Trying again without savescum

[blunk]

Uncursed carrot juice only gives 3 points, you need to drink a blessed one for the +5. What i usually do, when i have enough carrot juice, i drink blessed ones to get Pe to 20, then hope for a room with smell of carrots.

Don't forget to give Blup some carrot juice for the Swimming skill.

Also, next time you decide to play an Archer, start with Raven starsign and try to get the RCT at lvl 16 (you need some charges of tele and some means to survive under water for about 4-5 turns - just get in and teleport 36, if i am not mistaken, swuares to the left and speak to the Dragon).

Slaying ammo from fletching is your luck, i never got it myself. With Sun's Messenger and a wand of tele and some potions of booze, i'd try some gravedigging. Just teleport away in case of trouble and shoot them with any blessed ammo (unerring would be perfect).

If you get lucky and find Thunderstroke or True Aim, your Dex will train fast enough .

Have fun and good luck, DE Archers are extremely powerful once you get going. Just avoid some places like Bug Temple and you should be fine.

I did use blessed carrot juice in the special room but I think I had 19 PE before I drank it. Got me to 22 and one more later.

Yes I have swim, helm of wb and done quest. (good thing I had more than 2 tele charges because first tele got screwed up from occupied space)

I only skip a few startsigns I really dislike (bonus for neutral casters comes to mind).

I did gravedigging in aboveground graveyard and oneshot master liches (one missed shot).
Had wand of tele + control if need be.

I don't have bugtemple, it requires a certain amount of deaths.
With different pc's over the years, reinstall of adom etc I'm not there yet.

An item that I've learned to value more is bracers of resistance, found one somewhat early, now blessed and rustproofed.

[blunk]

Did first part of ice queens quest, all fine and dandy but is there a lvl limit to how late I can do the second Ice queen quest?
I want to up my str (17/20) some before getting the +2 reward.

Was a greater undead vault in fgjc5 and I'm not up to snuff yet for that (got one lich king then too many nasty monsters spawned).
Got an rds so will save khalavaster, probably proceed down to fire lock then do tower and after that look back at undead vault (no dunno what items spawned).

[Dlightfull]

Did first part of ice queens quest, all fine and dandy but is there a lvl limit to how late I can do the second Ice queen quest?
I want to up my str (17/20) some before getting the +2 reward.

Was a greater undead vault in fgjc5 and I'm not up to snuff yet for that (got one lich king then too many nasty monsters spawned).
Got an rds so will save khalavaster, probably proceed down to fire lock then do tower and after that look back at undead vault (no dunno what items spawned).

there is no upper limit that i know of. I usually get that stats reweard very late, i think i got it once at lvl 30 or even more.

Well, if you have enough ammo (and by enough i mean lots of it, especially undead slaying for the liches), you can try to do the undead vault, as an archer it shouldn't be too difficult, especially if you have some perma invisibility.

[blunk]

there is no upper limit that i know of. I usually get that stats reweard very late, i think i got it once at lvl 30 or even more.

Well, if you have enough ammo (and by enough i mean lots of it, especially undead slaying for the liches), you can try to do the undead vault, as an archer it shouldn't be too difficult, especially if you have some perma invisibility.

Did TOEF, some black dragons on upper lvl.
2 shot on the acw but lost corpse, I wanted to eat

Cleaned some of darkforge in search of better armour (found white dragon scale).

I decided to go back for the undead vault.
4 emperor liches and 3-4 lich kings down, dont remember how many there usually are but quite a lot as I recall. Emp liches are 2-shot.
Monster summons are crazy as expected but ....
Moved up above to eat and possibly swap for invis ring, not sure if it'll be better, undeads and a lot of nasty stuff see invis anyway , one notable exception is maybe annihilators.
Using ring of mental stability and high kings now (also got ring of slaying as option).

Question, I'm shock immune from crowning, does that mean its save using wand of ball lightning or does it nuke inventory?

[ahpla]

Question, I'm shock immune from crowning, does that mean its save using wand of ball lightning or does it nuke inventory?

leave all the items you dont want to be destroyed on the stairs of the previous level, shock immunity does not protect your backpack

i lost 7 blessed scrolls of cure corruption by not taking the time and just drop what wass precious before i entered the blue dragon caves yesterday

good luck

[blunk]

leave all the items you dont want to be destroyed on the stairs of the previous level, shock immunity does not protect your backpack

i lost 7 blessed scrolls of cure corruption by not taking the time and just drop what wass precious before i entered the blue dragon caves yesterday

good luck

Ty for that info I was guessing that was the case.
Now, I got an invisible stalker corpse, ate it and got perma invis instead of see invis.
I also found bracers of war, cleaning out the rest was then just a matter of grinding.
I attacked stone ooze twice! the second got me down a bit too low on hps for my liking.
Somewhere I lost a few points of stats, nothing gamebreaking.
I also got Ice queens stat reward after because well ... I got a game to finish.

Will probably drink other stat potions after casino.

Question, supposed to be one,two or random amount of artifacts in a greater vault?
I did some extra rounds killing off stragglers and could "only" find bracers of war. There is of course a small chance a noncorporeal picked up an arti an me killing it in the wall.

[Joe]

The amount of artifacts depends on the vault layout I think. Both 1, 2 and 4 are possible. Posting a map of the level would probably help; it might be that you missed some secret chambers that contain artifacts. Zapping a wand of item detection could help you.

[blunk]

The amount of artifacts depends on the vault layout I think. Both 1, 2 and 4 are possible. Posting a map of the level would probably help; it might be that you missed some secret chambers that contain artifacts. Zapping a wand of item detection could help you.

No hidden, layout was the middle vault in this link http://adomgb.sweb.cz/adomgb-0-13-gvaults.html except mine was from left to right.

[Blasphemous]

Greater vault layout has no impact on the amount of artifacts at all.
It's all random.
I have tested it some time ago and I have reloaded the game and generated vaults after vaults, many times over.
Each shape can have 1-4 artifacts and that's how many spots are technically "reserved" for artifacts.
Sometimes a vault will have only one artifact, sometimes the same shape and the same type of monsters will have 2, 3 or 4.

[blunk]

Thanks, good to know.

Another first in this game I forgot to mention, I got a useful skill from pot of education! Food preservation.

Casino was unusually crappy, I was able to scramble together 300k which got me the things I wanted.
Good item of note was ring of see invis (esp when not using mummy wrap as armour).

Chugged all stat potions.

5 cats dead, Cat lord spawned next to me in entry room, I survived his attacks, went up, tele, see invis and let the arrows do their work.

Stopped at Air temple.