontrolled teleportitis is Frustrating with a big F.

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[edit2]What happens if you get cursed by an annis hag? Shift-Q?

Hags and karmics should be treated carefully. If you get the former in melee range, or hit a karmic lizard accidentally, it's probably game over.

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Originally Posted by JellySlayer

I don't think BDC is in the cards. An ancient dragon or a wyrm can deal 500 damage per hit with breath attacks.

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Originally Posted by _Ln_

And you can say "feasible" to my lvl50 wizard, who changed a crown of lightning for crystal helmet with confuse resist without understanding that it will remove =Elec (didn't have -Elec resistance for some reason). He was toast in 1 turn.

Alright, I didn't know lightning caused so much damage without resistance. You should have had the elemental gauntlets on, though.

A drakeling with alertness would be good for the tower. The overheating damage is nothing compared to the raw fire damage without any resistance, and alertness makes a big difference to ignoring bolts. Ventriloquism also helps disable many dangerous enemies. I wonder if it could be used to shift the EG...? In any case there may be ways to use the ring on him without getting the intrinsic.

Alright, another archer.

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Random scroll of education -> +Athletics, awesome! Found a couple of spellbooks, learned Frost Bolt. Waldy bought Remove Curse book for 8000gp. Is it really so good?
Scroll shop on PC:1, nice patches of herbs (somewhat improved by me) to push To to 16. Also got a moss stack, need uncursing scroll.
BTW, 26 Le was from the start, haven't munched oracle yet. I kinda love 7 skill increases per level.

Meanwhile, a random thought - no source of see invisible whatsoever means a tricky cat lord and somewhat tricky archmage. Maybe I shouldn't slaughter any cat mercilessly.

EDIT: Scratch it. Got a GEE from DH, decided to clear Dwarftown a bit -> alarm ring as soon as GEE shot a stupid child and I ended up cursed. Argh.

you got cursed from the elemental attacking a child? I didn't know that could happen.

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Waldy bought Remove Curse book for 8000gp. Is it really so good?

I've seen Barnabas ask many times more for that book. It is pretty nice in the early game, since for a bookcasting wizard, it acts as an infinitely reusable scroll of uncursing. You can put on unidentified armor and just uncurse it if it's harmful, or know which one of those three unIDed stacks of water is blessed (the spell will work on cursed items and those only, even if the B/U/C status was unknown).

Sadly it's one of the more rare spells, and it becomes less awesome once you have a few dozens of blessed uncursing scrolls.

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BTW, 26 Le was from the start, haven't munched oracle yet.

Of course not, that'd curse and doom you. 26 Le is pretty impressive though, I guess it was a gray elf?

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Meanwhile, a random thought - no source of see invisible whatsoever means a tricky cat lord and somewhat tricky archmage. Maybe I shouldn't slaughter any cat mercilessly.

You can abuse the invisible 'n'aming bug to know where they are.

Later edit: you can also throw potions of visibility to make the Archmage visible for a few dozen turns. A peaceful cat lord can be found via wand/scroll of monster detection, and approached with two shields.

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Originally Posted by gut

you got cursed from the elemental attacking a child? I didn't know that could happen.

I'm also surprised. I once made DT hostile by commanding a greater earth elemental to murder people too, but I was pickpocketing the dwarves first, so I thought that might have been the cause.

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Originally Posted by Grey

Ventriloquism also helps disable many dangerous enemies. I wonder if it could be used to shift the EG...?

It can. Although i would still prefer to be wizzard and try to tp him out.

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Originally Posted by anon123

I've seen Barnabas ask many times more for that book. It is pretty nice in the early game, since for a bookcasting wizard, it acts as an infinitely reusable scroll of uncursing. You can put on unidentified armor and just uncurse it if it's harmful, or know which one of those three unIDed stacks of water is blessed (the spell will work on cursed items and those only, even if the B/U/C status was unknown).

Sadly it's one of the more rare spells, and it becomes less awesome once you have a few dozens of blessed uncursing scrolls.

Of course not, that'd curse and doom you. 26 Le is pretty impressive though, I guess it was a gray elf?

You can abuse the invisible 'n'aming bug to know where they are.

Later edit: you can also throw potions of visibility to make the Archmage visible for a few dozen turns. A peaceful cat lord can be found via wand/scroll of monster detection, and approached with two shields.

I'm also surprised. I once made DT hostile by commanding a greater earth elemental to murder people too, but I was pickpocketing the dwarves first, so I thought that might have been the cause.

Heh, I hope would have remembered about cursedoom from oracle.

I'm pretty sure children are a special case. They sometimes do that, and I feel stupid for not rememering it. Maybe it' triggered by missile kill, don't know. And you don't get hostile town, only shopkeep, who summons thugs. I think cursed actually comes from "shoplifting" this way.

Absolutely going to kill cat lord for xp. It's not like I need the ring.

Got back to Delven archer I had from some time, was going pretty good. Found a bookshop, restocked it, got some neat spellbooks. Went to a level with herbs and started reading all my books.

Reading Create Item (I guessed it'd be a good boost to Literacy and Le) - spellbook drained my health from 160 to -60hp. Wow, just wow. I didn't even know such things could happen. Not having -Fate to save you with 1hp kinda sucks :(

Hey, was wondering what happened to this challenge. Nice to see you haven't given up!

The higher spells are very dangerous, even for spellcasters if you aren't experienced enough. Ask the level 1 wizard that starts with a book of Wish and tries to read it...

I'm not sure Fate smiles would have helped here, since it protects from critical hits - unless the high emotional shock counts :)

What about deafness? Is it treated as intrinsic if I plug my ears?
If not, I can roll a wiz with 25 Le & Ma and make a laguna cage in animated forest to farm spellbooks and breeze through the rest of the game.
No intrinsics required for that. I've had games before where I did not score a single mark in weapon skills and just relied on spells, that pretty much excludes the option of being cursed by monsters.
Also I don't normally commit chaotic acts like robing shops/killing non-hostile npcs, so another source of risk removed.
What about regeneration? Is it ok to wear 2 rings of regen, ammy of rapid healing, bracers and crown of regeneration? After all they don't grant intrinsics, just give a boost to otherwise normal game elements.
Another thing: ring of ice. It doesn't grant any intrinsics, last I remember. Just protection for worn equipment, same as blankets for inventory (so actually the items get a =fire intrinsic, not the PC), so it's ok to have it in the ToEF to protect regen items?
I'm very much interested in this challenge, once the above questions are answered, I will roll the character.

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What about deafness? Is it treated as intrinsic if I plug my ears?
If not, I can roll a wiz with 25 Le & Ma and make a laguna cage in animated forest to farm spellbooks and breeze through the rest of the game.
No intrinsics required for that. I've had games before where I did not score a single mark in weapon skills and just relied on spells, that pretty much excludes the option of being cursed by monsters.
Also I don't normally commit chaotic acts like robing shops/killing non-hostile npcs, so another source of risk removed.
What about regeneration? Is it ok to wear 2 rings of regen, ammy of rapid healing, bracers and crown of regeneration? After all they don't grant intrinsics, just give a boost to otherwise normal game elements.
Another thing: ring of ice. It doesn't grant any intrinsics, last I remember. Just protection for worn equipment, same as blankets for inventory (so actually the items get a =fire intrinsic, not the PC), so it's ok to have it in the ToEF to protect regen items?
I'm very much interested in this challenge, once the above questions are answered, I will roll the character.

Deafness is ok, rings of ice are ok. Regen items are not allowed.

OK then I'm glad wizards start with herbalism, cause there will be tales about that huge spense farm in big room.

EDIT: Yay for the lucky roll - 23 starting Le, 25 Ma, 2 spellbooks of acid ball, 1 spellbook of teleportation.
7LB dropped in the Bugville at level 10. Here's some nice info regarding this promising char:

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Gauntlets : - Boots : blessed seven league boots [+0, +0] [30s] Missile weapon: normal short bow (+3, +2) [20s] Missiles : bundle of 35 normal arrows (+0, 1d6) [70s] Tool : heap of 41 blessed spenseweeds [82s] Total weight: 524 stones Carrying capacity: 28300 stones Armor ('[') normal ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8} [60s] Necklaces (''') normal ankh [3s] Tools (']') heap of 2 normal waterproof blankets [20s] normal round key [1s] Wands ('\') normal wand of digging (2 charges) [3s] Potions ('!') heap of 2 potions of holy water [8s] normal potion of exchange [4s] normal potion of confusion [2s] normal potion of booze [4s] blessed potion of booze [4s] blessed potion of confusion [2s] cursed potion of ultra healing [2s] normal potion of healing [4s] blessed potion of cure corruption [2s] cursed potion of carrot juice [4s] normal potion of water [4s] normal potion of poison [4s] Scrolls ('?') normal scroll of identify [2s] heap of 2 normal scrolls of item detection [4s] normal scroll of magic mapping [2s] normal scroll of charging [2s] Food ('%') heap of 2 normal stomafillia herbs [4s] heap of 12 blessed stomafillia herbs [24s] heap of 5 cursed stomafillia herbs [10s] heap of 9 blessed moss patches of mareilon [18s] heap of 18 blessed alraunia antidotes [36s] heap of 14 blessed curaria mancox herbs [28s] heap of 16 normal spenseweeds [32s] heap of 28 blessed cooked lizards [84s] Valuables ('$') 14721 gold pieces [147s] 459 monsters perished under her attacks. The following monsters were vanquished: 1 dark elven lord 3 dark elven priestesses 1 dark elven princess 2 displacer beasts 2 dopplegangers 1 eye of destruction 6 fire beetles 2 fire lizards 1 fire vortex 37 greater claw bugs 1 greater mummy 1 green hag 1 karmic lizard 15 killer bugs 1 least daemon 1 magebane eye 1 margoyle 1 mummy lord She survived for 0 years, 12 days, 0 hours, 25 minutes and 13 seconds (11612 turns). Noint visited 26 places. Her strength score was modified by +3 during her career. Her willpower score was modified by +7 during her career. Her dexterity score was modified by +5 during her career. Her toughness score was modified by +7 during her career. Her charisma score was modified by +1 during her career. Her appearance score was modified by +1 during her career. Her mana score was modified by +3 during her career. Her perception score was modified by +2 during her career.

3 herb levels in UD helped a LOT since I had 96 herbalism already after leaving bugville at lvl 13.
Then 2 more levels in CoC (including big room) hence some To, Dx and Wi increases.
Other than that I don't really know why I did the pyramid, guess old habbits die hard.
7LB were blessed when they dropped - you can imagine hw much help those have been.
Very lucky stairhopping for spellbooks - got what I needed in less than 10 minutes.
2 vaults, one in UD, one in CoC yielded some random items, including ring of ice, ring of speed and a few others.
As for the talents - treasure hunter and greased lightning plus prerequisites of course. Also potent aura.
Another thing - I've met quite a few monsters that are capable of giving me some intrinsics one way or another, luckily no physical contact took place.
Of course fire monsters consistently dropped corpses, even without food preservation, just to tempt me.
Let me know if anything that I have or use is not allowed in this challenge and I will gladly switch to normal game since this is such a promising char ;)

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3 herb levels in UD helped a LOT since I had 96 herbalism already after leaving bugville at lvl 13.
Then 2 more levels in CoC (including big room) hence some To, Dx and Wi increases.
Other than that I don't really know why I did the pyramid, guess old habbits die hard.
7LB were blessed when they dropped - you can imagine hw much help those have been.
Very lucky stairhopping for spellbooks - got what I needed in less than 10 minutes.
2 vaults, one in UD, one in CoC yielded some random items, including ring of ice, ring of speed and a few others.
As for the talents - treasure hunter and greased lightning plus prerequisites of course. Also potent aura.
Another thing - I've met quite a few monsters that are capable of giving me some intrinsics one way or another, luckily no physical contact took place.
Of course fire monsters consistently dropped corpses, even without food preservation, just to tempt me.
Let me know if anything that I have or use is not allowed in this challenge and I will gladly switch to normal game since this is such a promising char ;)

Can't see anything wrong about equipment. I'm surprised you took a GElven one - without Alertness the game will be pretty risky. I experienced how much damage different guys can do with breath/spell attack, so watch out for that.

I'll probably find this out the hard way. Also I'm counting on some scrolls or potions of education to grant me that skill, but to be honest I simply didn't think about it.
Somehow I never considered the lack of this skill to be a problem for my caster chars, but then again I usually have resistances or immunities to most kinds of magic attacks.
Well this might prove to be interesting regardless.

EDIT: Dead.

DH1, booby trapped door. Went from 79 HP to -17. Guess next time, every door in DH or the whole CoC is going to be opened exclusively via knock spell.
A shame though, I finished griffyard quest just minutes before, got quite a few decent items and were on my way to banshee.
So far this was all perfectly manageable, the only real issue being lack of teleport control, when blink dogs spawned on at least 3 levels in different caves, just to tease me.

Decided to give this a try. Well, with archers and wizards dying left and right ought to be some decent challenge.

Well, here goes some preparational work:

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---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Character Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kae St:18 Le:18 Wi:25 Dx:27 To:29 Ch: 6 Ap:15 Ma:30 Pe:22 C DV/PV: 69/24 H: 63(165) P: 190(190) Exp: 14/123021 M: 35972 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Background Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Kae Race: female Dark Elf Class: Wizard Eye color: amber Hair color: white Complexion: black Height: 5'3" Weight: 97 pounds Age: 131 (grown-up) Star sign: Raven Birthday: 24/Raven (day 24 of the year) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Weapon Skills ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks --------------------- --- --- --- -- ------------- -------------- Unarmed fighting 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 29 Daggers & knives 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 23 Clubs & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30 Maces & flails 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30 Swords 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30 Axes 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30 Whips 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30 Pole arms 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30 Twohanded weapons 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30 Staves 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30 Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks --------------------- --- --- --- -- ------------- -------------- Slings 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14 Bows 6 +12 +9 +2 skilled 155 Crossbows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14 Thrown axes & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14 Thrown daggers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14 Thrown rocks & clubs 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14 Thrown spears 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14 Boomerangs & scurgari 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14 Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks --------------------- --- --- ------------- -------------- Shields 4 +8 skilled 161 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spells - got book shop in PC, would i know that would have chosen to be healer.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Acid Bolt : 335, 9pp (Effectivity: +15) Burning Hands : 699, 5pp (Effectivity: +13) Calm Monster : 524, 7pp (Effectivity: +0) Cure Disease : 829, 7pp (Effectivity: +2) Cure Serious Wounds: 639, 8pp (Effectivity: +0) Darkness : 992, 4pp (Effectivity: +1) Disarm Trap : 374, 8pp (Effectivity: +0) Farsight : 434, 14pp (Effectivity: +3) Fire Bolt : 693, 5pp (Effectivity: +16) Fireball : 217, 16pp (Effectivity: +3) Frost Bolt : 947, 8pp (Effectivity: +11) Invisibility : 681, 8pp (Effectivity: +3) Knock : 428, 9pp (Effectivity: +7) Know Alignment : 443, 8pp (Effectivity: +0) Light : 1022, 3pp (Effectivity: +3) Magic Lock : 801, 7pp (Effectivity: +2) Magic Missile : 693, 5pp (Effectivity: +12) Remove Curse : 723, 40pp (Effectivity: +4) Revelation : 421, 27pp (Effectivity: +3) Slow Monster : 660, 6pp (Effectivity: +0) Slow Poison : 328, 5pp (Effectivity: +0) Strength of Atlas : 162, 7pp (Effectivity: +6) Teleportation : 385, 18pp (Effectivity: +3) [have like four extra books stashed - it was raining in teleport books recently.] Web : 453, 10pp (Effectivity: +0) Alchemy ..............100 (superb) [+2d4] [PoGA is made from pot of corruption....] Alertness ............ 75 (great) [+1d3] Climbing ............. 43 (fair) [+2d4] Concentration ........100 (superb) [+2d4] Detect traps ......... 33 (fair) [+3d3] Find weakness ........ 16 (mediocre) [+3d5] First aid ............ 33 (fair) [+3d3] Haggling ............. 19 (mediocre) [+3d5] Healing .............. 89 (great) [+1d3] Herbalism ............ 80 (great) [+3d3] Listening ............ 73 (great) [+1d5] Literacy .............100 (superb) [+2d4] Pick pockets ......... 55 (good) [+1d5] Stealth .............. 76 (great) [+1d3] Ventriloquism ........ 42 (fair) [+2d4] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Inventory ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Total weight: 4553 stones Carrying capacity: 31950 stones [sweet spell that is:)] Head : uncursed metal cap [+0, +1] [50s] Neck : - Body : uncursed elven chain mail [+0, +5] [10s] Girdle : uncursed metal girdle [+0, +1] [25s] Cloak : uncursed cloak of protection [+0, +3] [20s] Right Hand : uncursed large adamantium shield (-1) [+9, +3] [86s] Left Hand : uncursed medium crystal shield [+9, +4] [160s] Right Ring : - Left Ring : - Bracers : uncursed bracers of toughness [+0, +0] {To+4} [10s] Gauntlets : uncursed gloves (+1, -1) [+0, +2] [6s] Boots : uncursed sandals [+0, +0] [6s] Missile weapon: uncursed short bow (+4, +0) [20s] Missiles : bundle of 7 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6) [14s] Tool : heap of 37 blessed moss patches of mareilon [74s] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- uncursed clothes of power [+0, +0] [40s] uncursed light cloak [+4, +0] [20s] cloak of protection [+0, +3] [20s] blessed girdle of carrying [+0, +0] [15s] uncursed amulet of perseverance {Wi+6} [3s] uncursed pendant of mana {Ma+2} [3s] uncursed fireproof blanket [10s] uncursed waterproof blanket [10s] uncursed ring of gain attribute {St+1} [1s] uncursed wedding ring [1s] uncursed wand of stunning (3 charges) [3s] uncursed wand of poison (4 charges) [3s] marble wand [3s] uncursed potion of learning [should have drunk ages ago] uncursed potion of cure corruption [2s] blessed scroll of peace [2s] uncursed scroll of magic mapping [2s] heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of protection [4s] uncursed scroll of repair [2s] 6522 gold pieces [byproduct of herbalism sold bunch of antidotes at village, nearly forgot how much DE suck money wise] 1060 monsters perished under her attacks. She survived for 0 years, 28 days, 1 hour, 56 minutes and 56 seconds (35972 turns). Kae visited 45 places. Her strength score was modified by +9 during her career. Her learning score was modified by +1 during her career. Her willpower score was modified by +4 during her career. Her dexterity score was modified by +7 during her career. Her toughness score was modified by +12 during her career. Her appearance score was modified by +1 during her career. Her mana score was modified by +9 during her career. Her perception score was modified by +5 during her career. She was a member of the thieves guild.

Currently using sickness training in ogre cave. Damn i miss stomacemptia so much... these ogres are all lined up in Waldenbrook's store....

Extra question:
Is it okay to wear mental stability ring? IIRc, it does not add intrinsic directly.

Doesn't it add confusion resistance?

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Originally Posted by JellySlayer

Doesn't it add confusion resistance?

indeed. I thought it was on clear mind ring only.

Tosses ring into "sell to non dwarves pile".

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Kae St:18 Le:21 Wi:38 Dx:33 To:30 Ch: 6 Ap:15 Ma:32 Pe:22 C DV/PV: 81/18 H: 108(272) P: 167(337) Exp: 21/877259 DrCh Sp: 119 Invisible Satiated Coward M: 52232 Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks --------------------- --- --- --- -- ------------- -------------- Bows 7 +14 +10 +2 skilled 429 Crossbows 4 +8 +6 +1 skilled 33 Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks --------------------- --- --- ------------- -------------- Shields 5 +10 skilled 183 Acid Ball : 423, 21pp (Effectivity: +3) Acid Bolt : 852, 7pp (Effectivity: +22) Burning Hands : 143, 4pp (Effectivity: +22) Calm Monster : 1648, 5pp (Effectivity: +0) Cure Critical Wounds: 677, 9pp (Effectivity: +0) Cure Disease : 806, 5pp (Effectivity: +3) Cure Serious Wounds : 533, 6pp (Effectivity: +4) Darkness : 1845, 3pp (Effectivity: +2) Death Ray : 406, 60pp (Effectivity: +0) Disarm Trap : 374, 6pp (Effectivity: +0) Farsight : 420, 11pp (Effectivity: +4) Fire Bolt : 478, 5pp (Effectivity: +21) Fireball : 351, 11pp (Effectivity: +5) Frost Bolt : 995, 6pp (Effectivity: +12) Invisibility : 638, 5pp (Effectivity: +6) Knock : 740, 7pp (Effectivity: +7) Know Alignment : 442, 6pp (Effectivity: +0) Light : 1894, 2pp (Effectivity: +3) Lightning Bolt : 694, 8pp (Effectivity: +1) Magic Lock : 778, 5pp (Effectivity: +3) Magic Map : 715, 24pp (Effectivity: +3) Magic Missile : 950, 4pp (Effectivity: +12) Neutralize Poison : 514, 6pp (Effectivity: +0) Remove Curse : 700, 29pp (Effectivity: +5) Revelation : 397, 20pp (Effectivity: +4) Scare Monster : 727, 8pp (Effectivity: +0) Slow Monster : 934, 5pp (Effectivity: +1) Slow Poison : 328, 4pp (Effectivity: +0) Strength of Atlas : 1281, 5pp (Effectivity: +9) Stun Ray : 1184, 4pp (Effectivity: +8) Summon Monsters : 685, 18pp (Effectivity: +0) Teleportation : 1228, 13pp (Effectivity: +6) Web : 723, 8pp (Effectivity: +0) Alchemy ..................100 (superb) [+2d4] Alertness ................ 93 (superb) [+1d3] Backstabbing ............. 4 (poor) [+3d5] Climbing ................. 44 (fair) [+2d4] Concentration ............100 (superb) [+2d4] Detect traps ............. 54 (good) [+1d5] Find weakness ............ 45 (fair) [+2d4] First aid ................ 33 (fair) [+3d3] Haggling ................. 19 (mediocre) [+3d5] Healing ..................100 (superb) [+1d3] Herbalism ................ 94 (superb) [+3d4] Listening ................ 92 (superb) [+3d3] Literacy .................100 (superb) [+2d4] Pick pockets ............. 56 (good) [+1d5] Stealth ..................100 (superb) [+1d3] Tactics .................. 47 (fair) [+1d3] Two weapon combat ........ 72 (great) [+1] Ventriloquism ............ 42 (fair) [+3d3] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Inventory ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Total weight: 6597 stones Carrying capacity: 33950 stones Head : - Neck : - Body : uncursed elven chain mail [+0, +5] [10s] Girdle : - Cloak : - Right Hand : uncursed large adamantium shield (-1) [+9, +3] [86s] Left Hand : uncursed medium crystal shield [+9, +4] [160s] Right Ring : - Left Ring : - Bracers : - Gauntlets : - Boots : - Missile weapon: - Missiles : - Tool : uncursed Chaos Orb of Elemental Water {Wi+10} [100s] jet-black glaive [also sold 13s dagger from surge of power] Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire ----- sweet:)

Well, i guess Kae will feel like burnt steak thrown into pool of healing solution for quite a time, but at least i've got it done. At mere cost of 9 extrahealing potions and some spenseweed.
Thank you RNG for giving me Acid ball spell.

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Originally Posted by Soirana

jet-black glaive [also sold 13s dagger from surge of power]

That's normal for such challenges, I guess :)
How much damage in ToEF with 0 sources, btw? I've decided to give a bard a go, and she's doing ok right now.

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Originally Posted by _Ln_

That's normal for such challenges, I guess :)
How much damage in ToEF with 0 sources, btw? I've decided to give a bard a go, and she's doing ok right now.

~10hp per turn. Strangely there were some turns with no reduction at all. Nothing big heap of blessed spenseweed could not handle, but in theory healer with book shop is probably best option.

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That's normal for such challenges, I guess

Add whirlwing and preserwer to that list.... Preserver on wizarde no that is painful....

Ah well, managed to get electrocuted in air temple by not paying attention... One of these moments than you start thinking ahead and suddenly, yeah...

Never liked wizzards anyway, but in general challenge is totally doable --- so good luck.

yes, totally doable. it is just coincidence that it has killed everyone so far, including soirana. pure coincidence

if I didn't hate adom so much, I'd...

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Originally Posted by gut

yes, totally doable. it is just coincidence that it has killed everyone so far, including soirana. pure coincidence

if I didn't hate adom so much, I'd...

It is tedious and doesn't interest me, but if i can get towards air temple on first try, shrugs.

Optimally i guess would be roll gnomish healers and put them through PC+UD untill you get book shop. Healer's casting [at some point you need to have farsight and invisibilty constantly on] and HP would get job done.

Personally I'd prefer to finish head hunter instead. Same amount of tediousness but at least is interesting for me.

Edit: okay, just rolled gnomish healer with book shop [Acid ball, Teleportation, Stun ray, etc...]at PC1. Sure char stats suck and shopkeeper is orc, but ought to do. Once i return home since playing on laptop sucks.

Finally did this, except not really.

Rolled a delven bard, did some early games, than entertained myself in some gremlin pickpocketing. Pickpocketed 2 aols, BoW, Whirlwind and Preserver in short notice and a couple RoDS. But I continued for a bit for some scrolls + potions.

Done ToEF with little trouble and then screwed up disastrously. Wished for AKW, killed for xp. Before the final dive sacced 1gp. Unfortunately, levelling gave me piety and hello accidental Lucky. Couldn't remove with cursed ?ofLuck, nor with ?ofIllFate. Added cursed to normalize the situation. Pissed of went to kill the rest, ventured in Air temple with all gear and lost 7lb and other buffed with scrolls stuff. Meh.

Cleared d:50, healing myself with AoLS once, then noticed uncursed PoEH which solved healing problems.
Managed to remove luck with karmic lizards summoned by a balor on D:50, removed cursed with a scroll.

Didn't really care for the Pc, so meleed bosses with some potions of confusion. Luckily Nuurag didn't zap me with death rays.
Eternal guardian helplessly was kicked by killer bug in 3 turns. Bug ended up "slightly injured". High King must be proud.

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She scored 11931056 points and advanced to level 50. She survived for 0 years, 60 days, 22 hours, 10 minutes and 56 seconds (107715 turns). 27 companions were killed during her adventures. Simple visited 95 places. Her strength score was modified by +31 during her career. Her learning score was modified by +37 during her career. Her willpower score was modified by +32 during her career. Her dexterity score was modified by +40 during her career. Her toughness score was modified by +37 during her career. Her charisma score was modified by +35 during her career. Her appearance score was modified by +26 during her career. Her mana score was modified by +29 during her career. Her perception score was modified by +19 during her career. She was unnaturally aged by 7 years. She was the champion of the arena. She was a member of the thieves guild. She saved Khelavaster from certain death. She left the Drakalor Chain after completing her quest and became a great leader and famous heroine. 2260 monsters perished under her attacks. The following 21 artifacts were generated during her adventure: the si the scythe of corruption "Moon Sickle" the golden gladius "Death's Sting" the Chaos Orb of Elemental Water the Chaos Orb of Elemental Air the Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire the Chaos Orb of Elemental Earth the lead-filled mace "Big Punch" the elemental gauntlets the phial of Caladriel the crown of science the hammer of the gods the glaive "Long Sting" the bracers of war the Chaos Orb of Elemental Mana the rune-covered sling "Whirlwind" the fine leather armor "Nature's Companion" the robes of resistance the sapphire amulet "Preserver" the crown of leadership the dwarven pick axe "Hammerhead" She had the following talents: Alert, Beast of Burden, Boon to the Family, Charming, Extremely Hardy, Good Shot, Greased Lightning, Hardy, Heir, Immune to Pain, Iron Skin, Keen Shot, Master Packager, Porter, Quick, Quick Shot, Steel Skin, Tough Skin, Very Hardy, Very Quick. She had a final speed score of 121 (final base speed: 132). She cheated Death once. She was a paragon of her religion. She did not ask for divine help. She was neutrally aligned.