Its time to win!

[CloudKing]

I have played ADOM for years and have yet to actually win a game.. I can get past ToEF, water temple, I can get the ring of high kings, water dragon quest, pyramid and other such low/mid game areas...

I usually die around lvl 25 for various stupid reasons but now I think it is time to actually win the game...

I was wondering if I might bother for some tips on post middle game success..
my current char is lvl 11 Gnome/Priest just got crowned with shirt of saints and has spear of penetration..

[Stingray1]

Don't die a stupid death. Get your spear/shield trained. Have Wi as high as possible when casting. Use Ball spells if you feel threatened in coward mode. Don't be afraid to run.

I think you know all these anyway, best of luck.

[anon123]

Have death ray resistance and disablers for the Mana Temple.

If Kelly is already dead (or saved) and you find a wish, spellbooks of Rain of Sorrow would make a good one. Go to a safe place and wear the crown of science before reading.

A VLG of your character would be nice.

[CloudKing]

OK lvl 17 now... just finished putting bloodAxe to rest and ridding Dwarf town of a green deamon(had to melee him and took some stat drains )... was thinking about getting some teleport and raiding dark forge next.
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Character Information
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TheWin St:18 Le:27 Wi:12 Dx:25 To:20 Ch:15 Ap:11 Ma:22 Pe:15 N=
DV/PV: 37/19 H: 109(148) P: 142(142) Exp: 17/211716 M: 21766



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Background Information
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Name: TheWin Race: male Gnome Class: Priest
Eye color: brown Hair color: white Complexion: ruddy
Height: 3'6" Weight: 116 pounds
Age: 107 (grown-up)
Star sign: Cup Birthday: 11/Cup (day 251 of the year)

YOUR HISTORY:
Your father is a guildmaster. Your family generally is rather
wealthy and well-known in your home town.
As a child you lived through happy days. Your parents tried to ease
your life as much as possible and gave you a lot of comfort.
As a youth you spent a lot of time in the wilds exploring woods and
generally enjoying your freedom. You had a lot of fun and learned to value
the treasures of nature.
Your young adulthood was characterized by hard and long work. You
had decided to study under a renowned master. To your great disappointment
you had to find out, that he was a hard, unjust and tyrannic man,
embittered by his old age. Your apprentice years were quite terrible.
You decided to become a Priest.


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Inventory
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Total weight: 2919 stones Carrying capacity: 1950 stones

Head : blessed adamantium cap [+0, +2] [36s]
Neck : blessed amulet of balance [3s]
Body : blessed Shirt of the Saints [+8, +4] {Le+2} [20s]
Girdle : blessed adamantium girdle [+0, +3] [18s]
Cloak : -
Right Hand : uncursed spear of penetration (+4, 1d8+2) [50s]
Left Hand : blessed medium mithril shield [+5, +1] [80s]
Right Ring : blessed ring of defense +1 [1s]
Left Ring : uncursed ring of damage [1s]
Bracers : uncursed bracers of toughness [+0, +0] {To+4} [10s]
Gauntlets : blessed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
Boots : blessed mithril boots [+0, +4] [96s]
Missile weapon: uncursed light crossbow of accuracy (+8, +0) [70s]
Missiles : bundle of 28 uncursed quarrels (+1, 2d6) [56s]
Tool : uncursed tamborine [5s]


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Stuff
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Total weight: 2463 stones Carrying capacity: 1950 stones

Gauntlets ('[')
uncursed red leather gauntlets [+0, +1] [10s]
uncursed white leather gauntlets [+2, +1] [10s]
Necklaces (''')
uncursed amulet of petrification resistance [3s]
uncursed amulet of protection +2 [3s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed orcish knife of devastation (+0, 5d3+8) [10s]
uncursed orcish knife of penetration (+0, 1d3+2) [10s]
uncursed mithril scimitar of hunting (+0, 1d8+5) [32s]
uncursed golden gladius "Death's Sting" (+2, 2d5+2) [+3, +3] (+7 spd)
uncursed lead-filled mace "Big Punch" (+1, 8d5+3) [-6, +0] [800s]
Missiles ('/')
bundle of 10 uncursed arrows of undead slaying (+3, 2d4+3) [20s]
bundle of 25 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6) [50s]
Tools (']')
uncursed square key [1s]
uncursed triangular key [1s]
uncursed tiny key [1s]
cursed waterproof blanket [10s]
uncursed round key [1s]
blessed si [10s]
Rings ('=')
heap of 2 uncursed rings of acid resistance [2s]
uncursed ring of defense +1 [1s]
blessed ring of fire resistance [1s]
Wands ('\')
uncursed wand of magic missiles (0 charges) [3s]
cursed wand of door creation (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of wonder (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (1 charge) [3s]
uncursed wand of fireballs (4 charges) [3s]
blessed wand of fireballs (12 charges) [3s]
Potions ('!')
heap of 4 potions of holy water [16s]
uncursed potion of poison [4s]
uncursed potion of healing [4s]
uncursed potion of potential charisma [4s]
uncursed potion of potential beauty [4s]
uncursed potion of invisibility [4s]
blessed potion of willpower [4s]
uncursed potion of booze [4s]
cursed potion of booze [4s]
heap of 4 blessed potions of extra healing [8s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of water [8s]
uncursed potion of mana [4s]
cursed potion of troll blood [2s]
Scrolls ('?')
heap of 3 uncursed scrolls of satiation [6s]
uncursed scroll of protection [2s]
cursed scroll of defense [2s]
blessed scroll of identify [2s]
uncursed scroll of increase melee damage [2s]
uncursed scroll of gold detection [2s]
Food ('%')
heap of 20 blessed cooked lizards [60s]
heap of 18 blessed pepper petals [36s]
heap of 10 uncursed pepper petals [20s]
heap of 2 uncursed herb seeds [4s]
uncursed stomafillia herb [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed loaves of bread [80s]
uncursed bit of plain candy [2s]
heap of 6 uncursed iron rations [600s]
uncursed loaf of hurthling bread [30s]
heap of 79 uncursed cooked lizards [237s]
Valuables ('$')
28222 gold pieces [282s]
edit: was crowned with lightning immune

[anon123]

Rings of damage go in the right ring finger Also, I would leave the spear of penetration in the pack to deal with heavily armored monsters. It would be a shame if it got destroyed while you used it for mooks. Bless and rustproof it when you have the chance.

Perhaps Darkforge will give you a good weapon for everyday use, and if not, Big Punch is excellent (just try to find a better shield to make up for lost polearm DV).

[CloudKing]

OK raided dark forge and found a dagger of death.. I put the spear in my pack and now am off to do the keethrax quest..now lvl 18

[Stingray1]

That spear is good to use in most circumstances. Equip it before melee, but not against rust monsters or water breathers, corrosive jellies, etc.

Personnaly I would fight with any spear if I knew i had that in my backpack, just to keep spear training going.

Remember your goal is the DV bonus from spears.

[Grey]

Forget the DV bonus from spears - it pales in comparison to shield DV, and it's better to kill an enemy quickly with a high damage weapon if you want to avoid attacks.

But having said that a weapon of penetration is mighty useful against many enemies. Be sure to use any scrolls of increase melee damage you find on it.

[littlebrather]

Don't forget to exchange the gladius.
Why don't you use herbs? 16(+4) To is a pretty low. Herb boosted chars seem fail not so often from stupid mistakes.
As for me, I managed to stop all the YASD only by reaching limits in herb-training. This not only gives you a better HP but also enough time to obtain better equipment.
Find a better shield. Doesn't matter how heavy it is.
Remove this pathetic +1DV ring. Ring of fire resistance is much better preventing you from dying on random fireball trap.
This amulet of balance literally gives you nothing since you are N=. Alignment changes around N (from NC to NL) aren't make your god hate you, while all the changes can be easily fixed with kind of dirty tricks. Especially for a gnome with Ventriloquism and Pickpocketing =)
Since you do not managed the Pyramid, it's better now to dig (in a specific place, you know) for Sword of Nonnac for -Death. This may help you in the future.
Big Punch, because you already take it, is better to be wield in hand.

[CloudKing]

OK, this is the point where I usually die... level 26 is very rare for me
(never been to 30),
tomarrow the day begins with a pot of coffee and a trip to the ToEF.
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Character Information
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TheWin St:22 Le:33 Wi:25 Dx:30 To:24 Ch:20 Ap:18 Ma:30 Pe:15 N-
DV/PV: 105/32 H: 234(244) P: 223(270) Exp: 25/1311125 M: 63411
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Background Information
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Name: TheWin Race: male Gnome Class: Priest
Eye color: brown Hair color: white Complexion: ruddy
Height: 3'6" Weight: 116 pounds
Age: 107 (grown-up)
Star sign: Cup Birthday: 11/Cup (day 251 of the year)
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Weapon Skills
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Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
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Unarmed fighting 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 21
Daggers & knives 8 +7 +4 +2 excellent 644
Clubs & hammers 2 +2 +0 +0 basic 60
Maces & flails 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 22
Swords 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 22
Axes 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 22
Whips 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 22
Pole arms 9 +9 +5 +10 excellent 387
Twohanded weapons 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 22
Staves 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 22

Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks
--------------------- --- --- --- -- ------------- --------------
Slings 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 10
Bows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 10
Crossbows 3 +6 +4 +1 basic 27
Thrown axes & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 10
Thrown daggers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown rocks & clubs 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 10
Thrown spears 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 10
Boomerangs & scurgari 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 8

Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks
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Shields 6 +12 skilled 118
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Spells
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Acid Bolt : 936, 7pp (Effectivity: +12)
Baptism of Fire : 1236, 4pp (Effectivity: +20)
Bless : 897, 4pp (Effectivity: +0)
Calm Monster : 1158, 4pp (Effectivity: +0)
Cure Critical Wounds: 1055, 8pp (Effectivity: +3)
Cure Disease : 1450, 4pp (Effectivity: +1)
Cure Light Wounds : 3016, 3pp (Effectivity: +3)
Cure Serious Wounds : 1761, 5pp (Effectivity: +9)
Darkness : 844, 2pp (Effectivity: +5)
Disarm Trap : 713, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
Dispel Undead : 1528, 4pp (Effectivity: +15)
Divine Key : 1258, 6pp (Effectivity: +2)
Divine Wrath : 745, 6pp (Effectivity: +1)
Earthquake : 554, 40pp (Effectivity: +1)
Enlightenment : 860, 37pp (Effectivity: +6)
Ethereal Bridge : 606, 11pp (Effectivity: +4)
Farsight : 1516, 8pp (Effectivity: +9)
Heal : 851, 20pp (Effectivity: +2)
Hellish Flames : 1814, 5pp (Effectivity: +11)
Holy Awe : 906, 6pp (Effectivity: +5)
Know Alignment : 1094, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
Lesser Divine Touch : 1487, 4pp (Effectivity: +9)
Light : 631, 1pp (Effectivity: +5)
Lordly Might : 873, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
Nether Bolt : 1184, 6pp (Effectivity: +19)
Neutralize Poison : 682, 5pp (Effectivity: +2)
Petrification : 732, 60pp (Effectivity: +2)
Remove Curse : 631, 25pp (Effectivity: +5)
Revelation : 1948, 17pp (Effectivity: +3)
Seal of the Spheres : 1570, 4pp (Effectivity: +0)
Slow Poison : 877, 3pp (Effectivity: +3)
Summon Monsters : 465, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
Veil of the Gods : 10, 10pp (Effectivity: +0)
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Skills
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Climbing .................. 65 (good) [+1d3]
Concentration .............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Detect item status ........100 (superb) [+2d4]
Detect traps .............. 47 (fair) [+3d4]
First aid ................. 42 (fair) [+4d5]
Gemology ..................100 (superb) [+1]
Haggling .................. 26 (mediocre) [+4d5]
Healing ...................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Herbalism .................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Listening .................100 (superb) [+3d3]
Literacy ..................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Mining .................... 48 (fair) [+2d4]
Music .....................100 (superb) [+1d5]
Pick pockets ..............100 (superb) [+1d3]
Stealth ................... 75 (great) [+1]
Ventriloquism ............. 36 (fair) [+3d3]
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Effects of Corruption
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Your close attunement to corrupted astral space allows teleportation.
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Inventory
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Total weight: 6387 stones Carrying capacity: 4900 stones

Head : blessed eternium cap [+5, +4] [28s]
Neck : blessed sapphire amulet "Preserver" [+4, +4] {Wi+7} [3s]
Body : blessed Shirt of the Saints [+8, +4] {Le+2} [20s]
Girdle : blessed girdle of carrying [+0, +0] [15s]
Cloak : blessed cloak of protection [+0, +3] [20s]
Right Hand : blessed spear of penetration (+4, 1d8+6) [50s]
Left Hand : blessed medium eternium shield (+3) [+9, +3] [46s]
Right Ring : blessed ring of the High Kings [+2, +3] [1s]
Left Ring : blessed ring of speed [+0, +1] (+5 spd) [1s]
Bracers : blessed bracers of toughness [+0, +0] {To+6} [10s]
Gauntlets : blessed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
Boots : blessed seven league boots [+1, +3] [30s]
Missile weapon: blessed light crossbow of accuracy (+8, +0) [70s]
Missiles : bundle of 6 blessed mithril quarrels (+1, 2d6) [12s]
Tool : -
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Stuff
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Total weight: 6071 stones Carrying capacity: 4900 stones

Helmets ('[')
blessed adamantium cap [+0, +6] [36s]
Armor ('[')
uncursed charged leather armor [+0, +1] [150s]
uncursed charged adamantium ring mail (-1, -2) [+0, +7] [216s]
uncursed robe of resilience [+0, +2] [60s]
uncursed black dragon scale mail (-2, -4) [-2, +11] [200s]
uncursed clothes of resilience [+0, +0] [40s]
blessed clothes of carrying [+0, +0] [40s]
Shields ('[')
uncursed tower adamantium shield (-2) [+11, +2] [108s]
uncursed medium crystal shield [+9, +4] [160s]
Gauntlets ('[')
blessed red dragon-hide gauntlets (-1, +1) [+0, +2] [10s]
uncursed thick gauntlets (-1, -2) [+0, +1] [15s]
uncursed gloves of carrying [+0, +0] [6s]
uncursed gloves of smiting [+2, +0] (+1 damage) [6s]
Cloaks ('[')
uncursed cloak of defense [+3, +0] [20s]
Girdles ('[')
blessed adamantium girdle [+0, +3] [18s]
Boots ('[')
uncursed seven league boots [+1, +0] [30s]
blessed eternium boots [+0, +7] [55s]
uncursed eternium boots [+2, +5] [55s]
uncursed seven league boots [+1, +1] [30s]
Necklaces (''')
blessed amulet of balance [3s]
heap of 2 uncursed amulets of petrification resistance [6s]
blessed amulet of death ray resistance [7s]
uncursed black torc [+4, +2] (+10 spd) [3s]
heap of 2 uncursed amulets of free action [6s]
blessed amulet of health [3s]
Bracers (',')
uncursed bracers of protection [+0, +2] [10s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed orcish knife of devastation (+0, 5d3+8) [10s]
uncursed orcish knife of penetration (+0, 1d3+2) [10s]
uncursed golden gladius "Death's Sting" (+2, 2d5+2) [+3, +3] (+7 spd)
uncursed lead-filled mace "Big Punch" (+1, 8d5+3) [-6, +0] [800s]
blessed dagger of death (+6, 5d5+3) [10s]
blessed mithril spear of slaughtering (+1, 2d10+4) [40s]
uncursed orcish battle axe of devastation (-1, 5d7+9) [120s]
uncursed murderous orcish knife (+0, 1d3+2) [10s]
uncursed sword of Nonnak (+2, 4d3+2) [+2, +2] {Wi+5} [80s]
uncursed whip (-4, 1d3) [15s]
blessed barbed pick axe (+0, 1d6+2) [75s]
blessed frozen eternium long sword of the sun (+0, 2d8+7) [20s]
uncursed eternium long sword of mayhem (+0, 4d8+13) [20s]
uncursed spear of penetration (+1, 1d8-3) [50s]
Two-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed lawful adamantium halberd of slaughtering (+9, 3d9+7) [-2, +0]
Missiles ('/')
bundle of 19 uncursed arrows of construct slaying (+3, 1d6+3) [38s]
bundle of 24 uncursed quarrels of construct slaying (+3, 2d6+3) [96s]
bundle of 4 uncursed quarrels of undead slaying (+3, 2d6+5) [16s]
bundle of 9 uncursed arrows of jelly slaying (+3, 2d4+3) [18s]
bundle of 5 uncursed mithril arrows (+0, 1d6+3) [10s]
bundle of 2 uncursed arrows of construct slaying (+6, 1d6+3) [4s]
bundle of 7 cursed winged quarrels (+4, 2d6-3) [14s]
bundle of 12 uncursed quarrels of giant slaying (+3, 2d8+4) [48s]
bundle of 7 uncursed arrows of jelly slaying (+1, 2d4+3) [14s]
Tools (']')
heap of 2 uncursed fireproof blankets [20s]
cursed waterproof blanket [10s]
blessed si [10s]
uncursed climbing set [180s]
uncursed anvil [1000s]
Rings ('=')
heap of 2 uncursed rings of acid resistance [2s]
blessed ring of fire resistance [1s]
heap of 3 uncursed rings of fire [3s]
uncursed ring of invisibility [1s]
cursed ring of doom [1s]
uncursed ring of see invisible [1s]
uncursed ring of speed [+0, +1] (+5 spd) [1s]
uncursed ring of cold resistance [1s]
heap of 3 uncursed rings of ice [3s]
blessed ring of damage [1s]
cursed wedding ring [1s]
Wands ('\')
uncursed wand of fireballs (4 charges) [3s]
blessed wand of fireballs (8 charges) [3s]
blessed wand of teleportation (2 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of fire (3 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of cold (12 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of digging [3s]
cursed wand of digging (5 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of acid (3 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of door creation (8 charges) [3s]
blessed wand of teleportation (1 charge) [4s]
uncursed wand of acid (1 charge) [4s]
uncursed wand of far slaying (10 charges) [3s]
Potions ('!')
heap of 13 uncursed potions of invisibility [52s]
heap of 4 blessed potions of extra healing [8s]
heap of 4 potions of holy water [16s]
blessed potion of confusion [2s]
uncursed potion of confusion [2s]
blessed potion of ultra healing [2s]
potion of unholy water [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of ultra healing [4s]
heap of 2 cursed potions of invisibility [8s]
uncursed potion of exchange [4s]
uncursed potion of oil [2s]
heap of 5 uncursed potions of extra healing [10s]
uncursed oil of rust removal [2s]
uncursed potion of booze [4s]
uncursed potion of poison [4s]
cursed potion of booze [4s]
uncursed potion of deafness [2s]
Scrolls ('?')
blessed scroll of magic mapping [2s]
heap of 2 blessed scrolls of power [4s]
heap of 2 blessed scrolls of identify [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of magic mapping [4s]
uncursed scroll of charging [2s]
heap of 4 uncursed scrolls of identify [8s]
Food ('%')
[5s]
Valuables ('$')
133526 gold pieces [1335s]
Gems ('*')
cursed crystal of knowledge [1s]


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Killed Monsters
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2548 monsters perished under his attacks.

The following monsters were vanquished:
1 ancient minotaur
2 annihilators
1 black dragon
1 black druid
1 black unicorn
1 cave lion
15 chaos knights
1 chaos warlord
3 crystal statues
1 cyclops
1 dark elven priestess
1 death ooze
1 diamond golem
42 Dorn Beasts
51 dwarven chaos knights
1 fire giant
1 gorgon
1 greater chaos servant
1 greater claw bug
1 greater daemon
2 hydras
1 living wall
1 mimic hivemind
2 ogre kings
5 ogre magi
2 quickling kings
4 red dragons
1 skeletal king
4 troll kings
1 undead chaos dwarven berserker
1 vampire
2 werewolf lords
2 white dragons
1 wild cat
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Achievements
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He survived for 0 years, 57 days, 23 hours, 19 minutes and 54 seconds (63411
turns).
He was the champion of the arena.
He was a member of the thieves guild.
He made a little water dragon very happy.
KILLED KEETHRAX.
FOUND CUTE PUPPY.
PUT BLOODAXE TO REST.
GOT RING OF HIGH KING.
DID "QUESTS" FOR OLD DWARF.
FOUND POTION SHOP.
RAIDED DARK FORGE.
STOLE FROM WATER DRAGON.
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Special Powers
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fire resist(enhanced through an item).
poison resist(gained through an item).
cold resist(gained through an item).
lucky(enhanced through an item).
fate smiles.
sleep resist(gained through an item).
teleport control.
paralyzation resist(gained through an item).
shock resist(gained through an item).
see invisible(gained through an item).
shock immune.
confusion resist(gained through an item).
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naturally heal one hit every 5 turns.
naturally regen one mana every 16 turns.