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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing View Post
    I tend not to worry about nuclear power or bombs. Here in New Zealand nuclear power/bombs are illegal. I think the likely hood of a nuclear war is very low in my life time and even if there was one, who would nuke New Zealand? I'm sure we could just sit down here at the end of the earth and let the rest of the world ignore us. Probably no such luck for you guys in Europe and the USA though. The french would have probably had it comming. I agree with gut, power and bombs are fine just no testing.
    I live in germany and as far as I know, there were plans to nuke us around '45. And one of the proposed targets was not really far from where I live. Thankfully it didnt happen, but this reminds me that no, I am not "somewhere else".

    Of course at that time they had their reasons and its unlikely that it happens nowadays. But if some country not worrying about middle- and longterm effects gets access to nuclear weapons that is a risk.

    OTOH, theres this "we have it, why should they not be allowed to have it too?" argument.

    As for New Zealand, yeah, you are probably nice and safe there. For now.
    Of course it's unfair - that's the whole point.

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    My home in KY is very close to Oak Ridge Tennessee,
    where the U.S. does a lot of (most of?) it's nuclear
    weapons refining. I'm honestly a gazillion times more
    worried about some local screw-up than any attack.

    I've heard a rumor that France actually recycles their
    nuclear waste. I don't know how true that is, but if it
    is possible, I wish they would do that everywhere. I'm
    also more worried about longterm nuclear material
    storage than attack.
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    well, i live less than 120km from nuclear plant, which is actually same russian type as Chernobyl.... just more powerfull...

    Ofcourse it has been modernised and so on... but that does not make me very happy.
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    Hurrah for modern-day superstition. Instead of ghosts we worry about nuclear evils, without any clues about the facts.
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    Speak for yourself.

    When that stupid thing exploded "radioactive cloud" went above my little country. We were next to official told to limit outdoor activities and later on warned not to gather certain plants and mushrooms which seemed to accumulate radioactive parts.

    I alos know few guys who were involved in liquidating site of exnuclear plat just cause they were serving in Soviet army at moment.

    There was also unofficial report about certain location cancers having spike of frequency about five years later.

    That is very non ghost story for me.
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    Chernobyl was a very individual case stemming from idiot Soviets trying to save every penny. Modern reactors have safety precautions that ensure such a thing can never happen again. Things like storing hundreds of tonnes of nuclear waste *above* your reactor core don't happen any more.

    I also find it interesting how Chernobyl gets such attention when its overall death rate was extremely low compared to accidents in every other industry. Nuclear meltdowns tend to grab people's imaginations more I guess.

    Not to downplay the dangers of nuclear technology of course. But the stigmatism attached to it in modern culture actually ensures that it is far far safer than any other industry due to the intense number of regulations. You'd be shocked by some of the things chemical factories get away with in Asia that the media never pays attention to...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey View Post
    Chernobyl was a very individual case stemming from idiot Soviets trying to save every penny.
    Actually it come from idiot operators. That type of reactors is still in use. We have two i believe with third being closed in development stages cause to some paranoics like me.

    What about three mile accident when? If such thing never happened on your British islands that does not mean that does not happen. not so famous cases:

    # NRX, Ontario, Canada, in 1952
    # EBR-I, Idaho, USA, in 1955
    # Windscale, Sellafield, England, in 1957 [mmm. British one]
    # Santa Susana Field Laboratory, Simi Hills, California, in 1959
    # SL-1, Idaho, USA in 1961. (US military)
    # Enrico Fermi Nuclear Generating Station, Michigan, USA, in 1966
    # Chapelcross, Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland, in 1967
    # A1 plant at Jaslovsk? Bohunice, Czechoslovakia in 1977.


    Low death ratio? Land surrounding Chernobyl it is still closed zone. You want me to give raw translation on local cancer frequency in years 5-10 after that in Ukraine?

    The thing is chemical hazards can be dreadful, but they are short period and can be often sorted, nuclear ones give very long term problems.
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    > we worry about nuclear evils, without any clues about the facts.

    We do? Nuclear power's safety record isn't as great
    as you make it out to be, but I'm not a paranoid.
    As Soirana mentioned, things are more reliant on
    opperators than most would imagine. Let's be honest,
    most countries that have nuclear power can't even
    keep track of all of their weapons-grade plutonium.
    This is supposed to inspire confidence? Regulations
    may be written down nicely enough, but there is a
    big difference between writing something and
    enforcing it. Is there a single country that has
    nuclear material that has handled it all properly,
    or even kept track of it all? And this is nuclear
    material that we're talking about here! It's not like
    anyone can even claim to have an excuse.

    I also don't like hearing developed countries
    complain about the possibility of developing
    countries not being able to keep their nuclear
    materials to themselves. If we keep having the
    same problem ourselves, what right do we have
    to complain?

    The long-term aspect is something that does boggle
    my mind. I once heard a televised debate about the
    problems associated with just LABELING a nuclear
    waste site. It was filled with stuff I had never even
    considered. Like the symbol we use for radiation may
    be nearly universally recognizable now, but maybe
    not so much 10,000 years from now. Who can predict
    what may happen in that length of time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gut View Post
    Like the symbol we use for radiation may
    be nearly universally recognizable now, but maybe
    not so much 10,000 years from now. Who can predict
    what may happen in that length of time?
    I can: humans won't evolve too much in that timeframe.
    Therefore put the symbol of a skull below the radiation symbol.
    Problem solved? Maybe.
    Of course it's unfair - that's the whole point.

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    I wasn't meaning evolution : ) I was meaning maybe
    something like running out of fossile fuels, and
    reverting to a more primative existance. Also maybe
    something like rampant war, famine, desease, stuff
    like that. I know the probability is low, but it's a long
    span of time...

    The skull and crossbones was of course one of the
    suggested ideas, countered with the thought that a
    future culture may interpret that as a sign of a
    burial ground : ) Quite enticing for a dig site...
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