Poison hands help

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Hey Guys -

I'm a level 23 Paladin, Crowned L and I am having some serious issues with poison hands. I was doing the TOEF and must have picked up the corruption there, I killed the ACW and his corpse was cooked by the flames. I took it back to the druid and he gave me the cure corruption, but I didnt notice that things were turning sickly green and into poision.

I dont have thick gauntlets
I dont have teleport or teleport control(no HMV scroll to bless) (I am told you can use holy water with no issues)

What are my options?

1. The rift - library - wierd tomb? - Will this be too hard?
2. Pool sipping - If I get doomed or cursed, should I just pray?
3. Do nothing - just survive - This has been really hard. I have about 4-5 artifacts equipped.
4. Hunting Blink dogs - this has been hitting my alignment hard, and I dont want to drop to N

Also - what is the best place to ask advice here and there, would this be IRC?

Thanks!!

[Silfir]

If you meet the requirements for the weird tome, as a level 23 paladin wearing 4-5 (I assume they're not useless) artifacts you should be fine going to the Rift. I'm assuming teleport control is what you'd like to use to get to the scroll of chaos resistance in the HMV.

Pool sipping for a wish for scrolls of chaos resistance (or thick gauntlets) is a fairly desperate but definitely doable course of action. You only have to get rid of dooming to retain your wishing chances, but to do that you have to go back to an L altar and sacrifice something. Dooming and cursing is lifted at very close connection to your deity and better.

[Harwin]

I don't know if this is the *best* advice - but another option would be a certain quest that should be available before too long. (I don't want to say more since I'm not sure how spoiled you are).

You could do the HMV without TC, but it would be tedious. If you did that you'd definitely want to do it with traps so you wouldn't burn charges.

[Harwin]

If you meet the requirements for the weird tome, as a level 23 paladin wearing 4-5 (I assume they're not useless) artifacts you should be fine going to the Rift. I'm assuming teleport control is what you'd like to use to get to the scroll of chaos resistance in the HMV.

Pool sipping for a wish for scrolls of chaos resistance (or thick gauntlets) is a fairly desperate but definitely doable course of action. You only have to get rid of dooming to retain your wishing chances, but to do that you have to go back to an L altar and sacrifice something. Dooming and cursing is lifted at very close connection to your deity and better.

Getting TC from the pool would be enough, wouldn't it? And far more likely than a wish.

[Stingray1]

Not sure whether you have passed the dying sage or don't want to. You might find a TC item in the Casino. I'm assuming you are pretty spoiled, as you mentioned the Weird Tome. The Banshee level is a great place to prevent starvation and more items are generated there, because more monsters are generated there.

The Weird Tome is probably the best solution though.

[anon123]

You could also go to the ID and crawl it in search of a pair of thick gauntlets. They are DL 1, so you might find them relatively quickly (or not, given you really need them ;)). Items on the floor, drops and tension rooms should provide enough food to sustain the quest, but I'd still take a few artifacts off. You might also encounter a blink dog in the process, solving your lack of teleport control.

If you happen to have a wand of destruction, you can stand immediately north of the SoCR room in the HMV, zap it, then swim in and fetch the scroll. Do mind the fact it damages you and potentially peaceful NPCs in the blast radius.

Also, which version is this? In prerelease 11 and above, dipping potions with poison hands turns them into poison too.

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Thanks for the replies guys!

Never heard the term "spoiled" before but I get wha you are throwing down. I will answer your questions:
Robes of resistance, ankh, mummy wrapping, elemental gauntlets, justifier (this thing is carrying me).
I think I'm at D28, Haven't got passed the eternal gaurdian.
Been eating cursed cooked lizards, mostly -
I am working with P14.
Casino was an option, but I am struggling with the TOHK, can I dig the walls?
I also have the mana battery corruption... so wands are viable.. but not too helpful.
I would sip until I got TC or a wish, I wouldn't be picky.
When I referred to the wierd tomb - I mean delivering it to the mad minstril. - What do you mean about TC? Maybe I dont know as much.
Are you saying that I can't dip my holy water potions into scrolls of Corruption removal?
I did some ID for an hour or so. This is very tedious.

[Stingray1]

Casino was an option, but I am struggling with the TOHK, can I dig the walls?

By TC I mean Teleport Control. There is probably a bigger chance of some Thick gauntlets in Casino anyway.

Are we talking about the place with the small room in the middle of a lake?

If so, I never tried digging there.

This place?:


"Nothing can protect you for long,
No matter how tough, blessed or strong,
No armour, girdle, helm nor shield,
No artifact that you may wield,
No amulet that you find or nick,
No god's blessing or intrinsic,
But a way across there is still,
For they say the fish will easily chill..."

Digging not really necessary.

[boat]

Yea that room. I mean using a digging spell on the room. I don't have any frost spells. I'll take a look at my wands when I get back to my PC, but as mentioned - it will have to be final charges.

Right now I am leaning towards id. What was the blink dog balance? Only corpse on the first? Or was it reduced chance? Or both?

Also I could entertain the black U quest later, but wanted to exit without any tainting

[grobblewobble]

Did you take the druid quest early on? If so, what happened to the spellbook of cold? Or maybe you took herbalism?

Digging is not going to help in that place, alas. It won't help you cross the piranha lake. If you find an ogre magus in the levels above you can get the lake frozen by him. Ice vortex works too, but that is trickier because you need to prevent it from exploding when you climb the stairs.

[boat]

I did take it early on. Definitely regret getting herbalism (wanted to farm). I have a ring of invis so I thought I could dig the walls and have the Z chase me and go across himself. As I'm a noob these are things I'm learning for the first time :)

[Arctic]

If you happen to hit lv25 before you solve the problem, looking for the chaos entourage in the wilderness might help.

[Stingray1]

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what made you seek help(what we here call spoilers)? Not for this specific problem, but rather the first time you decided to read a spoiler.

P.S. Well, not entirely curiosity, but mostly. Also trying to work out a way to make ADOM more successful on some aspects.

P.P.S. The blink dog change was actually not a blink dog change. It turned out as a Teleportation spell nerf, but details you can read in the Issue Management subforum, if you want..

[_Ln_]

With Justifier you may simply clear the Bug Temple for 3 cursed SoCRs. That is, if you have more than 100 deaths in the highscore.

Hitting lvl25 and hunting chaos parties in the wilderness is an excellent advice. You may want to level up in the High King Tomb while waiting for an ogre magi.
Pool-sipping Darkforge is also a pretty solid thing to do.
You can probably dig a couple of graves without breaking alignment.

I'd suggest tanking EG in melee, but that will certainly lead to being a fallen champion.

[grobblewobble]

If you're going to do anything chaotic you should know that a blessed amulet of balance (yes, balance, not law) greatly reduces the alignment hit.

I was thinking about suggestion bugcave too, but mana battery could be annoying there. That means no easy source of fireballs, unless you have spare crystals of fire. Bugcave is potentially deadly, but with appropriate care it can definitely be done. Some pointers:

- Select equipment that optimizes DV, ignore PV.
- Best not to fight too aggressively, you need DV here.
- Don't take risks, heal with water orb / prayer when low on HP.
- Don't wake up all the killer bugs on the surface at once, especially if you don't have 7lb.
- Don't fight any of the side rooms down below, shut them off with doors instead, if you can. I hope you have many wands of door creation.

To be honest, library is a much easier option, in the sense that it allows much more room for error. BugCave is quick and easy if you know what you're doing and a quick death otherwise.

[boat]

To answer you stingray.. I need to provide some more background.. I have been playing Adom off and on for about 10 years, casually. It's one of the best RPGs I have ever played, but extremely frustrating.
What made me first find the adom gb? It was probably the frustration of dying so much that made me first find it, and the fact that I used to play in the small gave until jackals started killing me (which I found odd) Good advice was which character to pick.. I usually rolled a human fighter, and paid the price. I actually discovered save scumming early on, but save scumming can't save you every time.
At this point in my adom career, I just want to go for my first win, and without save scumming. So far so good! I have never made it past the toef (until now) or even done the mana temple. I think that adom is so complex, one needs all the help they can get. Even following the wiki and gb religiously.. I have become ridiculously close to death too many times.

Anyways! Right now I farming id. Using strength of atlas to stock up on rations. Finding an ogre Magnus seems viable. Again, I don't really want to pool sip. Can't do bug temple, I don't have 100 deaths and I actually just cleared my high score because of performance issues with p14. Again, thanks for the tips.. I'm actually level 20 btw.

I guess I'm not as noob as I could be. I discovered continuous w, continuous search, :s, :m, which are pretty much essential.

[Stingray1]

Thanks for answering, probably a large portion of players seek help because of the same reason you listed.
I do remember those days now, when character upon character just died during the early game.
It has been made a little easier, so let's see, I wish we could get some input from new noobs, but alas they are difficult to find.

Hope you find those gauntlets soon.

[Harwin]

Yea that room. I mean using a digging spell on the room. I don't have any frost spells. I'll take a look at my wands when I get back to my PC, but as mentioned - it will have to be final charges.


Just as a side note, when it comes to the ToTHK:
There are ways to recharge wands that are easier to get than hoping for more wands of cold (assuming you have a wand of cold to recharge).

[boat]

Thanks for answering, probably a large portion of players seek help because of the same reason you listed.
I do remember those days now, when character upon character just died during the early game.
It has been made a little easier, so let's see, I wish we could get some input from new noobs, but alas they are difficult to find.

Hope you find those gauntlets soon.

The best advice is probably already in the game (noob friendly character/class suggestions). Also - removing permadeath option for the steam version is recommended too.

Thanks - I will farm ID for a bit longer then start hunting for an ogre


Just as a side note, when it comes to the ToTHK:
There are ways to recharge wands that are easier to get than hoping for more wands of cold (assuming you have a wand of cold to recharge).

No wand of cold. I have mana battery corruption. :(

[Stingray1]

The best advice is probably already in the game (noob friendly character/class suggestions). Also - removing permadeath option for the steam version is recommended too.

Although I don't fully agree that it would be the best for their training, if it gets implemented, maybe some of them(stronger ones) will also have their mind blown at least. Which was awesome BTW. Thx TB.

[_Ln_]

The best advice is probably already in the game (noob friendly character/class suggestions). Also - removing permadeath option for the steam version is recommended too.

Thanks - I will farm ID for a bit longer then start hunting for an ogre


No wand of cold. I have mana battery corruption. :(

If you manage to collect 3 wands of cold, then you are set to go to High King Cave.

Be sure not to wander below I:9, as you will receive even more corruption.

Anonther strategy is to dip Moon Sickle (the ancient scythe, which you should have by now) into potions. Then dip rare gauntlets on D:1 into potions of raw chaos (one pair at a time). There is a chance you'll generate thick gauntlets. It is possible to corrupt yourself doing this, but the amount of corruption should be minimized with high Dexterity and wearing elemental gauntlets (I think). To avoid chaos explosions (which happen when the item you polymorph transforms into the same item) you need to dip only specific items: you can check the list here (http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/Gauntlets) (link to ADOM wiki with extensive spoilers).

Personally I'd avoid doing this, but it can resolve poison hands problem very fast.

Finally, I don't think amulet of balance works when you are L or C.

EDIT: Jeez, scratch all of this, I'm being stupid - dipping now doesn't work with poison hands :( Talk about more stable ADOM with less bugs.

[boat]

If you manage to collect 3 wands of cold, then you are set to go to High King Cave.

Be sure not to wander below I:9, as you will receive even more corruption.

Anonther strategy is to dip Moon Sickle (the ancient scythe, which you should have by now) into potions. Then dip rare gauntlets on D:1 into potions of raw chaos (one pair at a time). There is a chance you'll generate thick gauntlets. It is possible to corrupt yourself doing this, but the amount of corruption should be minimized with high Dexterity and wearing elemental gauntlets (I think). To avoid chaos explosions (which happen when the item you polymorph transforms into the same item) you need to dip only specific items: you can check the list here (http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/Gauntlets) (link to ADOM wiki with extensive spoilers).

Personally I'd avoid doing this, but it can resolve poison hands problem very fast.

Finally, I don't think amulet of balance works when you are L or C.

EDIT: Jeez, scratch all of this, I'm being stupid - dipping now doesn't work with poison hands :( Talk about more stable ADOM with less bugs.

Thanks for the reply again. I sacc'd the sickle. I have alchemistic gloves, so Im able to pick up potions with varying luck. I managed to get a few more potions of water, which I blessed. So as soon as I lock down some scrolls I will be ok. :)

[grobblewobble]

You don't have a wand of cold at all, or do you have one that you can't recharge because of mana battery? If the latter, logical order would be get teleport control, do library / mystic / HMV secret room for chaos removal, then charge up a wand of cold => all problems solved.

If you have no wand of cold at all, I would advise get teleport control, get chaos removal, then bypass the EG with teleportation.

Both methods avoid the need for thick gauntlets.

[boat]

Interesting. I got mana battery first, large cranium, followed by poison hands - so poison hands will be taken off first. Correct? No wand of cold that I know. From your guy's feedback it looks like I have a few options to proceed, and it seems as though I need to spend some more time leveling & farming before I should choose a certain route. (if I get TC first, or wands first, or thick gauntlets first) I will evaluate all my options based on levels and gear i find in the next few hours I play.

[Stingray1]

Interesting. I got mana battery first, large cranium, followed by poison hands - so poison hands will be taken off first. Correct? No wand of cold that I know. From your guy's feedback it looks like I have a few options to proceed, and it seems as though I need to spend some more time leveling & farming before I should choose a certain route. (if I get TC first, or wands first, or thick gauntlets first) I will evaluate all my options based on levels and gear i find in the next few hours I play.

There is also an excellent chance that you will get Frost Bolt erm Nether Bolt in the library.

[boat]

Finally found some thick gauntlets on UC 5 :)
Random monster drop.


Case closed for now.. I will be searching for corruption removal, but I already picked up a few more corruptions in the process :)