Just had to add regarding original post, killed a gorgon in ud mixed vault (wand of lightning) around lvl 10. With a little bit of missile training or wands they're easy.

But I did just get a bit grumpy when a. Thrundarr give me lightning lizard quest, b. heading back up to dwarf town and get a wall beast near stairs in D11 I'm lvl 15 dammit!