So, some class ideas

[anon123]

I also have a Wand of Paralysis, but honestly I don't think I've ever managed to paralyze anybody with one of those dang things.

That's funny, they're usually pretty effective on the ACW for me. Have yours charged and be persistent. High Luck affects a lot of stuff, so it might help here too (I try to maximize it as soon as possible).

EDIT: Hmm! I guess maybe not yet! I have, A Ring Of Fire Resistance, and the High King's Ring, and the Elemental Gauntlets, but I am still being hurt! Now, I know the Minstrel is a two faced liar! He said I only needed two Kinds of Resistance for the Fire Tower! Grr....

Well, that's not exactly true. You need four counts of resistance to avoid taking damage in the tower. Having the intrinsic counts as two. There are no "levels" of intrinsic fire resistance in case you read that anywhere - you either have it or you don't.

With your current setup, you should be losing 1 hit point every other turn... not a huge deal, just mind your HP.

[Dogbreath]

You're very likely to find fire drakes in the lower levels of the ToEF (and to generate corpses, since you have food preservation). Eat a few of them and you'll get intrinsic fire resistance, if you're at all lucky. (I think drakes give you a 50% chance)

[Lasher]

Okay! Went to the Chief Bandit and learned some climbing from him! Also killed the Fire Wyrm, and got his orb! Now, I need SIX artifacts?! What.

Hmm...I left the Big Punch in Waldo's, and have the phial. Not sure what else to give him yet. Any suggestions?

I hope this Ratling gives me something worth it!

Oh! Also, I have the Shadow Touch power now! I think I'm level 26. When should I head down the ID?

Thanks everybody!

[anon123]

Hmm...I left the Big Punch in Waldo's, and have the phial. Not sure what else to give him yet. Any suggestions?

The wiki has some suggestions on what to give him. Remember you don't have to feed him now - if you'd rather cling to your current artifacts, you could keep on descending through the CoC (stop when you reach D:48) in hopes of generating more.

[Lasher]

Okay!

Made it to the Casino! I bought a lot of books and scrolls there which was good cause my spells were getting low! Trying to do the Unarmed thing again! Shadow Touch is actually kinda nice! It restores your PP pretty well!

I'm gonna post my girl decked out in "Battle Gear" and see what you guys think! I wish I had more PV and DV, but don't know what to do about that. :/
I raided Dark Forge some time ago and mostly got clothes and weapons I don't use and sold.

I tried to Steal Big Punch from Waldo, but he saw me when I was invisible the moment I stepped into his shop every time! Any ideas?

I haven't gotten crowned yet, and only gave the phial to the Ratling. That's as far as I've gotten on my quest! Kinda of at a stumbling block there right now. The only artifacts I have are the gloves, the ankh, and the mummy clothes. With big Punch that would make 5! So it's a hurdle I have yet to Cross. Once I get a higher level I will try to make it down the ID. As far as need be huh? Any tips? I'm guessing it's pretty rough?

Alright, here's my gal!

Alene    St:23  Le:33  Wi:43  Dx:25  To:26  Ch:15  Ap: 1  Ma:34  Pe:20  C
DV/PV: 38/27   H: 294(294)   P: 344(354)   Exp: 25/1652567   M: 80893



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                            Background Information
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Name: Alene               Race: female Human        Class: Necromancer
Eye color: brown          Hair color: red           Complexion: tanned
Height: 5'6"              Weight: 125 pounds
Age: 24 (grown-up)
Star sign: Raven          Birthday: 19/Raven (day 19 of the year)

Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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Right hand: +35 bonus to hit, 1d3+21 damage


Damage caused with your missile weapons:
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Ammunition: 10, base range: 9, +36 bonus to hit, 2d6+15 damage

  Spells
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   Acid Bolt          :   876,  14pp     (Effectivity: +5)
   Bless              :  1326,   8pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Burning Hands      :   987,   8pp     (Effectivity: +2)
   Cure Light Wounds  :  1535,   5pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Cure Serious Wounds:    10,  19pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Darkness           :  1938,   4pp     (Effectivity: +2)
   Death Ray          :  1034, 100pp     (Effectivity: +1)
   Destroy Undead     :  1249,   8pp     (Effectivity: +1)
   Disarm Trap        :  1015,  10pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Farsight           :   721,  15pp     (Effectivity: +14)
   Fire Bolt          :    61,  10pp     (Effectivity: +18)
   Fireball           :   376,  18pp     (Effectivity: +14)
   Frost Bolt         :  1007,   7pp     (Effectivity: +27)
   Ice Ball           :   145,  24pp     (Effectivity: +8)
   Identify           :   672,  75pp     (Effectivity: +2)
   Invisibility       :   867,  10pp     (Effectivity: +2)
   Knock              :   916,  11pp     (Effectivity: +5)
   Light              :  1195,   2pp     (Effectivity: +7)
   Lightning Bolt     :  1778,  10pp     (Effectivity: +11)
   Magic Lock         :   754,   8pp     (Effectivity: +1)
   Magic Missile      :  2338,   4pp     (Effectivity: +26)
   Remove Curse       :   392,  49pp     (Effectivity: +6)
   Slow Monster       :  1232,   7pp     (Effectivity: +1)
   Slow Poison        :  1556,   6pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Strength of Atlas  :  1389,  10pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Stun Ray           :  1560,   8pp     (Effectivity: +2)
   Teleportation      :  1505,  20pp     (Effectivity: +14)
   Web                :  1320,  12pp     (Effectivity: +1)
   Inventory
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Total weight: 25621 stones                Carrying capacity: 58744 stones

Head          : uncursed crown of fire [+1, +2]                       [65s]
Neck          : uncursed ankh                                          [3s]
Body          : uncursed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8}       [60s]
Girdle        : blessed girdle of greed [+0, +0]                       [7s]
Cloak         : blessed cloak of protection [+0, +5]                  [20s]
Right Hand    : -
Left Hand     : uncursed tower adamantium shield (-2) [+11, +5]      [108s]
Right Ring    : uncursed ring of mental stability [+0, +3] {Le+1}      [1s]
Left Ring     : blessed ring of slaying (+6 melee damage, +6 missile damage)
Bracers       : blessed bracers of regeneration [+0, +0]              [18s]
Gauntlets     : uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3]        [10s]
Boots         : uncursed mithril boots (+1, +1) [-1, +2]              [96s]
Missile weapon: blessed light crossbow of accuracy (+8, +1)           [70s]
Missiles      : bundle of 10 uncursed quarrels (+3, 2d6)              [20s]
Tool          : uncursed Chaos Orb of Elemental Water {Wi+10}        [100s]

[Lasher]

And my stuff!

Helmets ('[')
   uncursed adamantium cap [+0, +2]                                   [36s]
   uncursed helm of water breathing [+0, +1]                          [30s]
   uncursed bone helmet [+0, +1]                                      [40s]
Shields ('[')
   uncursed large mithril shield (-1) [+7, +2]                        [96s]
Gauntlets ('[')
   uncursed thick gauntlets (-1, -2) [+0, +0]                         [15s]
Cloaks ('[')
   uncursed light cloak [+2, +0]                                      [20s]
   uncursed cloak of adornment [+2, -3] {Ap+4}                        [40s]
Girdles ('[')
   blessed girdle of carrying [+0, +0]                                [15s]
Boots ('[')
   uncursed eternium boots [+0, +5]                                   [55s]
Necklaces (''')
   uncursed amulet of petrification resistance                         [3s]
   heap of 2 uncursed amulets of death ray resistance                 [14s]
   uncursed necklace of the silver tongue {Ch+5}                       [2s]
Bracers (',')
   uncursed bracers of toughness [+0, +0] {To+4}                      [10s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
   uncursed broken pick axe (+0, 1d6+1)                               [75s]
   uncursed eternium flail (+0, 4d4+12)                               [66s]
   uncursed dagger of death (+4, 5d5+2)                               [10s]
Two-handed weapons ('(')
   blessed eternium halberd (+12, 4d7+8) [-2, +0]                     [50s]
Missiles ('/')
   bundle of 12 uncursed quarrels (+1, 2d6)                           [24s]
   bundle of 4 uncursed adamantium quarrels of slaying (+1, 2d6+6)     [4s]
   bundle of 12 uncursed quarrels of darkness (+1, 2d6)               [24s]
   uncursed black hurthling quarrel (+1, 1d3+3)                        [2s]
   bundle of 6 cursed black hurthling quarrels (+1, 1d3+2)            [12s]
   bundle of 2 uncursed mithril quarrels (+4, 2d6+3)                   [4s]
   cursed mithril quarrel (+1, 2d6+3)                                  [2s]
   bundle of 5 uncursed mithril quarrels (+1, 2d6+6)                  [10s]
   bundle of 4 cursed quarrels of jelly slaying (+6, 2d6+3)           [16s]
Tools (']')
   heap of 3 uncursed torches                                         [30s]
   uncursed box with flint and steel (35)                              [5s]
   uncursed tinderbox (15)                                             [3s]
   heap of 3 uncursed waterproof blankets                             [30s]
   uncursed square key                                                 [1s]
   uncursed small key                                                  [1s]
   uncursed fireproof blanket                                         [10s]
   heap of 2 uncursed tiny keys                                        [2s]
   uncursed golden ball                                               [10s]
   blessed waterproof blanket                                         [10s]
   uncursed triangular key                                             [1s]
   cursed box with flint and steel (38)                                [5s]
   uncursed Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire {St+10}                      [100s]
   blessed small key                                                   [1s]
   heap of 2 blessed sis                                              [20s]
   uncursed magical writing set (6)                                    [5s]

Rings ('=')
   uncursed ring of damage                                             [1s]
   blessed ring of invisibility                                        [1s]
   blessed ring of fire resistance                                     [1s]
   uncursed ring of protection +2                                      [1s]
   blessed ring of djinni summoning                                    [1s]
   blessed ring of the High Kings [+2, +3]                             [1s]
   uncursed ring of the fish                                           [1s]
   uncursed ring of luck                                               [1s]
   uncursed ring of fire resistance                                    [1s]
   uncursed wedding ring                                               [1s]
   uncursed ring of invisibility                                       [1s]
   blessed ring of luck                                                [1s]
   uncursed ring of karmic absorption                                  [1s]
Wands ('\')
   blessed wand of paralyzation (6 charges)                            [3s]
   uncursed wand of digging (3 charges)                                [3s]
   uncursed wand of digging (5 charges)                                [3s]
   uncursed wand of cold (3 charges)                                   [4s]
   blessed wand of digging (8 charges)                                 [3s]
   uncursed wand of digging (3 charges)                                [3s]
   uncursed wand of wonder (3 charges)                                 [3s]
   uncursed wand of paralyzation (5 charges)                           [3s]
   uncursed wand of door creation (7 charges)                          [3s]
Potions ('!')
   blessed potion of youth                                             [4s]
   heap of 8 potions of holy water                                    [32s]
   uncursed potion of healing                                          [4s]
   heap of 2 uncursed potions of balance                               [8s]
   cursed potion of invisibility                                       [4s]
   heap of 9 uncursed potions of carrot juice                         [36s]
   heap of 12 uncursed potions of booze                               [48s]
   heap of 2 uncursed oils of rust removal                             [4s]
   heap of 9 uncursed potions of extra healing                        [18s]
   blessed oil of rust removal                                         [2s]
   blessed potion of cure corruption                                   [2s]
   heap of 4 blessed potions of insight                                [8s]
   heap of 2 uncursed potions of ultra healing                         [4s]
   uncursed potion of invisibility                                     [4s]
   heap of 2 uncursed potions of insight                               [4s]
   uncursed potion of boost charisma                                   [2s]
   heap of 2 potions of unholy water                                   [8s]
   heap of 2 blessed potions of booze                                  [8s]
   heap of 7 blessed potions of extra healing                         [14s]
   heap of 2 blessed potions of carrot juice                           [8s]
   heap of 4 blessed potions of ultra healing                          [8s]
   cursed oil of rust removal                                          [2s]
   cursed potion of cure poison                                        [2s]
   blessed potion of healing                                           [4s]
   uncursed potion of poison                                           [4s]
   blessed potion of boost mana                                        [2s]
   uncursed potion of youth                                            [4s]
Scrolls ('?')
   uncursed scroll of warning                                          [2s]
   heap of 3 uncursed scrolls of darkness                              [6s]
   heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of item destruction                      [4s]
   uncursed papyrus scroll                                             [2s]
   uncursed scroll of protection                                       [2s]
   heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of satiation                             [4s]
   uncursed scroll of increase melee damage                            [2s]
   blessed scroll of item destruction                                  [2s]
   uncursed scroll of ill fate                                         [2s]
   blessed scroll of familiar summoning                                [2s]
   heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of defense                               [4s]
   uncursed scroll of charging                                         [2s]
   heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of magic mapping                         [4s]
   uncursed scroll of repair                                           [2s]
   uncursed scroll of monster detection                                [2s]
   cursed scroll of darkness                                           [2s]
   blessed scroll of darkness                                          [2s]
   heap of 7 blessed scrolls of identify                              [14s]
   blessed scroll of gold detection                                    [2s]
   uncursed scroll of teleportation                                    [2s]
   heap of 7 blessed scrolls of uncursing                             [14s]
   blessed scroll of item detection                                    [2s]
   uncursed blank scroll                                               [2s]
   uncursed scroll of power                                            [2s]
Books ('"')
   blessed spellbook of Fireball                                     [100s]
   uncursed spellbook of Magic Missile                               [100s]
   uncursed spellbook of Teleportation                               [100s]

Thanks everyone!

[anon123]

I'm gonna post my girl decked out in "Battle Gear" and see what you guys think! I wish I had more PV and DV, but don't know what to do about that. :/
I raided Dark Forge some time ago and mostly got clothes and weapons I don't use and sold.

Surely there's armor in the casino? Remember items on the shoppe aren't pre-identified, so those metal boots and caps could be of eternium and have nice PV modifiers, due to the high danger level. Try to pick up all armor (specially parts with unusual weight) and read a blessed scroll of identify.

I tried to Steal Big Punch from Waldo, but he saw me when I was invisible the moment I stepped into his shop every time! Any ideas?

It seems you can't steal from Waldy while invisible at all, sadly. Something you can do to get the necessary gold is going to a slot machine that costs 24gp, playing a game and leaving something heavy in your spacebar. Come back after an hour, and you should have plenty of money. If you're playing on 1.1.1, you can also try to get a wand of destruction and kick-rob him.

I haven't gotten crowned yet, and only gave the phial to the Ratling. That's as far as I've gotten on my quest! Kinda of at a stumbling block there right now. The only artifacts I have are the gloves, the ankh, and the mummy clothes. With big Punch that would make 5! So it's a hurdle I have yet to Cross.

You haven't dug up Nonnak's sword from the grave?

Once I get a higher level I will try to make it down the ID. As far as need be huh? Any tips? I'm guessing it's pretty rough?

The trip won't be very hard, although near its end you might see monsters comparable to the DH and D:40+. On the (beautiful) special level you will see a named monster. He/she will be very tough, but you can turn the lights off. With a little luck, you might be able to retrieve without fighting them.

Boots ('[')
uncursed eternium boots [+0, +5] [55s]

Equip these!

[Dogbreath]

Hmm...I left the Big Punch in Waldo's, and have the phial. Not sure what else to give him yet. Any suggestions?

My usual Ratling Fodder is:

Big Punch
Moon Sickle (its the Scythe around D:20, guarded by the stone golem)
Sword of Nonnack
Black Torc
Crystal Phial
Either the Crown of Science or the Ancient Mummy Wrapping. (I usually get see invis from some other source by this point, so it's usually the AMW, since I like using the Crown to read spellbooks)

If I find another useless artifact before that (like the black tome or something) I sac that instead. If you don't have the Torc, consider the AMW and the Crown, though you should really find at least 1 artifact in the casino. (Pick everything up and read a blessed scroll of identify)

[Lasher]

Okay! On level 44 of the ID and nothing yet! Have I passed it?

I just opened a door, and the room was dark! I hit something walking in. I just about cast the light spell, then for some reason, I don't know thought, Maybe I should switch to Coward first just to be safe! I never ever do that!

But I did.

Lights go on.

I'm surrounded by a room full of Ancient Karmic Dragons.

;_;

Teleport.

Run for the stairs.

WHAT.

Why is that a thing?!

EDIT: Okay guys I'm getting scared! Lots of Scary monsters down here! Berserker Emperor, Doppleganger King, Skeleton King (WTF isn't that a boss?), Ancient Dragons, Ancient Minotaurs, some kind of Super Lich, I don't know!

What do?!

[Dogbreath]

Okay! On level 44 of the ID and nothing yet! Have I passed it?

No.

Trust me, you'll KNOW when you find it.

I just opened a door, and the room was dark! I hit something walking in. I just about cast the light spell, then for some reason, I don't know thought, Maybe I should switch to Coward first just to be safe! I never ever do that!

But I did.

Lights go on.

I'm surrounded by a room full of Ancient Karmic Dragons.

;_;

Teleport.

Run for the stairs.

WHAT.

Why is that a thing?!

I once dove to around ID: 280 once (just to see what things looked like that far down)... you run into some pretty scary things. If you want, next time you win the game and decide to play tourist, try seeing how far down you can get. I've heard of people going past ID: 800 before.