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    ... That one guy is acting like skepticism is a religion you belong to. There is no "skeptics" team. They'd never get around to agreeing they need to form one.
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    I think "scepticism" is the wrong term. The guy's a physicist, and when publishing physics results you have to bend over backwards to point out how you could be wrong. Other areas of science don't have the same rigour in publishing, and lead to more sensationalist and less trustworthy articles. These articles can be eventually disproved, but they muddy the water.

    The new study does solidify the science of global warming quite significantly. But it was something that was already very well accepted in scientific circles. I mean even NASA studies showed the same thing. If you wanna deny NASA results then join the ranks of weirdos that doubt the moon landings.
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    There are three schools of thought upon reading this:

    > One-quarter of the $600,000 to do the research came from the Charles Koch Foundation, whose founder is a major funder of skeptic groups and the conservative tea party movement. The Koch brothers, Charles and David, run a large privately held company involved in oil and other industries, producing sizable greenhouse gas emissions.

    Muller's research team carefully examined two chief criticisms by skeptics. One is that weather stations are unreliable; the other is that cities, which create heat islands, were skewing the temperature analysis.


    1. See, this proves WE were right all along!

    2. Bah, it only says urban 'hot spots' weren't scewing the tests and weather stations weren't 'unreliable'.
    I wasn't debating those points anyway! 1.6 degree F temperature rise? Wonder how the Earth survived all
    the previous rises without all these scientists.

    3. I wonder what effect that $600,000.00 would have had if it had gone to planting some trees instead
    of... yet another climate study? -_-

    Yeah, I'm in the 3 catagory.

    It is so difficult to wade through the ocean of stupidity that is produced by the wacko greenies. They promote
    windmills, solar, ethanol (*jeez*), carbon capture, so many other ignorant 'viable solutions' to our climate
    problems, one tends to discount every idea out of their heads as worthless. There are actually things that
    make sense though, here is a sight that seems to be on the right track. I may actually even build one of these
    decomposers, as I have the land...

    http://mb-soft.com/public3/globalzb.html
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    Don't trust science written in Comic Sans, or that is ridiculously pro-American. The pseudo-science on that page is one of the craziest I've ever read.
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    I've come to a firm belief that global warming is totally real! After all, the on-going fall season has been the warmest in 50 years...here, in Finland.. ermm.. yes. This must mean something!!1

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    > Don't trust science written in Comic Sans,

    That site has an option along the top of every page, offering
    an assortment of fonts to the viewer, an option almost all
    other sites lack.

    > or that is ridiculously pro-American.

    He was pro-American? I didn't notice, but yeah, I can see how
    that would disqualify someone from knowing what they are talking
    about.

    > The pseudo-science on that page is one of the craziest I've ever read.

    I've not studied physics beyond what was mandatory, but it
    seemed to be this project made logical sense. I did a bit of
    searching around and did find demonstrations of this type of
    system actually working (and working financially) in real
    world applications, which is more than I can say for solar
    or wind (well, beyond solar calculators).

    What part were you annoyed at particularly. The part where it
    states that it takes more energy to create ethanol than can
    be extracted from it? From what I saw, the guy was an eco
    enthusiast of the highest magnitude, but wasn't willing to
    ignore facts just to please other eco enthusiasts. Is that
    all it takes to be branded a psuedo scientist these days?
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    > the on-going fall season has been the warmest in 50 years...here, in Finland.. ermm.. yes. This must mean something!!1


    Doh, this again. "Who are you going to believe, me, or your lying eyes."
    If you search this thread, you will find a point where someone else also
    tells me "this winter was the warmest on record. Everything is ALWAYS
    'the warmest on record' -_- Meanwhile, I'm freezing my lili-white hillbilly
    butt off here in KY. "It's just getting warmer everywhere... except
    where you live!" I have also been told on this forum, upon mentioning
    how clean the KY air is, how bad air polution is 'everywhere except where
    you live". Funny enough KY is a state that produces > 95% of its electricity
    from coal, but coincidentally has > 95% of its surface area covered in
    trees. But I'm sure those things are unrelated. We already know that trees
    are a useless, albedo producing plague upon the land. It would make ever
    so much more sense to do the scientific and environmentally friendly
    thing: cut down all those nasty, albedo producing trees and use the money
    for the REAL solution to all our problems... another climate study.

    I just got my electric bill today, 11-03-11, for the electricity I used
    in October. It's actually still laying here. It shows that I consumed
    +10% more electricity than last year (524 Kw/h for a 3 bedroom house,
    at $0.085/h) for the same period, despite using all the exact same
    appliances as last year. I have already talked to one person earlier
    today who said the same thing happened for them. Same appliances, same
    rates, just increased Kw/h used. It is just that stinking cold. It got
    so cold here in late October, I worried about my pipes freezing. That
    was in October! I'd bet that if other people would actually compare
    the Kw/h used durring the winter months from year to year, as I do,
    they would notice the same thing is happening for them. This is despite
    the fact that most houses are becoming more well insulated, as more
    people realize that is something that ACTUALLY WORKS.

    As an especially irritating side note, the same bill shows a government
    forced 'environmental surcharge' of $0.011 onto every Kw/h I used. How
    much of this money do you suppose goes toward planting trees? I doubt
    any, at least here in KY, as that would be rather like planting sand in
    a desert. How much goes toward distributing insulation? I doubt any, as
    there are existing governmental programs that already do that, and are
    funded through income and sales taxes. How much will go toward
    encouraging the use of coal/oil/natural gas as residential heating
    sources as opposed to electricity (which is extremely wasteful due to
    the multiple conversions and heavy transmittal losses it undergoes). I
    doubt any, as that is sooo obviously just pro-American psuedo science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gut View Post
    > the on-going fall season has been the warmest in 50 years...here, in Finland.. ermm.. yes. This must mean something!!1


    Doh, this again.
    I think Nath meant to make fun of anecdotical evidence, not use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey View Post
    There is no objectivity. There's the truth and the loons. Which is which depends on your side of the debate
    So on which side is your view? :P

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