Mission ADOMPossible: Threading Water

[Harwin]

Just to check that I understand the Munn'sheez plan.
1) Step back from Ogre King (is this just to take advantage of our speed?)
2) Remember we have poison hands and thick gauntlets.
3) Climb off DL:1.

OPTION 1:
Ascend to D:41? Collect potions from vault.
Do Earth Temple
Do Mana Temple
Descend to D:50

OPTION 2:
Descend to Mana Temple (and do it)
Ascend to D:41? Collect potions from vault
Do Earth Temple
Descend to D:50

Option 2: saves some repeat of the UL1-UL3, but Earth Temple is generally better to do before mana temple.
Earth Temple is on D:43, so climbing to D:41 doesn't seem like a big waste in order to get potions.

[Cactus]

1) Yes, you have something like 120/400 HP, so better fight hit&run style and not let enemies get a chance to hit back. Unless you get surrounded of course.
2) The only healing method atm is the water orb, and without elemental gauntlets due to the cursed thick ones that is not really a good option. But due to scars corruption, natural regen is quite ok to at least heal in between fights.
3) When climbing off DL:1 there's a stash immediately on the one tile behind the closed door. I picked up a lot of stuff from the blue dragon caves, so you can decide what to keep. Most of it will be quite useless now. If we manage to convert an altar, the heaps of gold can be put to good use though...
Don't know how many potions are there and if it's worth. Some are on D:37, but that would be behind air temple (better not enter that level)

[Harwin]

Szopin/Gordon - do you want to play your original characters? (Szopin, this would give you Groucho, right? And Gordon you'd get Sturm Flut?)
Or do you want something else?

[szopin]

Szopin/Gordon - do you want to play your original characters? (Szopin, this would give you Groucho, right? And Gordon you'd get Sturm Flut?)
Or do you want something else?

I'm cool with any of the chars. If you guys have preference take your picks

[GordonOverkill]

Finishing Sturm Flut sounds fine to me!

[Harwin]

Ok well, since other teams seem to be doing the "play your original character", I'm going to suggest we do the same.
Cactus - Lanthir (you said you'd be willing to play him)
Gordon - Sturm Flut
Szopin - Groucho
Harwin - Munn'sheez (this is *not* my original character, it's Silfir's. But Silfir left. I may play Misty anyway to get him in my highscore list, but I'd like a character with a chance, and Silfir doesn't want him)

That sound ok?

[szopin]

Ok well, since other teams seem to be doing the "play your original character", I'm going to suggest we do the same.
Cactus - Lanthir (you said you'd be willing to play him)
Gordon - Sturm Flut
Szopin - Groucho
Harwin - Munn'sheez (this is *not* my original character, it's Silfir's. But Silfir left. I may play Misty anyway to get him in my highscore list, but I'd like a character with a chance, and Silfir doesn't want him)

That sound ok?

Sounds good to me

[Harwin]

BTW - if someone *does* decide to try Mistanarius - I have some ideas.

1) We're Raven Born - The Rune-Covered Trident is an EXCELLENT weapon for us now that we're allowed to get it ( we have water breathing and teleport control )
2) If you could hit level 30 you could try converting to N (since we're not a champion yet) and doing the Unicorn quest. If you turn that quest in AFTER doing the WDC for the RCT, then we'll lose all of our corruptions (including stiff muscles), which will remove our major clock.
3) You might even be able to gamble in the casino before turning in the unicorn quest for cash, since you're dumping all corruptions anyway. At that point we have enough gold (with casino) to convert back to C- and probably get crowned, and now we can afford the corruptions.

[Harwin]

Question:
How do I check how many scars I have? (The .vlg says I have 8)
How do I use gelee royal to cure them? Just eat it?


Edit:
Much bigger question:
I've spent 2000 moves and haven't been able to kill the ASB. I converted the Earth Temple altar, and blessed all our water(6), and used one of them to bless a scroll of Identify and ID everything.

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                            Character Information
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Munn'sheez    St:41  Le:18  Wi:20  Dx:35  To:25  Ch: 5  Ap: 1  Ma:13  Pe:13
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DV/PV: 114/27   H: 85(445)   P: 106(106)   Exp: 31/5874267   M: 55015
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                                  Inventory
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Total weight: 4427 stones                Carrying capacity: 8175 stones

Head          : uncursed helm of mental stability [+0, +1] {Le+1}    [100s]
Neck          : uncursed amulet of protection +2                       [3s]
Body          : uncursed adamantium scale mail (-1, -2) [+3, +8]     [288s]
Girdle        : uncursed adamantium girdle [+0, +3]                   [18s]
Cloak         : blessed cloak of Oman (+2, +0) [+4, +4] {Dx+8}        [20s]
Right Hand    : -
Left Hand     : -
Right Ring    : blessed ring of the High Kings [+2, +3]                [1s]
Left Ring     : uncursed ring of invisibility                          [1s]
Bracers       : -
Gauntlets     : cursed thick gauntlets (-1, -2) [+3, +1]              [15s]
Boots         : uncursed light boots [+0, +3]                         [20s]
Missile Weapon: cursed rune-covered sling "Whirlwind" (+12, +12)       [3s]
Missiles      : heap of 3 uncursed rocks (+0, 1d4+1)                  [15s]
Tool          : uncursed Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire {St+10}         [100s]


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                                    Stuff
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Total weight: 3843 stones   Carrying capacity: 8175 stones

Helmets ('[')
   uncursed helm of water breathing [+0, +1]                          [30s]
   uncursed adamantium cap [+0, +2]                                   [36s]
   uncursed helm of water breathing [+0, +4]                          [30s]
   uncursed eternium cap [+0, +4]                                     [28s]
Armor ('[')
   blessed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8}                     [60s]
Gauntlets ('[')
   uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3]                     [10s]
   uncursed boxing gloves (+3, -5) [+2, +1]                            [6s]
   uncursed gloves (+1, +1) [+1, +0]                                   [6s]
Cloaks ('[')
   uncursed cloak of protection [+0, +1]                              [20s]
   uncursed cloak of protection [+0, +4]                              [20s]
   uncursed cloak of defense [+3, +0]                                 [20s]
   uncursed leather cloak (-1, +0) [+1, +0]                           [40s]
Girdles ('[')
   uncursed girdle of carrying [+0, +0]                               [15s]
   uncursed adamantium girdle [+0, +3]                                [18s]
   uncursed girdle of strength [+0, +0] {St+4}                        [15s]
Boots ('[')
   uncursed adamantium boots [+0, +0]                                 [89s]
Necklaces (''')
   uncursed rusty necklace of the eye                                  [3s]
   heap of 2 blessed amulets of order                                  [6s]
   uncursed rusty amulet of perseverance {Wi+3}                        [3s]
   heap of 2 uncursed amulets of light                                 [6s]
   uncursed amulet of speed (+3 spd)                                   [3s]
   uncursed necklace of the eye                                        [3s]
   uncursed amulet of perseverance {Wi+3}                              [3s]
   uncursed amulet of protection from undead                           [3s]
   uncursed amulet of balance                                          [3s]
   uncursed amulet of perseverance {Wi+3}                              [3s]
   cursed amulet of health                                             [3s]
   blessed amulet of the cold heart {Ch-9}                             [3s]
   heap of 2 uncursed necklaces of rabies resistance                   [4s]
   uncursed pendant of mana {Ma+2}                                     [3s]
   blessed amulet of health                                            [3s]
   uncursed amulet of protection +2                                    [3s]
   uncursed amulet of the cold heart {Ch-10}                           [3s]
   uncursed brass amulet                                               [3s]
   blessed amulet of luck                                              [8s]
   uncursed amulet of defense +2                                       [3s]
   blessed necklace of rabies resistance                               [2s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
   uncursed pick axe (+0, 1d6-2)                                      [75s]
   uncursed pick axe (+1, 1d6+1)                                      [75s]
   blessed pick axe of surrendering (-1, 1d6+1)                       [75s]
   uncursed mace of destruction (+4, 5d6+6)                          [120s]
   blessed adamantium sabre (+5, 1d6+11)                              [22s]
   uncursed mithril dagger (+0, 1d4+3)                                 [8s]
   uncursed pick axe (+0, 1d6+1)                                      [75s]
Missile weapons ('}')
   uncursed short bow (+1, +0)                                        [20s]
   blessed light crossbow of accuracy (+8, +0)                        [70s]
   blessed short bow (+4, +0)                                         [20s]
   uncursed long bow of accuracy (+8, +2)                             [30s]
   uncursed short bow (+2, +0)                                        [20s]
Missiles ('/')
   (CHOP CHOP)
   bundle of 5 uncursed quarrels of construct slaying (+3, 2d6+3)     [20s]
   bundle of 2 uncursed arrows of construct slaying (+3, 1d6+3)        [4s]
   bundle of 8 uncursed arrows of demon slaying (+3, 1d6)             [16s]
   bundle of 5 uncursed arrows of demon slaying (+6, 1d6+3)           [10s]
   bundle of 2 blessed quarrels of demon slaying (+3, 2d6+3)           [8s]
   bundle of 8 blessed quarrels of demon slaying (+5, 2d6+2)          [32s]
   bundle of 6 uncursed arrows of dragon slaying (+6, 1d6+3)          [12s]
   bundle of 5 uncursed quarrels of giant slaying (+3, 2d8+3)         [20s]
   bundle of 14 uncursed quarrels of demon slaying (+3, 2d6+3)        [56s]
   bundle of 7 uncursed quarrels of dragon slaying (+3, 2d6+3)        [28s]
   bundle of 6 uncursed quarrels of humanoid slaying (+3, 2d6+5)      [24s]
   bundle of 5 uncursed arrows of dragon slaying (+3, 1d6+3)          [10s]
   cursed rock (+2, 1d4)                                               [5s]
Tools (']')
Rings ('=')
   blessed ring of cold resistance                                     [1s]
   uncursed rusty ring of the clear mind                               [1s]
   blessed ring of damage                                              [1s]
   uncursed ring of mental stability [+0, +1] {Le+1}                   [1s]
   uncursed rusty ring of speed [+0, +1] (+5 spd)                      [1s]
   heap of 2 uncursed rings of damage                                  [2s]
   uncursed ring of speed [+0, +1] (+5 spd)                            [1s]
   uncursed ring of slaying (+6 melee damage, +6 missile damage)       [1s]
   uncursed ring of damage                                             [1s]
   heap of 2 uncursed brass rings                                      [2s]
   uncursed ring of teleport control                                   [1s]
   uncursed ring of karmic absorption                                  [1s]
   uncursed ring of stun resistance                                    [1s]
   uncursed ring of the clear mind                                     [1s]
   blessed ring of acid resistance                                     [1s]
   uncursed ring of searching                                          [1s]
   uncursed ring of protection +1                                      [1s]
   uncursed ring of slaying (+5 melee damage, +6 missile damage)       [1s]
   uncursed ring of invisibility                                       [1s]
   uncursed wedding ring                                               [1s]
   uncursed ring of damage                                             [1s]
Wands ('\')
   uncursed rusty wand of magic missiles (0 charges)                   [3s]
   uncursed wand of light (7 charges)                                  [4s]
   uncursed rusty wand of fire (0 charges)                             [4s]
   uncursed wand of wonder (1 charge)                                  [3s]
   uncursed wand of wonder (2 charges)                                 [3s]
   uncursed wand of teleportation (0 charges)                          [4s]
   uncursed wand of monster creation (8 charges)                       [3s]
   uncursed wand of cold (2 charges)                                   [4s]
   uncursed wand of digging (0 charges)                                [3s]
   cursed wand of door creation (3 charges)                            [3s]
   uncursed wand of trap detection (1 charge)                          [3s]
   uncursed wand of poison (0 charges)                                 [3s]
   uncursed wand of light (9 charges)                                  [4s]
   uncursed wand of lightning (2 charges)                              [4s]
   uncursed wand of trap detection (7 charges)                         [3s]
   cursed wand of lightning (1 charge)                                 [4s]
   uncursed wand of poison (0 charges)                                 [3s]
   uncursed wand of fire (1 charge)                                    [4s]
   uncursed wand of door creation (7 charges)                          [3s]
   uncursed wand of door creation (0 charges)                          [3s]
   uncursed wand of ball lightning (2 charges)                         [4s]
   uncursed wand of acid (0 charges)                                   [4s]
   uncursed wand of gold detection (4 charges)                         [6s]
   uncursed wand of monster detection (1 charge)                       [3s]
Potions ('!')
   heap of 8 uncursed potions of poison                               [32s]
   heap of 6 blessed potions of poison                                [24s]
   uncursed potion of training                                         [2s]
   cursed potion of boost strength                                     [2s]
   uncursed potion of boost mana                                       [2s]
   uncursed potion of uselessness                                      [2s]
   cursed potion of potential dexterity                                [4s]
   heap of 2 uncursed potions of balance                               [8s]
   heap of 5 potions of holy water                                    [20s]
   uncursed potion of carrot juice                                     [4s]
   heap of 2 uncursed potions of cure poison                           [4s]
   uncursed potion of healing                                          [4s]
Scrolls ('?')
   heap of 5 uncursed scrolls of power                                [10s]
   heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of ill fate                              [4s]
   blessed scroll of identify                                          [2s]
   uncursed scroll of increase melee damage                            [2s]
   uncursed blank scroll                                               [2s]
   heap of 4 uncursed scrolls of charging                              [8s]
   uncursed scroll of monster aggravation                              [2s]
   cursed scroll of gold detection                                     [2s]
   heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of item detection                        [4s]
   cursed scroll of charging                                           [2s]
   cursed scroll of vermin control                                     [2s]
   uncursed scroll of darkness                                         [2s]
   uncursed scroll of monster detection                                [2s]
Food ('%')
   heap of 3 cursed curaria mancox herbs                               [6s]
   heap of 13 cursed cooked lizards                                   [39s]
   heap of 6 cursed moss patches of mareilon                          [12s]
   cursed lump of gelee royal                                          [3s]
   cursed bit of plain candy                                           [2s]
   uncursed loaf of bread                                             [40s]
   heap of 2 uncursed iron rations                                   [200s]
   uncursed dwarven sausage                                           [20s]
   iron ration                                                       [100s]

Problems:
1) Food. I've been wearing 4 artifacts AND being invisible a lot. I dumped the AMW when I remembered, but that's still invisible. I can *finally* take off these thick gauntlets now that I have water, but that's one of them. I'm low on food, and what we have has typically been cursed.
2) I just got hit and am somewhat low on health. Not super dangerous, but I hate to spend piety on a prayer.
3) Hurting the ASB. I haven't been able to to do much to it, but I several options now: (He's on the level upstairs, by himself, one blank space from stairs)
a) - Put on both rings of slaying and melee him. I could occasionally wound him before - the extra damage should be able to handle it.
b) - Charge the wand of poison and shoot him with it. (Not sure if he's immune)
c) - Bless Whirlwind (to uncurse and swap to xbow) and shoot him with construct slaying

I think I need to use 3 potions of holy water: Lizards, Gauntlets, Whirlwind. I *might* want to bless the royal gelee at some point, making 4. Does that seem right?

[Cactus]

Great job so far. Having an altar again is great!

I would slay the ASB with all the demon slaying arrows and quarrels and both rings of slaying equipped. All orb guardians are demons. Your movement reduction should allow you to keep the distance if there is enough space. Don't remember how the level above earth temple looked like. Is there enough space to run around in a circle, shoot and pick up ammo? Maybe with the wand of digging something like this could be created?

Regarding food maybe you can afford being visible and reduce artifacts to three?

Holy water: A single blessed scroll of uncursing would solve all the problems, but looking for one before tackling the ASB is hardly possible with such a tight turncount... So I agree with blessing gauntlets and whirlwind.

From my limited experience with gelee royal, it's maybe not worth it. I only once ate an uncursed lump while having many scars and got Dx+1. Maybe it has to be blessed, maybe it works over time, but maybe it's just crap. Your Dx is still 35, so I'd wait with that anyway.