greater vaults

[Blasphemous]

Speaking of karmic dragony type things, don't you get a lot more treasure from them?

I didn't notice. If there is a higher amount of treasure from karmics, it must be by a very small margin.

Although I could swear I recall doing greater black dragons, which was pain in the ass due to item destruction...

I recall a greater black dragon vault as well, also in 1.1.1.

I had a greater karmic vault with my first ever legit win with a Drakeling Paladin. (...) D:35 had the vault.

Apparently vault type somehow correlates to level on which it's generated. I remember somebody mentioning once that karmic vaults are so rare because they can only be generated as random vaults.
That's because the guaranteed vaults are on levels that only support a particular type and karmic is not one of those.
D:35 would be reasonable since it's lower DL than the guaranteed D:45-46 GV.
Fire creatures are considered the most powerful of elemental beings, which is why in very high DL areas, that's the prevalent kind. That's true both for CoC and FGJC.
That would be about right, with fire giant kings almost on par with titans, fire elementals tougher than all other elementals and of course legendary great red wyrms that can blind-rage kill an end game char in melee.

PC:7 had a surge of power with whirlwind which I used quite a bit during the game.

PC has 6 levels. It's not unheard of, that a low DL artifact drops in PC:6 vault though. I got scorched spear there once, which was of tremendous help at that stage of the game.

[Carter]

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Which corresponds well to my memories than I went through Steam achievements, can't recall last time I saw non red dragon vault.

edit: Well, again, maybe I am mixing minor/greater vaults. Although I could swear I recall doing greater black dragons, which was pain in the ass due to item destruction...

there is one configuration of the lesser vault that has a huge amount of monsters, (the more open one) which can easily be confused as a greater vault. That definitely has red/white/black/blue wyrms in largish quantities too.

[Carter]

I had a greater karmic vault with my first ever legit win with a Drakeling Paladin. PC:7 had a surge of power with whirlwind which I used quite a bit during the game. D:33 had an ant hole that I left alone (had intrinsic invis) and they destroyed the entire level. D:35 had the vault. Whirlwind + hundreds of stones = happy Paladin.

The only vaults I've seen to my recollection was Karmic, Undead, Red Dragon, Giant/Titan... would be great to have more variety in those

the only time i had a karmic was in the 30s too - interesting.

[Carter]

I've run quick test on r60:
10-red
8-giants
12-undead.

makes me suspect Karmic vaults are bugged and don't appear any more.

[Soirana]

Apparently vault type somehow correlates to level on which it's generated. I remember somebody mentioning once that karmic vaults are so rare because they can only be generated as random vaults.
That's because the guaranteed vaults are on levels that only support a particular type and karmic is not one of those.

Let's clear few things:
Wyrms of any kind (karmic and elemental) are same DL. Same goes for ancient dragons. Emperor lichs are a tad higher, and titans (regular) are tad lower.

I ma not sure what random/guaranteed means in regards of greater vaults. All greater vaults are predetermined on char generation.

Another theory used to be that first dragon vault is always red and others randomized, but that char I checked on had red dragon vault in frost giant caves and still got bunch of red dragon vaults on d44...

makes me suspect Karmic vaults are bugged and don't appear any more.

If they are something like 1/10... 30 cases don 't prove anything. I've filled a bug report maybe we at least get enlightenment on the topic.

edit:
i've searched a bit on rgra and HoF forums... I did not found any to reliable mentions about non red dragon greater vaults... maybe it's just memory issue and they never existed.

[Rick]

Never saw a Greater Vault different from the three varieties Undeads/Giants/FIRE Dragons. I think in newest versions never appears anymore something different...never happened in hundreds games (I'm still in R59), when I found two dragons vaults, are two RED dragon vaults (it's when I'm happy for the massive XP boost)..would be nice some more randomization...

[blunk]

Same character (human barb) got another GUV in Coc which I also skipped.
Resulted in this artifact list:
the elven long bow "Sun's Messenger" (D49)
the scorched spear (random drop)
the mighty morning star "Grod" (Crowning)
the ring of immunity (Casino)
the silver key (GUV)
the gauntlets of eternal peace "Shezestriakis" (GUV)
the Shirt of the Saints (GUV)
the bracers of war (GUV)
the rune-covered halberd "Wyrmlance" (GUV)

Bracers and shirt were in same GUV on D40.

[Blasphemous]

I ma not sure what random/guaranteed means in regards of greater vaults. All greater vaults are predetermined on char generation.

Indeed, all GVs are determined upon char creation (their location, not monster type, layout or artifacts) but even then, two are always guaranteed - FGJC5 and D:45-46.

Sometimes however, you will also get another greater vault at around D:30-35, which is very rare.
That is the only one as far as I know, that can be karmic.
Again, it's very rare but this one I consider "random", since it's not guaranteed to appear in every game, while the other two are.

[Mansku]

Indeed, all GVs are determined upon char creation (their location, not monster type, layout or artifacts) but even then, two are always guaranteed - FGJC5 and D:45-46.

I can't remember which version I was playing, but a few months ago I was making my way to D50 from Casino. Got two greater vaults. My PC crashed and I resumed play from the .bak file and the vaults weren't there anymore.

[_Ln_]

Indeed, all GVs are determined upon char creation (their location, not monster type, layout or artifacts) but even then, two are always guaranteed - FGJC5 and D:45-46.

Sometimes however, you will also get another greater vault at around D:30-35, which is very rare.
That is the only one as far as I know, that can be karmic.
Again, it's very rare but this one I consider "random", since it's not guaranteed to appear in every game, while the other two are.

I hit 4 CoC GVs in one of the 1.1.1 games. I would assume the same can happen in the current version.