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    Default YAProgress Thread - itemless

    Inspired by the recent CarbonFiber attempts and the TH flamewar, I'm trying to see if I can win without items at all (an obvious exception is made for picking up and inserting Chaos Orbs into anomalies; a less obvious exception must be made for digging tools and fireproof blankets). I don't actually know if this is possible, which is part of the appeal here. Note that no items means no missiles and no spellbooks, which means that if a ranged attack is desired, it is necessary to take drakeling, elementalist, or mindcrafter (in principle bards and wizards can get attack spells, but this is not guaranteed for bards or wizards below level 50, and neither class is well suited for an itemless early game). I'm currently trying with a drakish mindcrafter (Falcon).

    A few random strategic notes:

    * Food is the major concern here. I can stay Bloated as long as I have access to the wilderness, but in dungeons I have to rely on rations on the ground and corpses. Without the RotHK I will need to go from D:1 all the way to D:50 without a break to apply survival; this may require setting upa few refueling stations (rat factories, most likely). The Banshee's corpseyard will likely be very important here.

    * ToEF is the closest temple to the surface, so will not have major food issues. Between 250 speed and confusion, I don't anticipate issues with the Wyrm, but between lack of fire resistance equipment and heat damage I expectto take about 2/turn in damage; prayers will almost certainly be needed.

    * Without familiar summoning, food, or gold, companions are out of the question, with the possible exception of Hawkslayer.

    So far I've explored the first two levels of the village dungeon, killed Jharod, installed Healing; VD 1 and 2 have altars, while attempting to convert one to my alignment I got Doomed, now that doom has been removed I'm feeling good enough to post a vlg (almost unsnipped!):


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    Itls0000 St:16 Le: 9 Wi:17 Dx:14 To:14 Ch:13 Ap: 5 Ma:13 Pe:11 C
    DV/PV: 19/1 H: 56(61) P: 41(41) Exp: 8/8688 VD: 1 Sp: 100
    Coward
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    Character Information
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    Itls0000 St:16 Le: 9 Wi:17 Dx:14 To:14 Ch:13 Ap: 5 Ma:13 Pe:11 C
    DV/PV: 19/1 H: 56(61) P: 41(41) Exp: 8/8688 M: 6082

    // No herbs means these stats will haunt me for a while yet. To can be
    // improved a bit by farming hill orcs, and I *might* eat the Oracle, but
    // I'm not sure if I can usefully improve any of the others. Without
    // alignment-twiddling equipment C seems the best option for not falling;
    // it *does* rule out Hawkslayer and the unicorn quest though.
    //
    // Yes I left 4 digits for the # of tries. I may need them all.


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    Name: Itls0000 Race: female Drakeling Class: Mindcrafter
    Eye color: light blue Hair color: bald Complexion: light blue
    Height: 5' Weight: 130 pounds
    Age: 26 (grown-up)
    Star sign: Falcon Birthday: 22/Falcon (day 232 of the year)

    YOUR HISTORY:
    Your parents belong to the lower class. They were honest
    hard-working people, who did everything to enable you to live a
    comfortable and fine life. They were not very successful.
    As a child you lived through happy days. Your parents tried to ease
    your life as much as possible and gave you a lot of comfort.
    During your youth you had a lot of fun playing with other kids of
    your age. You always were a natural leader and the center of interest.
    As a young adult you tried many occupations before finally deciding
    on one to pursue. This has left you with a very broad base of lore.
    You decided to become a Mindcrafter.


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    Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
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    Unarmed fighting 2 +2 +0 +0 basic 7


    Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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    Right hand: +2 bonus to hit, 1d3-2 damage
    // Mindcrafters are not monks or beastfighters


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    Skills
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    Alertness ................ 45 (fair) [+4d4]
    Climbing ................. 36 (fair) [+1d5]
    Concentration ............100 (superb) [+2d4]
    First aid ................ 39 (fair) [+2d4]
    Food preservation ........ 54 (good) [+1]
    Gemology ................. 42 (fair) [+3d5]
    Haggling ................. 24 (mediocre) [+4d5]
    Healing .................. 62 (good) [+1]
    Herbalism ................ 12 (mediocre) [+3d4]
    Listening ................ 35 (fair) [+4d4]
    Literacy ................. 62 (good) [+3d4]
    Music .................... 22 (mediocre) [+3d3]
    Stealth .................. 23 (mediocre) [+3d4]
    Survival ................. 36 (fair) [+2d4]
    Swimming ................. 43 (fair) [+2d4]




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    Inventory
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    Total weight: 0 stones Carrying capacity: 1650 stones

    Head : -
    Neck : -
    Body : -
    Girdle : -
    Cloak : -
    Right Hand : -
    Left Hand : -
    Right Ring : -
    Left Ring : -
    Bracers : -
    Gauntlets : -
    Boots : -
    Missile weapon: -
    Missiles : -
    Tool : -


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    Stuff
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    Total weight: 0 stones Carrying capacity: 1650 stones

    (nothing)


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    Killed Monsters
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    166 monsters perished under her attacks.

    The following monsters were vanquished:
    1 bandit
    2 beggars
    8 black hurthlings
    1 claw bug
    2 cutpurses
    1 giant bat
    1 giant centipede
    1 giant frog
    9 giant rats
    1 gnoll
    10 goblins
    16 goblin rockthrowers
    1 goblin slavemaster
    1 healer
    6 hobgoblins
    1 homunculus
    1 jackal
    15 kobolds
    45 large bats
    1 mugger
    19 orcs
    5 outlaws
    6 pit vipers
    2 rabid dogs
    5 rats
    1 ratling archer
    3 skeletons
    1 wolf



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    Achievements
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    She survived for 0 years, 19 days, 6 hours, 39 minutes and 32 seconds (6082
    turns).
    Itls0000 visited 7 places.
    Her learning score was modified by -3 during her career.
    Her willpower score was modified by -2 during her career.
    Her appearance score was modified by -3 during her career.
    // Kranf Nienst

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    Got crowned, mainly for the +1 PV and half prayer cost; also got exhale sulfur (does this do anything for drakelings?) and 12 eyes, and oh yeah fire immunity. On the ground is a sapphire ring. Also killed a cat; that ring is an item, so no real loss, but one more boss fight could be an issue.

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    Finished the village dungeon. A wight in a dark room (is it just me, or are stat drain undead disproportionately common on VD:7? I see them 70-80% of the time) knocked off 1 of my soo-precious To, although I seem to have gotten a random +To at some point and I was able to get Iron Skin at level 9. Had to spend a prayer dealing with an unusually nasty batch of pit vipers; I need poison resistance.

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    mana temple will be a bitch
    Wins:

    Lvl 50 Dark Elf Mindcrafter.
    Lvl 50 High Elf Assassin (Dual weilding).
    Lvl 50 Dark Elf Paladin.
    Lvl 50 Gnomish Assassin (Failed ultra turned normal gate closer)
    Lvl 50 Hurthling Thief (ULE).

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    Yes, which is part of why I chose mindcrafter; all I have to do is see him for five turns. Probably I'll want to get him at an off-angle to me, he'll spend most of his time firing ice bolts and shock bolts and trying to confuse me; but mostly I'm waiting to see which combination of pool intrinsics I get (see invisible but no death ray will play out very differently from the reverse).

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    Forgot to mention; when I got crowned, my damage jumped from 1d3+6 to 1d3+9 with no increase in unarmed skill or strength. Normal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sorear View Post
    Forgot to mention; when I got crowned, my damage jumped from 1d3+6 to 1d3+9 with no increase in unarmed skill or strength. Normal?
    blessed status does that if i'm not mistaken.
    Wins:

    Lvl 50 Dark Elf Mindcrafter.
    Lvl 50 High Elf Assassin (Dual weilding).
    Lvl 50 Dark Elf Paladin.
    Lvl 50 Gnomish Assassin (Failed ultra turned normal gate closer)
    Lvl 50 Hurthling Thief (ULE).

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    Puppy cave was a bit nicer to me, level 2 had a scroll shop (ha, ha) and lots of ants; from ant XP I crossed the Food Preservation 60 breakpoint (I don't know if I'll ever reach 90, given the whole no carrying corpses thing); a pool was also found there, and drained for -1 Perception and +1 Strength, resist electricity and petrification. Level 3 handed me a third altar (pre-coaligned) and a tarantula factory (if they summoned more kinds of spiders, I'd hate them less; at least I got PR) showed up on level 4. PC5 had the stairs in adjacent bubbles (yay; crossing the whole length would have been an issue). The PC6 vault was lesser undead, problematic as I couldn't disable them; I had to take several breaks to rest, and food became an issue (luckily a large ration and a piece of dry meat dropped at very good times). Also dropped on PC6 was an onyx ring; considering the danger level and the RNG, I think it's a safe bet that was a rods.


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    Itls0000 St:17 Le: 9 Wi:17 Dx:14 To:14 Ch:11 Ap: 1 Ma:14 Pe:16 C-
    DV/PV: 25/3 H: 73(77) P: 60(60) Exp: 12/58397 Vlge M: 22568
    Blessed Coward
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    Name: Itls0000 Race: female Drakeling Class: Mindcrafter
    Eye color: light blue Hair color: bald Complexion: light blue
    Height: 5' Weight: 130 pounds
    Age: 26 (grown-up)
    Star sign: Falcon Birthday: 22/Falcon (day 232 of the year)

    YOUR HISTORY:
    Your parents belong to the lower class. They were honest
    hard-working people, who did everything to enable you to live a
    comfortable and fine life. They were not very successful.
    As a child you lived through happy days. Your parents tried to ease
    your life as much as possible and gave you a lot of comfort.
    During your youth you had a lot of fun playing with other kids of
    your age. You always were a natural leader and the center of interest.
    As a young adult you tried many occupations before finally deciding
    on one to pursue. This has left you with a very broad base of lore.
    You decided to become a Mindcrafter.


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    Weapon Skills
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    Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
    --------------------- --- --- --- -- ------------- --------------
    Unarmed fighting 7 +4 +3 +2 skilled 380


    Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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    Right hand: +6 bonus to hit, 1d3+1 damage
    // +32, 1d3+12 berserk



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    Skills
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    Alertness ................ 84 (great) [+2d4]
    Climbing ................. 36 (fair) [+1d5]
    Concentration ............100 (superb) [+2d4]
    First aid ................ 51 (good) [+1d3]
    Food preservation ........ 66 (good) [+1]
    Gemology ................. 45 (fair) [+3d5]
    Haggling ................. 24 (mediocre) [+4d5]
    Healing .................. 70 (good) [+1]
    Herbalism ................ 12 (mediocre) [+3d4]
    Listening ................ 40 (fair) [+3d5]
    Literacy ................. 62 (good) [+3d4]
    Music .................... 22 (mediocre) [+3d3]
    Stealth .................. 30 (mediocre) [+3d3]
    Survival ................. 51 (good) [+1d3]
    Swimming ................. 43 (fair) [+2d4]


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    Effects of Corruption
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    You exhale sulphur (Ch: -4).
    You have grown a total of 12 eyes (Ap: -6, Pe: +6).


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    Inventory
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    Tools (']')
    blanket [10s]


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    Killed Monsters
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    623 monsters perished under her attacks.

    The following monsters were vanquished:
    3 bandits
    1 barbarian
    1 barbarian leader
    3 beggars
    3 berserkers
    9 black hurthlings
    6 blink dogs
    1 bugbear
    2 cave lizards
    1 caveman
    1 chaos sister
    2 children
    10 claw bugs
    1 corpse fiend
    2 cutpurses
    2 dark elven archers
    1 dark elven warrior
    1 dark sage
    1 doppleganger
    1 dwarf
    1 fire beetle
    1 fire lizard
    2 floating eyes
    1 gelatinous cube
    2 ghost bats
    24 ghuls
    1 giant ant queen
    18 giant ant warriors
    8 giant ant workers
    5 giant bats
    3 giant centipedes
    2 giant frogs
    2 giant lizards
    1 giant raccoon
    34 giant rats
    1 giant spider
    3 gnolls
    1 gnoll chieftain
    23 goblins
    1 goblin berserker
    34 goblin rockthrowers
    6 goblin slavemasters
    2 goodwives
    4 green slimes
    1 gremlin
    1 healer
    1 hill orc
    2 hippogriffs
    10 hobgoblins
    1 hobgoblin leader
    4 homunculi
    1 huge bat
    1 hyena
    2 jackals
    1 jackalwere
    23 kobolds
    2 kobold chieftains
    1 kobold shaman
    67 large bats
    3 large gnolls
    1 large jackal
    4 large kobolds
    2 large orcs
    7 large spiders
    4 lizard men
    1 mad carpenter
    1 mugger
    1 necromancer
    2 ogres
    32 orcs
    1 orc scorcher
    6 outlaws
    11 pit vipers
    1 pixie
    1 pixie archer
    3 rabid dogs
    2 raiders
    39 rats
    3 ratling archers
    1 ratling thief
    4 ratling warriors
    1 shadow
    1 shadow centipede
    55 skeletons
    2 swordsmen
    16 tarantulas
    1 troll
    2 wererats
    2 werewolves
    3 white worms
    1 wight
    1 wild cat
    16 wolves
    42 zombies



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    Achievements
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    She survived for 0 years, 77 days, 9 hours, 58 minutes and 9 seconds (22568
    turns). // This is going to become a problem
    Itls0000 visited 16 places.
    Her strength score was modified by +1 during her career. // Pool
    Her learning score was modified by -3 during her career. // Nienst
    Her willpower score was modified by -2 during her career. // Nienst
    Her charisma score was modified by +2 during her career. // Missed?
    Her appearance score was modified by -3 during her career. // Nienst
    Her mana score was modified by +1 during her career. // Missed?
    Her perception score was modified by -1 during her career. // Pool

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    > when I got crowned, my damage jumped from 1d3+6 to 1d3+9
    > with no increase in unarmed skill or strength. Normal?

    Yeah, that's one of the things I just recently noticed myself,
    durring my 'ranger' thread. I've even already incorperated it
    into my wiz guide revisions. This looks like a very interesting
    challenge.
    "Whip me!" pleads the adom player. The rng replies... "No."

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    Seems like an interesting challenge. You may need to bend the rules slightly for D:49 as a non-monk though.

    D:50 may also be less than fun having no way to reheat yourself, but it's doable at low speed.
    Hoping to win with every class, doomed. Archer, Barbarian, Bard, Beastfighter, Druid, Elementalist, Farmer, Fighter, Monk, and ULE Priest down.

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