... That one guy is acting like skepticism is a religion you belong to. There is no "skeptics" team. They'd never get around to agreeing they need to form one.
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I think "scepticism" is the wrong term. The guy's a physicist, and when publishing physics results you have to bend over backwards to point out how you could be wrong. Other areas of science don't have the same rigour in publishing, and lead to more sensationalist and less trustworthy articles. These articles can be eventually disproved, but they muddy the water.
The new study does solidify the science of global warming quite significantly. But it was something that was already very well accepted in scientific circles. I mean even NASA studies showed the same thing. If you wanna deny NASA results then join the ranks of weirdos that doubt the moon landings.
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There are three schools of thought upon reading this:
> One-quarter of the $600,000 to do the research came from the Charles Koch Foundation, whose founder is a major funder of skeptic groups and the conservative tea party movement. The Koch brothers, Charles and David, run a large privately held company involved in oil and other industries, producing sizable greenhouse gas emissions.
Muller's research team carefully examined two chief criticisms by skeptics. One is that weather stations are unreliable; the other is that cities, which create heat islands, were skewing the temperature analysis.
1. See, this proves WE were right all along!
2. Bah, it only says urban 'hot spots' weren't scewing the tests and weather stations weren't 'unreliable'.
I wasn't debating those points anyway! 1.6 degree F temperature rise? Wonder how the Earth survived all
the previous rises without all these scientists.
3. I wonder what effect that $600,000.00 would have had if it had gone to planting some trees instead
of... yet another climate study? -_-
Yeah, I'm in the 3 catagory.
It is so difficult to wade through the ocean of stupidity that is produced by the wacko greenies. They promote
windmills, solar, ethanol (*jeez*), carbon capture, so many other ignorant 'viable solutions' to our climate
problems, one tends to discount every idea out of their heads as worthless. There are actually things that
make sense though, here is a sight that seems to be on the right track. I may actually even build one of these
decomposers, as I have the land...
http://mb-soft.com/public3/globalzb.html
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Don't trust science written in Comic Sans, or that is ridiculously pro-American. The pseudo-science on that page is one of the craziest I've ever read.
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I've come to a firm belief that global warming is totally real! After all, the on-going fall season has been the warmest in 50 years...here, in Finland.. ermm.. yes. This must mean something!!1
> Don't trust science written in Comic Sans,
That site has an option along the top of every page, offering
an assortment of fonts to the viewer, an option almost all
other sites lack.
> or that is ridiculously pro-American.
He was pro-American? I didn't notice, but yeah, I can see how
that would disqualify someone from knowing what they are talking
about.
> The pseudo-science on that page is one of the craziest I've ever read.
I've not studied physics beyond what was mandatory, but it
seemed to be this project made logical sense. I did a bit of
searching around and did find demonstrations of this type of
system actually working (and working financially) in real
world applications, which is more than I can say for solar
or wind (well, beyond solar calculators).
What part were you annoyed at particularly. The part where it
states that it takes more energy to create ethanol than can
be extracted from it? From what I saw, the guy was an eco
enthusiast of the highest magnitude, but wasn't willing to
ignore facts just to please other eco enthusiasts. Is that
all it takes to be branded a psuedo scientist these days?
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> the on-going fall season has been the warmest in 50 years...here, in Finland.. ermm.. yes. This must mean something!!1
Doh, this again. "Who are you going to believe, me, or your lying eyes."
If you search this thread, you will find a point where someone else also
tells me "this winter was the warmest on record. Everything is ALWAYS
'the warmest on record' -_- Meanwhile, I'm freezing my lili-white hillbilly
butt off here in KY. "It's just getting warmer everywhere... except
where you live!" I have also been told on this forum, upon mentioning
how clean the KY air is, how bad air polution is 'everywhere except where
you live". Funny enough KY is a state that produces > 95% of its electricity
from coal, but coincidentally has > 95% of its surface area covered in
trees. But I'm sure those things are unrelated. We already know that trees
are a useless, albedo producing plague upon the land. It would make ever
so much more sense to do the scientific and environmentally friendly
thing: cut down all those nasty, albedo producing trees and use the money
for the REAL solution to all our problems... another climate study.
I just got my electric bill today, 11-03-11, for the electricity I used
in October. It's actually still laying here. It shows that I consumed
+10% more electricity than last year (524 Kw/h for a 3 bedroom house,
at $0.085/h) for the same period, despite using all the exact same
appliances as last year. I have already talked to one person earlier
today who said the same thing happened for them. Same appliances, same
rates, just increased Kw/h used. It is just that stinking cold. It got
so cold here in late October, I worried about my pipes freezing. That
was in October! I'd bet that if other people would actually compare
the Kw/h used durring the winter months from year to year, as I do,
they would notice the same thing is happening for them. This is despite
the fact that most houses are becoming more well insulated, as more
people realize that is something that ACTUALLY WORKS.
As an especially irritating side note, the same bill shows a government
forced 'environmental surcharge' of $0.011 onto every Kw/h I used. How
much of this money do you suppose goes toward planting trees? I doubt
any, at least here in KY, as that would be rather like planting sand in
a desert. How much goes toward distributing insulation? I doubt any, as
there are existing governmental programs that already do that, and are
funded through income and sales taxes. How much will go toward
encouraging the use of coal/oil/natural gas as residential heating
sources as opposed to electricity (which is extremely wasteful due to
the multiple conversions and heavy transmittal losses it undergoes). I
doubt any, as that is sooo obviously just pro-American psuedo science.
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