Wish Engine?

[Sqrrt121]

Hello I am new on this forum and ADOM and I would like to ask, where would you get 19 rings and blessed potions of exchange? Also I am using ADOM 1.1.1

[AlterAsc]

Through some elaborate grinding. I wouldn't recommend it if you care about your sanity.

[grobblewobble]

If you've got a potion shop and a ring shop, that's the easiest way. But yes, it's still going to take a long time even then.

[anon123]

If you find a ring shop, remember 1.1.1 will let you attempt to start the engine with unpaid rings.

[Sami]

Ring wish engine doesn't work in 1.2.0 anymore. But in 1.1.1 it wasn't that hard to get a stack of 19 (or more) rings even in normal gameplay and 1 ring shop quite much guaranteed that.

Somewhere in mid-game you usually have a few stacks of 4-8 rings (fire resistance, stun resistance, fish and maybe a few others). Dipping largest of them into a potion of exchange has very high chance of transforming into a stack that can be merged with some of your existing stacks thus generating even larger pile to dip next time. And after 2-4 dips you will have a stack of 10+ rings, sometimes 19+.

[Soirana]

Ring wish engine doesn't work in 1.2.0 anymore. But in 1.1.1 it wasn't that hard to get a stack of 19 (or more) rings even in normal gameplay and 1 ring shop quite much guaranteed that.

Well you just need few hundred rings to kickstart. That is a hassle but afterwards it should be even more stable. I defintely would not call that "doesn't work".

[asdf]

Well you just need few hundred rings to kickstart. That is a hassle but afterwards it should be even more stable. I defintely would not call that "doesn't work".

Rusty rings, rings with varying stats (like +1-2-3 Le or +6-7-8 slaying), cursed rings, blessed rings, gain attribute rings... It leaks non-stackable rings constantly, so it does not work for 99% characters. You could get a lot, but for infinity wishes... you need 1000+ rings, i guess, and normal characters without ring shops cant generate so much rings.

[Soirana]

Rusty rings, rings with varying stats (like +1-2-3 Le or +6-7-8 slaying), cursed rings, blessed rings, gain attribute rings... It leaks non-stackable rings constantly, so it does not work for 99% characters. You could get a lot, but for infinity wishes... you need 1000+ rings, i guess, and normal characters without ring shops cant generate so much rings.

As far as i know rusty rings do not get generated, slaying is too high DL. Mental stability very rarely gets stats out of line. Normally one gets enough scrolls of uncursing/holy water [by time rings are farmed] to stabilize begining.
Gain of atribute is some leak but not too much and can be pulled back via PoRC and backpedaling to DL<7.

At slight bellow 5% of chance per ring if you start with 200ish ringfs [sorted by B/U/C but not type as you can dip largest stack] you get wish like half time. [assumin stacks of arround 10 - there is like 22 rings of same DL as djinni summoning or lower]
So wish>3pots>1,5wish. Due to rolls per ring this is way more stable tan 1.1.1 so can afford using wishes for rings/water/scrolls lots earlier than older version.

Honestly I did ring engine in old times, did maths and sincerely plan to do new version once we get stable version instead of prerelease windmill[in decade I guess given development tempo].

200ish is tedious, but I do assume with scumming ID for tension rooms at low DL [so initial rings are more stacked and generate more wishes] to kickstart should cut a bit in that number too.

[asdf]

As far as i know rusty rings do not get generated, slaying is too high DL. Mental stability very rarely gets stats out of line. Normally one gets enough scrolls of uncursing/holy water [by time rings are farmed] to stabilize begining.
Gain of atribute is some leak but not too much and can be pulled back via PoRC and backpedaling to DL<7.

At slight bellow 5% of chance per ring if you start with 200ish ringfs [sorted by B/U/C but not type as you can dip largest stack] you get wish like half time. [assumin stacks of arround 10 - there is like 22 rings of same DL as djinni summoning or lower]
So wish>3pots>1,5wish. Due to rolls per ring this is way more stable tan 1.1.1 so can afford using wishes for rings/water/scrolls lots earlier than older version.

Honestly I did ring engine in old times, did maths and sincerely plan to do new version once we get stable version instead of prerelease windmill[in decade I guess given development tempo].

200ish is tedious, but I do assume with scumming ID for tension rooms at low DL [so initial rings are more stacked and generate more wishes] to kickstart should cut a bit in that number too.

http://ancardia.uk.to/adom_users/asdf/merch.vlg

It is leaky and i cant make 19 stacks already.

[Soirana]

http://ancardia.uk.to/adom_users/asdf/merch.vlg

It is leaky and i cant make 19 stacks already.

I count multiple stacks of 19+ rings. As I've already said dipping even rings of ~10 per stack is still profitable at 1,5 ratio.
mental stability rings can also be pulled be back with pots of raw chaos on DL1.

So I sorta missed point entirely