YAVP Gnome Bard (first since comeback, second total)

[Unforgiven82]

Regular gateclosing.

So Roger Wilco the Bard started his career with mediocre set of skills. No herbalism or healing. Decided to go for herbalism since he was candle born. Started VERY carefully going to ID for early levelling and some items to help survive. Quickly found Teleport book which helped a lot. Didn't get any decent armour untill darkforge and no great weapons in the whole game. Found an altar in the puppy cave and had unbelievable luck with herb patterns in the big room (five 2*2 stoma patches) so decided to go all in with three precrowns at level 14. Ended up with "only" two precrowns and crowning because I forgot about the screen refresh bug for alignment when saccing. First precrown was the quarrell of uselessness and second was the black tome of good starting money from dwarftown shop. Crowning got me the trusted one which I thought sucked ass, until I realised that it actually gives great DV/PV with all the resistances I'm ever going to need. At the end with smithed/enchanted gear I was basically untouchable by almost all the mosters in the game (ring of immunity from the Casino didn't hurt either).

Carefull is really the word that describes this game untill after ToEF. I never descended below dwarftown other than to do the quest before I had already done pyramid, griffyard, darkforge, RotHK, rift, ToEF and killed the Water dragon mommy (came really close to dying there but finished her with darkness and acid balls, netted about 5 levels, nothing special in the treasure). I was somewhere around level 33 at this point. After this I descended straight 'till the shortcut doing everything that needed to be done. Killed artificer for anvil and went to do some smithing. As said after this I was pretty much invulnerable. Accidentally killed a cat by running to him around a corner so didn't get the ring. Not much of a hassle since catlord fell easily and with find weakness and backstabbing at 100 I was doing ebough crits as it was. After smithing I bought my SoCR (had way more than I needed from the weird tome and dwarven mystic) back from dwarftown and started the final descent.

Giant vault gave me long sting (never used) and a regular dwarven chaos knight dropped the artifact pickaxe. Meleed earth temple being surrounded without difficulties with a club of penetration and hit level 50 while there. After that I decided I was way too overpowered to have any caution any more so I just magic mapped and teleported rest of the levels. Stood toe to toe with the arch mage first meleeing with poison hands and then finishing with some humanoid slayers (had over 800 hp and dv around 130 when defencive so it was a breeze). Sliding with a PoUselessness gave me a sling (this guy had the worst luck with artifacts I've ever had). In D50 I read my 3 scrolls of familiar summoning and got two writhing masses and a greater earth elemental. The Elemental gor all the way to very experienced killing the foos and actually ended up killing most of the Balors and helping a lot with fisty. Not that I needed the help but it did speed things up. Or actually I prolly would've finished faster without the pet elemental since he kept hanging around so close that I didn't use my ball spells all that much, but this was more fun. Anyways we killed everything with my trysty elemental, closed the gate, got cleanced by the unicorn and yelled "Finally!" in the middle of the night so loud that I prolly woke my neighbors.

I'll try to post the memorial after this (I'm pretty sure I know how;)

[Unforgiven82]

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Roger Wilco St:46 Le:33 Wi:36 Dx:37 To:38 Ch:37 Ap:30 Ma:29 Pe:24 N=
DV/PV:101/62 H:809(809) P:516(516) Exp: 50/31276138 DrCh LE: 1000
Blessed
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Background Information
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Name: Roger Wilco Race: male Gnome Class: Bard
Eye color: brown Hair color: brown Complexion: brown
Height: 105 cm Weight: 54 kilos
Age: 113 (grown-up, 1 year of unnatural aging added in)
Star sign: Candle Birthday: 11/Candle (day 281 of the year)

YOUR HISTORY:
Your father is a guildmaster. Your family generally is rather
wealthy and well-known in your home town.
In your childhood you were a credit to your family. Your people
loved you and enjoyed your presence.
During your youth you had a lot of fun playing with other kids of
your age. You always were a natural leader and the center of interest.
As a young adult you left your home because of trouble with your
parents. They opposed your plans for the future without understanding your
wishes. Thus you decided to live on your own. You wandered through the
country for many years, growing older and wiser and learning many things.
You decided to become a Bard.


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Inventory
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Total weight: 10697 stones Carrying capacity: 38675 stones

He: uncursed crown of regeneration [+0, +0] [55s]
Ne: uncursed ankh [3s]
Bo: uncursed blue dragon scale mail (-1, -4) [+5, +10] [200s]
Gi: uncursed girdle of strength [+6, +4] {St+3} [15s]
Cl: blessed hooded cloak [+4, +0] [40s]
RH: blessed rune-covered long sword "Trusted One" (+1, 5d3) [+7, +7] [60s]
LH: blessed large eternium shield (-1) [+15, +5] [54s]
RR: blessed ring of damage [1s]
LR: uncursed ring of immunity [1s]
Br: uncursed bracers of speed [+6, +4] (+4 spd) [10s]
Ga: blessed gauntlets of strength (-1, +0) [+8, +5] {St+3} [40s]
Bo: blessed seven league boots [+6, +5] [30s]
MW: blessed long bow of hunting (+6, +3) [30s]
Mi: bundle of 8 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6) [16s]
Tl: blessed dwarven pick axe "Hammerhead" (+2, 2d10+4) [+2, +2] {To+3}[90s]


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Stuff
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Total weight: 10052 stones Carrying capacity: 38675 stones

Helmets ('[')
*snip*
Armor ('[')
uncursed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8} [60s]
uncursed eternium plate mail (-1, -2) [+5, +9] [240s]
//these get damaged way too easily
uncursed adamantium ring mail (-1, -2) [+0, +7] [216s]
blessed eternium plate mail (-1, -2) [-1, +13] [240s]
Shields ('[')
*snip*
Gauntlets ('[')
uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
*snip*
Cloaks ('[')
*snip*
uncursed cloak of invisibility (-1, +0) [+3, +1] [30s]
Girdles ('[')
*snip*
blessed adamantium girdle [+0, +6] [18s]
Boots ('[')
uncursed seven league boots [+2, +3] [30s]
uncursed seven league boots [+4, +1] [30s]
//these always keep dropping if you take Heir with a bard :)
Necklaces (''')
*lots of amulets
Bracers (',')
uncursed bracers of protection [+0, +2] [10s]
//this and the ones I was wearing were the only bracers generated except for [0,0] brass bracers
One-handed weapons ('(')
blessed pick axe (-2, 1d6+1) [75s]
uncursed club of penetration (+4, 1d6+3) [30s]
uncursed lead-filled mace "Big Punch" (+1, 8d5+3) [-6, +0] [800s]
heap of 2 uncursed phase daggers (+0, 1d4) [10s]
//snipped some useless ones
Two-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed eternium two-handed sword (+19, 6d5+18) [-1, +0] [50s]
uncursed glaive "Long Sting" (+4, 7d3) [+4, +0] {Pe+6} (+6 spd) [100s]
blessed eternium two-handed sword (+18, 6d5+19) [-1, +0] [50s]
uncursed eternium two-handed sword (+18, 6d5+15) [-1, +0] [50s]
Missile weapons ('}')
*some basic missile weapons*
uncursed rune-covered sling "Whirlwind" (+12, +12) [3s]
Missiles ('/')
*LOTS of ammo of all kinds*
Tools (']')
*nothing special*
Instruments ('{')
heap of 2 uncursed glockenspiele [240s]
uncursed harp [30s]
Rings ('=')
*snipped a lot of rings*
blessed ring of djinni summoning [1s]
//Never figured what I'd like to wish for and then forgot all about this

Wands ('\')
*Loads of wands, nothing special
Potions ('!')
*potions of all kinds*
Scrolls ('?')
heap of 29 uncursed scrolls of identify [58s]
heap of 5 blessed scrolls of identify [10s]
//detect item status really makes these almost useless
heap of 8 blessed scrolls of chaos resistance [16s]
//now what am I gonna do with these when I get teleportitis, rage and thin as my first corruptions. Then I got poison hands and unholy aura on the final descent.

Books ('"')
uncursed spellbook of Bless [100s]
uncursed spellbook of Farsight [100s]
blessed spellbook of Strength of Atlas [100s]
Food ('%')
*Stoma and spence*
Valuables ('$')
69622 gold pieces [696s]
//perhaps I shouldve used my wish to get some money for a better score?
Gems ('*')
*more gems than you want to know*
//Gemology 100 is ridiculous, I must've left hundreds of gems behing when mining for ore :)

[Unforgiven82]

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Weapon Skills
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Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
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Unarmed fighting 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 20
Daggers & knives 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Clubs & hammers 9 +7 +5 +3 excellent 470
//club of penetration and some bug punching
Maces & flails 9 +7 +5 +3 excellent 190
//no I think big punch is here (weird that mace is seperate from clubs and hammers)
Swords 12 +12 +8 +4 Mastery 2519
Axes 6 +4 +3 +1 skilled 144
Whips 1 +1 +0 +1 basic 25
Pole arms 9 +9 +5 +10 excellent 1165
//early spear use
Twohanded weapons 1 +1 +1 +0 basic 25
Staves 4 +4 +1 +5 skilled 105

Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks
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Slings 4 +8 +6 +1 skilled 23
Bows 7 +14 +10 +2 skilled 68
Crossbows 6 +12 +9 +2 skilled 8
Thrown axes & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown daggers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown rocks & clubs 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 6
Thrown spears 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Boomerangs & scurgari 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 5

Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks
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Shields 10 +20 excellent 1810


Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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Right hand: +121 bonus to hit, 5d3+44 damage
//This is easily enough for everything but the stuff that penetrating weapons are for

Damage caused with your missile weapons:
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Ammunition: 8, base range: 15, +104 bonus to hit, 1d6+42 damage




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Skills
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Archery ...................100 (superb) [+1d3]
Athletics .................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Backstabbing ..............100 (superb) [+1d5]
Climbing ..................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Concentration .............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Cooking ................... 80 (great) [+1d5] (ma)
Courage ...................100 (superb) [+1]
Detect item status ........100 (superb) [+1d3]
Detect traps ..............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Disarm traps ..............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Dodge ..................... 78 (great) [+1d5]
Find weakness .............100 (superb) [+1d3]
First aid .................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Fletchery ................. 90 (great) [+1d3] (ma)
Gardening ................. 91 (superb) [+1d5]
Gemology ..................100 (superb) [+1d5]
Haggling ..................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Herbalism .................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Listening .................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Literacy ..................100 (superb) [+1d5]
Metallurgy ................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Mining ....................100 (superb) [+1d3]
Music .....................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Pick locks ................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Pick pockets ..............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Smithing ..................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Stealth ...................100 (superb) [+3d4]
Tactics ...................100 (superb) [+1d3]
Two weapon combat ......... 90 (great) [+1d3]
Ventriloquism .............100 (superb) [+2d4]

//couldn't use most my skill increases after level 40ish

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Spells
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Acid Ball : 194, 35pp (Effectivity: +4)
Bless : 190, 8pp (Effectivity: +0)
Calm Monster : 284, 8pp (Effectivity: +0)
Cure Light Wounds : 508, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
Cure Serious Wounds: 253, 9pp (Effectivity: +5)
Darkness : 451, 4pp (Effectivity: +2)
Destroy Undead : 789, 8pp (Effectivity: +0)
Farsight : 166, 17pp (Effectivity: +1)
Frost Bolt : 924, 11pp (Effectivity: +8)
Improved Fireball : 186, 30pp (Effectivity: +0)
Knock : 358, 12pp (Effectivity: +2)
Know Alignment : 332, 10pp (Effectivity: +0)
Light : 705, 3pp (Effectivity: +0)
Lightning Ball : 178, 30pp (Effectivity: +3)
Lightning Bolt : 338, 12pp (Effectivity: +3)
Magic Map : 493, 40pp (Effectivity: +3)
Revelation : 240, 33pp (Effectivity: +0)
Slow Monster : 400, 7pp (Effectivity: +0)
Strength of Atlas : 499, 10pp (Effectivity: +3)
Stun Ray : 518, 8pp (Effectivity: +2)
Summon Monsters : 481, 30pp (Effectivity: +0)
Teleportation : 620, 22pp (Effectivity: +4)
Web : 353, 12pp (Effectivity: +1)




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His further life:
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Most of you have rad this enough times

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His achievements during his adventures:
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Roger Wilco, the gnomish bard, saved the world with his brave efforts and
became a great ruler while saving himself 15 times.
He scored 10636924 points and advanced to level 50.
He survived for 0 years, 63 days, 4 hours, 32 minutes and 8 seconds (117587
turns).
11 companions were killed during his adventures.
Roger Wilco visited 111 places.
His strength score was modified by +27 during his career.
His learning score was modified by +13 during his career.
His willpower score was modified by +25 during his career.
His dexterity score was modified by +20 during his career.
His toughness score was modified by +25 during his career.
His charisma score was modified by +14 during his career.
His appearance score was modified by +16 during his career.
His mana score was modified by +13 during his career.
His perception score was modified by +10 during his career.
He was unnaturally aged by 1 year.
He was the champion of the arena.
He was a member of the thieves guild.
He left the Drakalor Chain after completing his quest and became a great
leader and famous hero.
4577 monsters perished under his attacks.
The following 23 artifacts were generated during his adventure:
the si
the scythe of corruption "Moon Sickle"
the golden gladius "Death's Sting"
the Chaos Orb of Elemental Water
the Chaos Orb of Elemental Air
the Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire
the Chaos Orb of Elemental Earth
the obsidian quarrel "Thunderstroke"
the rune-covered long sword "Trusted One"
the lead-filled mace "Big Punch"
the elemental gauntlets
the ring of the High Kings
the crown of science
the ancient mummy wrapping
the ankh
the black torc
the glaive "Long Sting"
the Chaos Orb of Elemental Mana
the rune-covered sling "Whirlwind"
the ring of immunity
the dwarven pick axe "Hammerhead"
the black tome of Alsophocus
the weird tome
He possessed the following intrinsics:
He was fire resistant (enhanced through an item).
He was poison resistant.
He was cold resistant (gained through an item).
He was acid resistant (enhanced through an item).
He was lucky (enhanced through an item).
Fate smiled upon him (enhanced through an item).
He was sleep resistant (gained through an item).
He was petrification resistant (gained through an item).
He was able to control teleportation.
He was stun resistant (gained through an item).
He was paralyzation resistant (gained through an item).
He was resistant to death rays (gained through an item).
He was shock resistant (enhanced through an item).
He was immune to shock attacks (gained through items).
He was immune to fire attacks.
He was immune to acidic attacks (gained through an item).
He was immune to ice attacks (gained through an item).
He had the following talents: Alert, Boon to the Family, Charming, Eagle
Eye, Good Learner, Good Shot, Greased Lightning, Hardy, Healthy, Heir, Iron
Skin, Keen Shot, Lightning Shot, Miser, Quick, Quick Shot, Steel Skin, Tough
Skin, Treasure Hunter, Very Quick.
He had a final speed score of 132 (final base speed: 128).
He was a messiah of Berwyn.
He asked for 16 divine interventions.
He was a holy champion of Balance.

[Unforgiven82]

The following monsters were vanquished:
5 acid vortices
22 air demons
11 air elementals
6 air grues
1 ancient blue dragon
1 Ancient Chaos Wyrm
2 ancient minotaurs
1 ancient red dragon
1 Ancient Stone Beast
3 ancient white dragons
1 animated tree
4 ankhegs
7 annihilators
5 annis hags
3 assassins
2 balors
16 bandits
1 banshee
10 barbarians
6 barbarian leaders
8 battle bunnies
11 berserkers
4 berserker emperors
5 berserker kings
26 berserker lords
5 berserker princes
7 big dogs
1 black druid
9 black hurthlings
1 black slayer
3 black unicorns
5 black wizards
27 blink dogs
3 blue baby dragons
1 blue dragon
1 bone golem
2 brown bears
12 brown worms
18 bugbears
5 bulettes
1 bunny master
6 carrion crawlers
1 cat lord
2 cave bears
32 cave fishers
1 cave lion
11 cave lizards
2 cave tigers
7 cavemen
1 Chaos Archmage
5 chaos brothers
3 chaos eyes
4 chaos knights
3 chaos lizards
53 chaos mutants
4 chaos plague bearers
8 chaos rats
110 chaos servants
11 chaos sisters
5 chaos spiders
2 chaos vipers
4 chaos warlords
6 chaos warriors
9 chaos wizards
13 claw bugs
2 clay golems
1 cobra
4 cooshoos
21 corpse fiends
6 corruptors
2 crystal statues
8 cutpurses
4 cyclopes
23 dark elven archers
2 dark elven lords
4 dark elven priestesses
6 dark elven princesses
42 dark elven warriors
18 dark elven wizards
3 dark orcs
8 dark sages
1 death ooze
1 diamond golem
67 dire wolves
5 displacer beasts
12 dopplegangers
7 doppleganger lords
3 Dorn Beasts
1 dragon turtle
2 dwarves
1 dwarven artificer
10 dwarven chaos knights
49 earth elementals
22 ettins
4 eyes of destruction
1 fairy dragon
21 fire beetles
15 fire demons
17 fire drakes
25 fire elementals
29 fire giants
6 fire giant kings
5 fire grues
45 fire lizards
5 fire vortices
6 flesh golems
5 floating eyes
18 fomorian giants
15 frost giants
3 frost giant berserkers
1 frost giant jarl
6 gargoyles
6 gelatinous cubes
14 ghosts
8 ghost bats
1 ghost king
32 ghost lords
85 ghuls
6 giant ant warriors
4 giant ant workers
21 giant bats
3 giant bee queens
61 giant bee warriors
40 giant bee workers
5 giant centipedes
1 giant eel
6 giant frogs
15 giant lizards
2 giant raccoons
91 giant rats
37 giant rust monsters
1 giant shark
2 giant slugs
60 giant spiders
1 giant turtle
8 gibbering mouthers
37 gnolls
5 gnoll chieftains
41 goblins
8 goblin berserkers
17 goblin chieftains
47 goblin rockthrowers
26 goblin slavemasters
2 gorgons
9 gray oozes
1 gray slayer
1 great water dragon
3 greater air elementals
1 greater balor
1 greater black unicorn
28 greater chaos servants
1 greater claw bug
3 greater daemons
12 greater mimics
3 greater molochs
13 greater mummies
2 greater water elementals
4 green blobs
2 green hags
45 green slimes
5 green worms
1 gremlin
9 griffons
8 grizzly bears
11 harpies
12 hell hounds
83 hill giants
3 hill giant chieftains
3 hill orcs
5 hill orc sergeants
11 hippogriffs
18 hobgoblins
2 hobgoblin chiefs
8 hobgoblin leaders
2 homunculi
13 huge bats
2 hydras
16 hyenas
6 ice vortices
7 imps
1 invisible stalker
24 jackals
2 jackal demons
2 jackalweres
2 karmic baby dragons
2 karmic dragons
1 karmic lizard
46 kobolds
22 kobold chieftains
7 kobold shamans
45 large bats
10 large dogs
16 large gnolls
3 large jackals
25 large kobolds
16 large orcs
4 large rust monsters
3 large snakes
140 large spiders
6 least daemons
1 lesser daemon
4 leucrottas
8 liches
24 lightning lizards
3 lightning vortices
1 living wall
32 lizard men
2 magebane eyes
3 magedoom eyes
2 master assassins
35 master mimics
1 master necromancer
1 Master Summoner
11 master swordsmen
2 master thieves
3 mimics
2 mimic hiveminds
9 minotaurs
3 minotaur lords
3 molochs
27 mummies
1 mummy lord
6 necromancers
7 ochre jellies
75 ogres
1 ogre emperor
2 ogre kings
110 ogre lords
8 ogre magi
84 orcs
1 orc butcher
7 orc chieftains
25 orc scorchers
7 outlaws
3 outlaw leaders
7 owlbears
73 pit vipers
3 pixies
2 pixie archers
1 purple worm
4 quasits
2 quickling kings
1 quickling lord
1 quickling queen
4 rabid dogs
5 raiders
272 rats
17 ratling archers
1 ratling duelist
6 ratling fencers
7 ratling master thieves
8 ratling thieves
3 ratling warlords
10 ratling warriors
2 rattlesnakes
9 red baby dragons
23 red dragons
73 red worms
4 revenants
2 rust monsters
172 shadows
4 shadow centipedes
3 shadow lords
4 shadow trolls
4 shadow wyrms
7 shambling mounds
10 silver wolves
2 skeletal kings
32 skeletal warriors
93 skeletons
4 slow shadows
1 Snake from Beyond
8 spectres
7 staring eyes
37 steel golems
2 steel horrors
3 steel zombies
64 stone giants
3 stone giant lords
18 stone golems
61 stone grues
6 stone snakes
1 stone statue
7 swordsmen
75 tarantulas
2 titans
9 trolls
8 troll berserkers
5 troll chiefs
3 troll kings
1 undead chaos dwarven berserker
12 vampires
49 vapor rats
8 water demons
7 water elementals
17 water grues
25 water snakes
16 wererats
17 werewolves
3 werewolf lords
5 white baby dragons
2 white worms
71 wights
3 wild cats
1 will o'wisp
34 wolves
33 wraiths
40 writhing masses of primal chaos
4 yellow oozes
118 zombies

[Dudley]

RoI and you complain???

[Unforgiven82]

RoI and you complain???

Got Fire immunity in crowning and didn't do the blue D caves so RoI was basically "just" a [+5,+5] ring. IMO it's way overrated since resistances are so easy to come by in adom. Can't really imagine it to have any significant impact on any game. Of course it's nice to have since there are very few really good rings in the game, but the effect ain't that noticeable compared to some of the really game-breaking (meaning giving overconfidence and breaking your char in half 'cause you do something stupid) artifacts.

So now I have a monk and a bard win. Can't really decide what I'd try next. How about pure chaotic DE Priest going for a regular chaos god just for RP reasons.

[Dudley]

Dark elf/gnomish Beastie :)
Grey elf wizzie (pushover)
Barbarians.
Healers
Paladins
Fighters (bit challenging, they're not exceedlingly good)

Get an acid blast from a wyrm, or from Andy (i think he can cast those). Getting a blast from something you resist but aren't iummune is sometimes awful, i remember being insta killed by an emperor lich that way, frost.

[_Ln_]

Roger Wilco

Is that from Space Quest series? They're awesome! :D (but somehow I've never managed to fully complete any game)

[Unforgiven82]

Is that from Space Quest series? They're awesome! :D (but somehow I've never managed to fully complete any game)

That would be correct. Finished the first on my own (my dad helped a bit I must admit) and the others eventually with walkthroughs. Actually Space Quest 1 is the first game I ever finished (if I remember correctly I finished super mario bros almost a year later) and it's mostly responsible for my early English learning.

[Unforgiven82]

Dark elf/gnomish Beastie :)
Grey elf wizzie (pushover)
Barbarians.
Healers
Paladins
Fighters (bit challenging, they're not exceedlingly good)

Get an acid blast from a wyrm, or from Andy (i think he can cast those). Getting a blast from something you resist but aren't iummune is sometimes awful, i remember being insta killed by an emperor lich that way, frost.



I believe these were suggestions for what to play next. Won't play another gnome for a while, I don't like how wizzies get so overpowered that it becomes boring. Barbarians always bring out my own stupidity by being overpowered in the middle game and giving false sence of security. Healers I don't like on priciple. So perhaps I'll go for a pally or a fighter when I feel like bashing and a priest when I feel like casting spells (I know they can get overpowered too but still). Actually I think I'll skip the priest since it could end up feeling too much like this bard (who started with detect item status).

Yup... a pure basher it will be. Fighter should be nice since it shouldn't become too powerfull too soon to give that cozy feeling that leads to YASD. Or a beastie since then I wouldn't have to complain about not getting decent weapons (but that'd be too much like playing a monk)

[fazisi]

Fighter and Paladin are pretty similar but Paladin has the advantage since they are very capable casters in the mid- to late-game.

[JellySlayer]

Fighter and Paladin are pretty similar but Paladin has the advantage since they are very capable casters in the mid- to late-game.

Well, that depends entirely on whether paladin gets justifier... if they do, they're nothing like fighters ;)

[Dudley]

Beasties have also the advantage of having magnificient crowning gifts. And are deadly with their hands. AND start with herbalism.
Monks ar ebest with polemarms.

[Sadface]

Thief is pretty fun too. In fact, if I get another Candle sign to pop
up, I might roll one and mess around with it...

[Unforgiven82]

Won again. This is getting too easy ;)

Won't post a new thread since this one had nothing too special. Dwarwen barbarian crowned with vanquisher and wearing robes of resistance from casino. Normal gate closing. Digged to the levers, killed balors with vanquisher almost dying to corruption. Meleed basically everything including archmage, catlord and the blue wyrm.

[fazisi]

Vanquisher makes everything easy. :b

You should try an assassin next imo. Still pretty easy but should provide some challenges depending your race/starsign choice.

[Unforgiven82]

Vanquisher makes everything easy. :b

You should try an assassin next imo. Still pretty easy but should provide some challenges depending your race/starsign choice.

Vanquisher doesn't make everything easy. I've found that using a two-hander limits the DV you can get so much that in many situations a good one-hander and a shield is much better. In my win I used big punch+protector much more than the vanquisher. Vanquisher really became feasible against really tough opponents when I had 800+ HP so I could just berserk+tremendous blow the tough monsters and know they wouldn't kill me in the rounds they get attacking me (It's really satisfying to hit a balor to critical in one blow and then chase him down as he's running away).

I was actually thinking a hurtling ranger for my next, with a couple limitations to get more challenge. Although this would also work with an assassin.

1: Only knives and daggers in melee and thrown rocks as missiles (good bye slaying ammo and potions of blindness, welcome neeble and sting). BTW can you poison rocks?

2: No starvation or sickness to increase stats, no good learner talent, no killing ubermonsters with darkness nor any other such borderline exploits.

3: No gambling in Casino.

4: No carrying RNG fodder, which is to say that everything I carry must be realistically usefull at some point

5: no extensive grinding. Herbs for stats and some spence is okay. Stoma for crowning is okay. Stoma for precrowns, stairhopping id, pickpocketing gremlins and the like are forbidden.

If someone has any other ideas for making the game a bit more challenging, realistic (in it's own context), but not extreme feel free to make suggestions (or make up a name for this challenge game and start a new thread). Also if a challenge game similar to this already exists please tell me about it and I'll try that.

[minchazo]

Try a DE Thief. You can realistically get their toughness below 10. The starting game is exceptionally hard at that point.

[Unforgiven82]

Try a DE Thief. You can realistically get their toughness below 10. The starting game is exceptionally hard at that point.

I'va actually once started a GE wizzy with ST 2. That was interesting. But really I'm not looking for extremely difficult, I'm looking for a bit more difficult through the whole game (not just early game).

[grobblewobble]

1: Only knives and daggers in melee and thrown rocks as missiles (good bye slaying ammo and potions of blindness, welcome neeble and sting). BTW can you poison rocks?

2: No starvation or sickness to increase stats, no good learner talent, no killing ubermonsters with darkness nor any other such borderline exploits.

3: No gambling in Casino.

4: No carrying RNG fodder, which is to say that everything I carry must be realistically usefull at some point

5: no extensive grinding. Herbs for stats and some spence is okay. Stoma for crowning is okay. Stoma for precrowns, stairhopping id, pickpocketing gremlins and the like are forbidden.


I really like these restrictions. In fact, in my current game I have imposed some very similar restrictions on myself. It gets boring how the same blinding potions and slaying ammo make any hard fight easy, doesn't it?

One additional rule in the same spirit that I could think of is: no 7LB / Hack 'n Back technique. (Hit, step back, wait for monster, repeat).

[JellySlayer]

No prayers is usually a good one to go for to add a bit of challenge.

[Unforgiven82]

No prayers is usually a good one to go for to add a bit of challenge.

This might be fun. I just wonder how corrupted I would get for repeatedly using the water orb.

[grobblewobble]

Alternative: you may only use one prayer during the game (so you can get crowned).

[Unforgiven82]

I really like these restrictions. In fact, in my current game I have imposed some very similar restrictions on myself. It gets boring how the same blinding potions and slaying ammo make any hard fight easy, doesn't it?

One additional rule in the same spirit that I could think of is: no 7LB / Hack 'n Back technique. (Hit, step back, wait for monster, repeat).

This I actually don't like. Hack and back is quite essential (especially when using the restrictions above), and it can easily fail by runing to a dead end. One of my chars was actually killing a greater moloch with a vanquisher in DH when an emperor lich cut his escape ;)

Also if I put restriction to 7lb I might just as well put restrictions to the many extremely powerfull artifacts in the game or to the amount of artifacts I can equip. 7lbs can be destroyed and are very rare after all and also they are clearly meant to be extremely powerfull by design. If I happen to get a char with robes of resistance, ring of immunity, bracers of war, holy scarf, helm of 'whatever was the good one', cloak of 'whatever was the good one', 7lb and girdle of GS (also two early penetrating daggers for this challenge and a lot of increase melee XX scrolls); I'll just figure the rng likes my restrictions and wants to be nice to me (just because I'm a mathematician and have studied statistics doesn't mean I don't believe RNG is a concious being).

Ps. The reason for those "whatever was the good one" is that I haven't found any artifact cloaks or headgear since starting again with adom and I won't bother to check the GB just to list them here. You all get the idea anyways.