I don't know hey, daggers are pretty powerful.

What? Daggers? Powerful?

Eternium dagger is 2d4+7. Eternium spear is 2d8+8, not to mention difference in DV.

Dagger of death is 5d5+2. Sword of sharpness is 4d8+6. Mace of destruction is 5d6+6.

Bloody dagger is 2d3+6. Whip of slaughtering is 1d30.

Serpent's bite is 3d4+3. Executor is 5d6+6. Kinslayer 4d5+3. Skullcrusher is 3d6+2. Purifier is 4d5+5. Cat's claw... let's not remember it.

You call this powerful? I call this pitiful. And that's only one-handers.

Twins are only accessible in a very late game. After Sharad-Waador, exactly.

Phase daggers are cool, and bloodies have extra crits. Still, I support the idea of them having higher crits in general.

Serpent's bite is one of the best weapons in the game (though not guaranteed, certainly), with its +crit rate, poisoning and humanoid slaying. One of few things better is executor (also not guaranteed..), but many weapons pale in comparison.

In general, though, you are right.

I don't recall ever having problems slaying creatures with the daggers an Assassin collects along his way. Hence in my opinion they are pretty powerful.

Serpent's bite is good as humanoid-slayer. But it's the weakest af all slayers. And I had a choice once between it and eternium spear of devastation (it's 6d8+14). Don't say you would chose dagger.

Huh? Of course I would pick the dagger. It slays and poisons.

Its criticals only scratched the horde of chaos servants on D:50. And spear killed them successfully.

Both are pretty powerful. I'll probably switch depending on opponent and try to keep my dagger training going for the twins.

Daggers are the only good weapon to dual wield because of their low weight. Serpent's Bite is a great artifact, very high crit rate even on non-humanoids. If you have decent strength, the low raw damage is not much of a problem. Bloody daggers score an amazing 50% crits. And don't forget phase daggers.

Serpent's Bite is far from the weakest of all slayers. You are forgetting that the majority of monsters in game are humanoid (including many demons like balor, and I think, GM). You are also neglecting the incredible ~+30% crit rate it has, making it better than most other humanoid slayers. Eternium spear of devastation is certainly much much rarer than serpent's bite, so I'm not sure it's a valid comparison (otherwise why not just compare it to a murderous eternium two-handed sword of devastation or something ridiculous). And not to mention the poison which is beyond incredibly useful for things like boss fights (that Nuurgy guy...)

+30% crit rate doesn't matter for fighting humanoids... With slaying weapon you have 100% crit rate against that type of monster anyway. Against non-humanoids, Serpent's Bite is pretty marginal for damage--a bloody dagger with decent stats has better damage output, as does a typical higher-metal two-hander or Big Punch.

I'd say that Skullcrusher and Kinslayer are both probably not as good as Serpent's Bite though, but that's just me.

Yes, of course, JS :) Didn't mean to imply otherwise.

Increased the backstabbing multiplier.