Lithium Man achievement
issueid=4416 08-22-2016 11:44 PM
Member
Number of reported issues by unholy: 8
Lithium Man achievement
Lithium Man achievement is bugged

There is at the very least me and another guy that tried to get that achievement and failed although we met the requirements.

See those 2 threads :

http://steamcommunity.com/app/333300...8516950707582/

http://steamcommunity.com/app/333300...6248617431610/
Issue Details
Issue Number 4416
Project ADOM (Ancient Domains Of Mystery)
Category All Steam Versions
Status Fixed
Priority 8
Affected Version ADOM r67 (v2.2.1)
Fixed Version ADOM r68 (v2.2.2)
Milestone (none)
Users able to reproduce bug 1
Users unable to reproduce bug 0
Assigned Users (none)
Tags (none)




08-22-2016 11:55 PM
Ancient Member
I think this is an ongoing problem. See also 4284, 3768, and 4407.

I think this is still at 0% on Steam statistics, so nobody has ever managed to get it, AFAIK.

08-23-2016 01:31 AM
Member
Yeah just checked and it's at 0%

08-23-2016 01:32 PM
The Creator
There was a problem with counting the necessary locations. I have now adjusted this: You need 62 locations for the minimum win (according to my own understanding of ADOM :-) ):

1 - wilderness
50 - caverns of chaos (using the living tree level instead of DH)
4 - ToEF
7 - Mana temple branch

ADOM now checks this number in a hard-coded way (instead of the using the dynamic routine I obviously fumbled before).

Fixed.

08-23-2016 07:56 PM
Member
Great thank you! But to clarify. Is it ok to get attacked in the wilderness? Also, there is sometime the shortcut in D2-3; would it be ok to use both the shortcut the normal D level? (and imho DH should be fair game but that's your decision ;) )

08-23-2016 08:29 PM
Ancient Member
So if you accidentally descend into DH (and there's no way to predict in advance), you fail Lithium Man because you'll get at least 1 extra level, but you actually didn't do anything wrong, just had a random 50/50 chance mess you up?

What about the (sometimes) path-split in the early CoC? I guess you have to be really really careful to always take the same split direction whenever you change levels?

At the very least, these should be clarified in the achievement text.

08-24-2016 05:27 AM
The Creator
Do you have a proposal for a clarification?

08-24-2016 05:40 AM
Member
I think it should be shortest possible path with the exception of the CoC shortcut and DH. IMHO it's a challenge about making the most out of every bit of resources you find and of your knowledge of the game, which would not be altered by that.

08-24-2016 05:53 AM
Ancient Member
Quote Originally Posted by adom-admin
Do you have a proposal for a clarification?
Maybe add something like "(while visiting least amount of dungeons in the process)" at the end?

People typically consider split, dwarven halls and ogre cave as part of caverns of chaos, which are allowed in current description.

08-24-2016 10:21 AM
Junior Member
Yes, they should definitely be allowed, in particular the split level and DH, where it's just a matter of blind luck. Lithium man is not about getting it right with the 25 % probability to pick the right ones out of two staircases, it's about sticking to the basics.

I at least have always understood the CoC limitation to include everything in that cavern. So that it would allow also Ogre cave and BDC.

08-24-2016 03:32 PM
Ancient Member
Quote Originally Posted by adom-admin
Do you have a proposal for a clarification?
Currently(Steam release) it reads:

Complete the game without visiting any locations except the Caverns of Chaos and the Tower of Eternal Flames.
If you want to specify that CoC does not include DH but does include AF and the MT branch then I'd suggest:

Complete the game without visiting any locations except the Wilderness, the Caverns of Chaos, The Animated Forest, Dwarftown, The Unreal Cave System, The Mana Temple, and the Tower of Eternal Flames.
I *think* that covers every location you're allowing. And the presence in there of "AF, DT, MT, and UC" should make it clear that the Ogre Caves, the Dwarven Halls, and the Blue Dragon Caves are not included.

Yes, that achievement contains mild spoilers (there's an Animated Forest?), but anyone looking at achievement descriptions will already see spoilers ("Slay the Chaos God", "Successfully rob the Casino Shop").

08-24-2016 05:39 PM
Ancient Member
Quote Originally Posted by Harkila
Yes, they should definitely be allowed, in particular the split level and DH, where it's just a matter of blind luck. Lithium man is not about getting it right with the 25 % probability to pick the right ones out of two staircases, it's about sticking to the basics.

I at least have always understood the CoC limitation to include everything in that cavern. So that it would allow also Ogre cave and BDC.
Split and DH should be definitely allowed as there's no reasonable way to distinguish them.

IMHO, BDC should not be included.

08-24-2016 05:57 PM
Ancient Member
Split is technically allowed... you just need to mark the stairs, and use the same way.

If number is hardcoded... alowing both parts of split and DH on top of AF, would mean that someone who dodged both can unlock DF and Terinyo, which gives shortcut, PoCC, etc.

Overall, I am for proper implementation, but given the past problems, I gladly take whatever working solution happens to be...

08-25-2016 06:06 AM
Member
Oh I forgot about OC. Imho everything in CoC shoud be included except BDC.

08-25-2016 06:56 AM
Junior Member
Quote Originally Posted by unholy
Oh I forgot about OC. Imho everything in CoC shoud be included except BDC.
Just out of curiosity, why would BDC be the only one that should be excluded?
The challenge is about visiting two places - CoC and ToEF. Lithium man allows you to move back and forth in these as much as you want, and also to scum deeper levels if that's your thing. BDC doesn't make the thing easier, just adds a few levels to it. Even if BDC was forbidden, you could still do scumming in DH or the cavern at D:37-ish.

08-25-2016 07:32 AM
Member
Quote Originally Posted by Harkila
Just out of curiosity, why would BDC be the only one that should be excluded?
The challenge is about visiting two places - CoC and ToEF. Lithium man allows you to move back and forth in these as much as you want, and also to scum deeper levels if that's your thing. BDC doesn't make the thing easier, just adds a few levels to it. Even if BDC was forbidden, you could still do scumming in DH or the cavern at D:37-ish.
In my case it's purely subjective. That's how I always understood the challenge. BDC is technically a path taken for an ultra, it's quite a big deviation and the challenge is to close the door in the straightforward fashion. As for DH I think there is pretty much a consensus because it would be pure luck. As for OC, I feel that doing the challenge should not preclude doing that quest line, but I'm okay either way. The shortcut I don't care as long as there isn't any issue that would be similar as the one we have right now with Forest-DH.

08-28-2016 11:41 AM
The Creator
DH and Wilderness encounters are no taken into account correctly. This feels better than changing the message in a complicated way ;-)

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