Help with wishes

[lochok]

I am thoroughly concerned about the how of not losing this character.

Basics - L17 Beastfighter, Saved Khel from a lucky wish in a random dungeon, Done the 6 quests, Liberated Griff's soul, Killed Rheptap. I'm yet to ROHK or Temple. Important bits from the VLG are in the follow up post. I note that I've still got the Chaos Healing scrolls from Khel.

I've found myself with 7-9 wishes - I had a 4 cast wand of wishing already stored in the ogre dungeon, and just found another 3 cast wand of wishing.

For the record, I'm just going after a regular victory. After 12 or so years of on and off play, I've never had one. I'm not going to risk any special victory even if my wishes and state makes me a textbook candidate.

I think I will save a wish for wands of destruction to finish the final level. I was also thinking scrolls of familiar summoning, again to help with the final level. Beyond that - I'm really not sure. I would suspect that rings of ice or red dragon scale mail might be helpful for the ToEF.

Anybody got any ideas of how to use these wishes to optimize my chance of winning?

[lochok]

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Character Information
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Ben St:16 Le:23 Wi:11 Dx:28 To:18 Ch: 2 Ap: 1 Ma:12 Pe:13 C
DV/PV: 42/11 H: 59(168) P: 6(50) Exp: 17/324441 M: 43803

Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
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Unarmed fighting 10 +9 +6 +4 excellent 318

Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks

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Bows 5 +10 +7 +1 skilled 51
Crossbows 4 +8 +6 +1 skilled 11

Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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Right hand: +46 bonus to hit, 1d14+29 damage

Damage caused with your missile weapons:
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Ammunition: 1, base range: 5, +29 bonus to hit, 1d6+18 damage



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Spells (pretty much all from the babbling head excepting Tele and Id)
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Cure Light Wounds: 7, 9pp (Effectivity: +0)
Darkness : 21, 7pp (Effectivity: +0)
Frost Bolt : 9, 22pp (Effectivity: +0)
Identify : 63, 102pp (Effectivity: +0)
Knock : 8, 23pp (Effectivity: +0)
Light : 123, 3pp (Effectivity: +1)
Magic Lock : 2, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
Magic Map : 10, 76pp (Effectivity: +0)
Magic Missile : 9, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
Slow Poison : 40, 9pp (Effectivity: +0)
Strength of Atlas: 10, 19pp (Effectivity: +0)
Teleportation : 83, 54pp (Effectivity: +0)


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Skills
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Athletics ................ 86 (great) [+3d3]
Backstabbing ............. 78 (great) [+2d4]
Climbing ................. 60 (good) [+3d5]
Dodge ....................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Find weakness ............100 (superb) [+1d5]
First aid ................ 22 (mediocre) [+4d5]
Haggling ................. 31 (fair) [+3d3]
Healing ..................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Herbalism ................ 91 (superb) [+2d4]
Listening ................100 (superb) [+3d4]
Literacy ................. 91 (superb) [+1]
Metallurgy ............... 6 (poor) [+3d4]
Mining ................... 41 (fair) [+1d3]
Stealth .................. 89 (great) [+3d3]
Survival ................. 54 (good) [+3d3]
Swimming .................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Tactics .................. 40 (fair) [+2d4]
Two weapon combat ........ 50 (fair) [+1]


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Effects of Corruption
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You sport a babbling mouth on your forehead that rants and raves dark
secrets (Le: +8, Ch: -6, Ap: -6, Pe: -4, stealth impossible).
You have become very light (1/10 weight, St: -6, Dx: +4, To: -6, Ap: -6, +20
speed).

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Inventory
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Total weight: 2044 stones Carrying capacity: 2450 stones

Head : uncursed mithril cap [+0, +2] [40s]
Neck : uncursed ankh [3s]
Body : uncursed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8} [60s]
Girdle : uncursed girdle of carrying [+0, +0] [15s]
Cloak : blessed leather cloak (-1, +0) [+1, +1] [40s]
Right Hand : -
Left Hand : -
Right Ring : uncursed ring of damage [1s]
Left Ring : uncursed ring of slaying (+6 melee damage, +6 missile damage)
Bracers : -
Gauntlets : -
Boots : uncursed boots of speed [+2, +0] (+8 spd) [20s]
Missile Weapon: uncursed short bow (+4, +0) [20s]
Missiles : uncursed arrow (+0, 1d6) [2s]
Tool : blessed pick axe of slaughtering (+0, 2d8+4) [75s]


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Stuff
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Total weight: 1767 stones Carrying capacity: 2450 stones

Armor ('[')
uncursed clothes [+0, +0] [40s]
Gauntlets ('[')
uncursed fencing gloves of fidelity [+3, +1] {Ch+6} [6s]
heap of 2 uncursed pairs of blue leather gauntlets [+0, +1] [20s]
uncursed thick gauntlets (-1, -2) [+0, +1] [15s]
uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
Girdles ('[')
uncursed girdle of greed [+2, +0] [7s]
Boots ('[')
uncursed heavy boots [-1, +1] [30s]
Necklaces (''')
uncursed amulet of greed [3s]
uncursed black torc [+4, +2] (+10 spd) [3s]
uncursed amulet of health [3s]
uncursed brass amulet [3s]
uncursed amulet of balance [3s]
uncursed amulet of protection from undead [3s]
blessed amulet of light [3s]
uncursed amulet of defense +2 [3s]
blessed amulet of health [3s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
blessed broken pick axe (+3, 1d6+2) [75s]
uncursed phase dagger (+0, 1d4) [5s]
uncursed mithril dagger (+0, 1d4+3) [8s]
uncursed mithril short sword (+0, 1d6+3) [24s]
Missile weapons ('}')
uncursed short bow (+1, -2) [20s]
uncursed hand crossbow (+0, +0) [30s]
uncursed short bow (+1, +0) [20s]
uncursed heavy crossbow of accuracy (+9, +3) [140s]
Missiles ('/')
uncursed quarrel (+4, 2d6) [2s]
bundle of 2 uncursed arrows (+3, 1d6) [4s]
bundle of 4 uncursed arrows (+1, 1d6+3) [8s]
bundle of 2 uncursed dark elven quarrels (+3, 1d4+3) [4s]
bundle of 2 uncursed mithril arrows (+0, 1d6+3) [4s]
uncursed arrow (+1, 1d6) [2s]
uncursed quarrel (+1, 2d6-3) [2s]
uncursed arrow (+0, 1d6) [2s]
bundle of 5 uncursed arrows (-1, 1d6) [10s]
bundle of 3 cursed quarrels of giant slaying (+3, 2d8+3) [12s]
uncursed quarrel of dragon slaying (+3, 2d6+3) [4s]
Tools (']')
heap of 2 uncursed waterproof blankets [20s]
uncursed tinderbox (26) [3s]
uncursed round key [1s]
uncursed triangular key [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed holy symbols [10s]
uncursed climbing set [180s]
uncursed small key [1s]
uncursed torch [10s]
heap of 2 uncursed sets of thieves picks [10s]
heap of 9 uncursed bandages [18s]
uncursed fireproof blanket [10s]
heap of 3 uncursed plain blankets [30s]
heap of 2 blessed sis [20s]
uncursed hexagonal key [1s]
cursed tiny key [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed sis [20s]
cursed si [10s]
Instruments ('{')
uncursed fiddle [15s]
Rings ('=')
uncursed ring of acid resistance [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed rings of damage [2s]
uncursed wedding ring [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed rings of cold resistance [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed rings of the fish [2s]
uncursed ring of fire resistance [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed rings of stun resistance [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed rings of searching [2s]
uncursed ring of defense +1 [1s]
uncursed ring of invisibility [1s]
Wands ('\')
uncursed wand of knocking (1 charge) [3s]
uncursed wand of wonder (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of fireballs (0 charges) {12 x Fireballs} [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of magic missiles (8 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of knocking (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of door creation (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of door creation (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of cold (2 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of trap creation (1 charge) [3s]
uncursed wand of cold (1 charge) [4s]
uncursed wand of fireballs (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of door creation (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of acid (0 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of knocking (10 charges) [3s]
blessed wand of digging (8 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of acid (2 charges) [4s]
cursed wand of digging (5 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of fireballs (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of wonder (5 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of monster creation (7 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of ball lightning (3 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of wishing (3 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of item detection (4 charges) [3s]
Potions ('!')
heap of 2 uncursed potions of invisibility [8s]
uncursed potion of potential toughness [4s]
heap of 6 uncursed potions of cure poison [12s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of ultra healing [4s]
uncursed potion of potential dexterity [4s]
uncursed berzio potion [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of balance [8s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of potential charisma [8s]
heap of 6 uncursed potions of extra healing [12s]
uncursed potion of stun recovery [2s]
uncursed potion of poison [4s]
uncursed potion of mana [4s]
uncursed potion of blindness [2s]
uncursed potion of willpower [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of booze [8s]
uncursed potion of wonder [2s]
heap of 2 potions of holy water [8s]
heap of 3 blessed potions of ultra healing [6s]
heap of 7 blessed potions of extra healing [14s]
uncursed oil of rust removal [2s]
heap of 6 uncursed potions of healing [24s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of boost willpower [4s]
uncursed potion of water [4s]
uncursed potion of insight [2s]
uncursed potion of carrot juice [4s]
Scrolls ('?')
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of satiation [4s]
heap of 5 uncursed scrolls of light [10s]
uncursed scroll of protection [2s]
uncursed blank scroll [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of power [4s]
heap of 4 uncursed scrolls of amnesia [8s]
uncursed scroll of charging [2s]
heap of 3 blessed scrolls of identify [6s]
uncursed papyrus scroll [2s]
uncursed scroll of defense [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of darkness [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of increase melee damage [4s]
uncursed scroll of peace [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of monster detection [4s]
heap of 3 uncursed scrolls of magic mapping [6s]
uncursed scroll of gold detection [2s]
heap of 3 uncursed scrolls of identify [6s]
uncursed scroll of monster aggravation [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of uncursing [4s]
blessed scroll of repair [2s]
Food ('%')
heap of 13 uncursed spenseweeds [26s]
heap of 8 uncursed stomacemptia herbs [16s]
heap of 9 uncursed alraunia antidotes [18s]
heap of 16 uncursed demon daisies [32s]
heap of 5 uncursed pepper petals [10s]
heap of 6 uncursed burb roots [12s]
heap of 9 uncursed devil's roses [18s]
heap of 3 uncursed lumps of beeswax [15s]
blessed large ration [200s]
heap of 11 uncursed curaria mancox herbs [22s]
heap of 8 uncursed moss patches of mareilon [16s]
heap of 33 cursed cooked lizards [99s]
heap of 15 blessed moss patches of mareilon [30s]
heap of 5 cursed moss patches of mareilon [10s]
blessed spenseweed [2s]
cursed spenseweed [2s]
Valuables ('$')
812 gold pieces [8s]
Gems ('*')
uncursed crystal of darkness [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed crystals of power [2s]
uncursed worthless piece of red glass [1s]
uncursed crystal of light [1s]
uncursed crystal of fire [1s]
heap of 3 uncursed worthless pieces of white glass [3s]
uncursed crystal of knowledge [1s]
uncursed emerald [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed worthless pieces of green glass [2s]

[grobblewobble]

What race are you, an orc?

The first thing you should do is to get crowned as soon as possible. All crowning gifts that a beastfighter can get are great. Nothing else improves your survivability more.
Since you have a large surplus of wishes, you might as well burn one or two of them on gold, in order to get crowned right now.

The second thing you should do is getting rid of the "very light" corruption. Strength and toughness are your most important attributes as a beastfighter, so a -6 penalty on both is terrible. Since you already saved Kelly, this should be easy without burning a wish.

Next, it depends on what your crowning gift was. If it wasn't preserver or BoW, I'd wish for at least 1 source of regeneration. Bracers, for example. RDSM is another nice wish, but not if you have already received =Fire or Nature's companion from crowning.

Then replace the girdle of carrying with a girdle of giant strength and bless it, to improve its durability.

Another great thing to wish for is wands of paralyzation. It trivializes many fights.

It is also possible to wish for arrows or quarrels of foo slaying.

[lochok]

Yup - I'm an Orc. I'm currently extremely close, so that should be doable.

Let see if I can survive for a little while longer!

Thanks for the advice.

[lochok]

Bracers of War!

[lochok]

But, lost the other 2 charges due to mana battery corruption :s

I've still got the 4 one though.

[grobblewobble]

But, lost the other 2 charges due to mana battery corruption :s
:/ I assume you removed the corruption now? Anyway, bracers of war, that's great, maybe the best. What immunity did you get?

Since you're an orc, you could consider wishing for potions of longevity so that the first hit from a ghost king doesn't kill you.

PS don't forget you can wrench a final charge from wands of wishing.

[lochok]

Yeah - I did, and yeah - I may. In my attempt to go C- (which eventually resulted from luring dwarves downstairs) I dug a grave... and unearthed a master lich who promptly summoned 4 ghost lords who are awaiting in the graveyard of the Caverns of Chaos. I want some ammo - which I'll hopefully find somewhere above to hopefully get rid of them from a distance.

I got the (at this point very fortunate) Fire Immunity. I had the Mummy Wrapping on when I was crowned.

I also used a wish on the Girdle of giant strength. If I put the Girdle, the rings, the bow, the boots and the pick in my backpack, I'll be wearing exclusively fireproof stuff. The backpack has a couple of fireproof blankets in it. I have a ring of fire resistance that I can use as well. Hopefully, almost ready for the ToEF.

[grobblewobble]

If I put the Girdle, the rings, the bow, the boots and the pick in my backpack, I'll be wearing exclusively fireproof stuff.
Rings never burn as long as they are under gauntlets. The girdle is made out of iron IIRC. If you bless it, it probably won't burn. I would wear it in the tower. The extra damage output is worth it. Bows and boots burn away easily, yeah.

Have you done the water temple yet? I always do that before the tower. The water orb is very good to have in the tower, because +10 willpower helps you to resist the confusion attacks of the wyrm. And emergency heals are great to have.


I have a ring of fire resistance that I can use as well.
Better to use a ring of damage, you're already fire immune.

[LexyBoy]

Definitely potions of longevity! And save a couple of wishes for more SoCR - as a melee character and crowned C- you'll get corrupted quite fast and although it might not be life-threatening, being able to control what you keep and what you lose is pretty powerful.

Personally I'm always a bit surprised at people wishing for GoGS, they never last long in my hands and always get destroyed fairly soon after I find them.


The second thing you should do is getting rid of the "very light" corruption. Strength and toughness are your most important attributes as a beastfighter, so a -6 penalty on both is terrible. Since you already saved Kelly, this should be easy without burning a wish.

Hmm, speed is also always good and +20 is hard to come by. Wishes for potions of toughness and potions of strength would be something I'd consider.

The minotaur maze will help too if you can be bothered and have a decent missile weapon. Train up thrown axes :)

[_Ln_]

Hmm, speed is also always good and +20 is hard to come by. Wishes for potions of toughness and potions of strength would be something I'd consider.

Speed on a beastfighter, especially at the cost of St, is a huge detriment. Beastfighters were hit pretty significantly by the xp nerfs already (unless you wish for EM), no need to make the problem worse.

[LexyBoy]

Ah, I see. Generally I'd rather have the speed than xp but for a beastfighter I'd agree that you want levels.

I must say that beasties are on my to-play list: I had a quick go a while back and it seemed pretty fun, but I don't have much experience with them.

[divij]

i cant believe no1 said this but....seven league boots are a massive upgrade to your inventory so wish for them. also bless them. ofcourse you could wish for potions of longevity or youth but much better would be alchemy which can provide you with these recipes at decent levels. other than that rdsm, =oice come to mind.. i wouldnt wish for any stat potions i feel they are a waste..but its your call. also mayb wish for spellbooks of slow monster, equip the crown of science and read them ...it is easily the most potent spell in the whole game which can make nuuragwan, asb, acw 'speed' down to 50ms or something stupid like that...best of luck and keep us updated!

[sylph]

My favourite wishes are rings of regeneration and rings of invisibility (in that order). Despite being relatively common items that you can expect to find in or before the casino in 4/5 games, they're easily enough for me to feel confident finishing the game with. I can't think of another wishable item that I expect to carry me to the end of the game, probably because the goods ones all get destroyed, whereas these rings are invulnerable if you wear artifact gauntlets (which as we know are gauranteed).

I think a ring of invisibility is more powerful for general dungeon diving, but weaker against special levels, and having more than 1 is pointless. Regeneration, on the other hand, still somewhat trivialises normal levels, eases most boss fights dramatically, and having 2 is double the fun!

In fact, were I to find myself with 7 wishes, I'd probably use 1 with on rings of regeneration, and save the other 6 for either scrolls of chaos resistance, slaying ammo, or other specialist items as and when I needed them. I've wished for 'torches' on D:50 before, ADOM can be like that. ;)

[_Ln_]

7 league boots are mostly redundant on a beastfighter unless you plan to walk around wilderness a lot. Wishing for Alchemy is not very good IMHO, as it will take forever to train (especially if longevity/youth potions are somewhere around the end of the list).

Rings of regen are not that hot when you have BoW.

If I were you, I'd consider checking the ice queen vault for the artifacts before heading towards the ToEF. Clearing a GV with your current level/gear is probably a bad idea, but nabbing some decent things should be reasonable.
Also, with that negligible Willpower you absolutely need the Water Orb for the ACW or you can spend one wish for potions of potential willpower and train with morgia.

Are you Raven-born by any chance?