Make exploration mode truly free
issueid=4019 11-18-2015 06:42 PM
The Creator
Number of reported issues by adom-admin: 468
Make exploration mode truly free

People have been complaining about the limited number of wishes in exploration mode, see e.g.: http://steamcommunity.com/app/333300...scn=1447808443

I'll increase the number of wishes to 666 :-)
Issue Details
Issue Number 4019
Issue Type Feature
Project ADOM (Ancient Domains Of Mystery)
Category All
Status Implemented
Priority 1 - Highest
Suggested Version ADOM r61
Implemented Version (none)
Milestone Potential work pipeline
Votes for this feature 2
Votes against this feature 0
Assigned Users adom-admin
Tags (none)




11-18-2015 06:51 PM
Junior Member
#3582 can be closed now as a duplicate.

11-18-2015 10:47 PM
Junior Member
I'd like to further suggest an increase to 777. That number indicates luck (jackpot!) and works as a stealth reference to the Casino with the added benefit that it won't offend anyone. Wishes are meant to be a good thing, after all ;)

This petition for a change to Suggested was accepted
11-19-2015 06:35 AM
ixi ixi is offline
Junior Member
Quote Originally Posted by Kelibath
I'd like to further suggest an increase to 777. That number indicates luck (jackpot!) and works as a stealth reference to the Casino with the added benefit that it won't offend anyone. Wishes are meant to be a good thing, after all ;)
My support for this too. I don't care much about this number myself (and this mode) but some of my friends would be offended or even frightened so that they unlikely would play ADOM further.
 

11-19-2015 07:21 AM
The Creator
Seriously? 666 offends people? I'm ... speechless.

Ok, we are back to 42 :-)

11-19-2015 07:29 AM
Senior Member
don't tell them about the greater daemons

11-19-2015 07:54 AM
Ancient Member
Playing in this mode is something demonic so I think 666 is appropriate.

I won't complain about the answer to the great question of life, the universe and everything, though.

11-19-2015 10:00 AM
Junior Member
Quote Originally Posted by adom-admin
Seriously? 666 offends people? I'm ... speechless.

Ok, we are back to 42 :-)
Nowadays with the rise of political correctness, people are offended by ANY thing. No matter what you do, someone will get offended by it.

As for the topic - 500-1000+ charges sounds good to me.

11-19-2015 12:54 PM
Senior Member
There are definitely some people who are upset by the number 666. However...

- Very few, if any of them, will be roguelike gamers. They tend not to be the kind of geeky critical thinkers that this type of game attracts.
- I really don't care if these people do get upset.

...all the same, I must grudgingly admit that this is a valid if very minor concern. Even if my attitude would be 'to hell with them' - literally in this case. :)

11-19-2015 01:21 PM
ixi ixi is offline
Junior Member
Quote Originally Posted by adom-admin
Seriously? 666 offends people?
Yep, they're. Some of them giving to much meaning to numbers. 3 and 12 are just good numbers. 42 is an answer :), 777 is jackpot, 13 is unlucky number (e.g. how much of your friends wouldn't buy a flat with number 13?) but 666 is a very ChAOtIc CorRUpTiNG dEMoniC number, it's better to avoid completely or show it only in a very chaotic late-game areas with a possibility to defeat source of it.

11-19-2015 01:34 PM
ixi ixi is offline
Junior Member
Quote Originally Posted by shockeroo
- Very few, if any of them, will be roguelike gamers. They tend not to be the kind of geeky critical thinkers that this type of game attracts.
- I really don't care if these people do get upset.
I know at least one girl. She plays roguelike games from time to time. She tried ADOM and she likes NotEye version. She would use exploration mode. The only thing she ignores in ADOM completly and doesn't like - religion system. She would be upset by 666 here.

Why not make this number different from 666 to get a few more players into the game which fall into this category? Those who play exploration mode just want to have fun without savescumming, artmoney and afraid of death. 666 is nothing for ones but for a few players its a punishment which isn't just cancels that fun.

I know there could be tons of another arguments which desribe how chaotic ADOM is... But changing this number is a simple change which doesn't make impression worse for all but make it better for some. Hence why not?

11-19-2015 04:10 PM
Ancient Member
I don't mind the 666 reference, although I'm not sure how it fits in the game. What about 1000? It's a neat, round number, and should make enough wishes for everyone.

11-19-2015 04:17 PM
Junior Member
If something negatively affects some people, and makes no positive difference to anyone else, it's worth changing. Reason for my recent RFE, too.

666 being (wrongly) associated in a -lot- of the US and UK with a religious concept of evil is definitely a potential offender, so I flagged it up. Honestly it just seemed unnecessary.
I'd love to see a ridiculous number of wishes on the wand to prevent anyone else saying that it's too limited, so over 100 is a good place to start from - I wasn't suggesting that it reverted back to the original, lower total, but changing it to an ingame reference (like 777 for the Casino or 1000 for a round number or anything else notable) is better than just changing it ;)

Quote Originally Posted by ixi
I know at least one girl. She plays roguelike games from time to time. She tried ADOM and she likes NotEye version. She would use exploration mode. The only thing she ignores in ADOM completly and doesn't like - religion system. She would be upset by 666 here. Why not make this number different from 666 to get a few more players into the game which fall into this category?
Exactly. ADOM is about playing the game as you wish, and taking small drawbacks as challenges is actively encouraged, so it's open to almost everyone.

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