Feedback of my first challenge of the week

[Al-Khwarizmi]

And BTW: You can always use Ctrl-n m to get back to the old ultra-statistical mode.

Phew, good to know, at least with that I'll be able to get past the SMC in r53! With the minimal UI I keep dying

[Soirana]

I'm not sure I 100% agree with the HP display issue. Most modern games have health bars without numerical scores.

So called modern games don't usually have big difference in that HP number, at least not Adom like difference.
[I mean if health bar is at certain point player can have reasonable expectations about what is survivable.]

Troll at 20%HP likely can plow through extra tension room in low level area, while [mist] elf would be in quite a danger.
Comes with a race of course, but how does mention casual player figure why this is happening?

p.s. f10 into "ctrl-n m" sounds good. Is there also shortcut to kill off music? Cause it is cute but sword jangling for 50+times gets boring rather fast.

[Dogbreath]

+1 to Soirana's comment about health bars.

As far as going back to the old statistical UI: I don't think the argument here is old vs. new. I think I speak for most people here by saying I like the graphical enhancements to the UI, especially the scrolling message buffer (which needs a few quirks ironed out) and the tactics being reflected by DV color, and other things. And if you read my post in the previous page of this thread, you can see some ideas for one way to reflect *all* of that statistical data in a graphical, minimalistic-yet-effective way.

The real issue here is the current UI is utterly illogical with what it chooses to display and not display, and it hides extremely important information that makes the game less accessible, not more. The only problem with the old UI was that it was outdated in the way it portrayed this information. There was nothing wrong with the amount of information being portrayed - indeed, I can't think of a single newbie (and I've seen and talked to a *lot* in the past 14 years) who has ever complained about the amount of information on the main screen. It's all pretty intuitive and important.

So basically, you're trying to fix a problem that isn't really there and creating a much bigger one in the process. The <more> prompt was a huge problem and I'm glad it was fixed. The stats - or alignment display, or dungeon display, or burden display, hunger display, or speed display - was a problem that absolutely nobody complained about, so I'm baffled why it needs to be "fixed."

[adom-admin]

We are now trying to have R54 out at the weekend and I believe that you will be very pleased with the UI additions. It's been a leap forward and I think it was worth it to start from scratch with the minimized Steam UI. Even though it was universally hated ;-) You will see that a number of UI improvements now are available that we probably never would have thought about without the fresh restart!

[Dogbreath]

Oh, everyone liked the new UI just fine. We just wanted more of it.

[GordonOverkill]

Sounds very promising! Got a completely free Saturday ahead of me, so I am very much looking forward to experience the latest changes :-)

[Dogbreath]

My birthday is Sunday, sounds like a perfect birthday present.

[GordonOverkill]

Just by the way, will R53 save games fit with the new version? Got a nice hurthling paladin who's very likely going to be my first winner on steam (at level 18 he's got PV 45 (including robes of resistance) and he is wielding Justifier). If I cannot play him on the next version, I'll have to finish the run during the week ;-)

[adom-admin]

Just by the way, will R53 save games fit with the new version? Got a nice hurthling paladin who's very likely going to be my first winner on steam (at level 18 he's got PV 45 (including robes of resistance) and he is wielding Justifier). If I cannot play him on the next version, I'll have to finish the run during the week ;-)

They should (everything else would have to be considered a bug). A while ago Jochen rewrote the wholesale game code and we now try to take care and keep save files compatible. Anything else probably would seriously annoy users who get auto-updates via Steam so we had no choice and I had to give up 20 years of freedom ;-)

[GordonOverkill]

Sadly the char just got lost. Game crashed (NotEye crash) after killing the Snake From Beyond. Kind of was my own fault. I was asked if I wanted to continue playing normally, play in save mode or some other options. I decided to play normally, just to find out if it works. So next time I'll try the save mode ;-)