Critically-hit for 600 HP, jolly good

[Jack the Ripper]

(Pretty long, chronological story of my char, skip to last paragraph for the coup de grace if not patient enough)
Well, Farmy was a Candle-born gnomish archer. He explored the upper-PC a bit, then went after Kranach, then went into DD, pickpocketed enough stuff to get Detect Traps using the Kranach money and the money for the accumulated loot in the Outlaw Village. Went down through SMC and UD, got to the HMV, didn't linger long, discovered he had an AoLS in his backpack so kept it nice and safe for Khelly. Went and did the Pyramid (teleported next to Rehetep, shot him with 2 slaying quarrels and left in quite a hurry), cleared Griffyard (got Silver Key from a pickpocket here, I think), killed the black druid, went down the whole PC cave, and, on the bottom, surprise-surprise, a surge of power and dead outlaw later, I had Ironfist in my possession.

From this moment on my goal was to get the stuff needed to do the ToEF, and, while I was at it, some nice stat-increasing potions, water, etc etc. , so I started scumming the Big Room quite a lot. Every passing dragon doubled my gold (put on ring of invis, dropped it, kicked it underneath him, let him pick it up, kill'im, repeat), slayed all trolls and lightning lizards with a dagger of hunting and blessed their corpses to get the regen rate reduction, got shock immunity, had earlier found black dragon scale mail. Went down the CoC, came back with loads of stuff, among it the shield Lust for Glory, so decided to do ToEF and RotHK and Gremlin Cave all in one wilderness go. Gave Garth 100 million GP for each stat just before this. Did all of'em easily, turned chaotic, fed ratling, was looking for boars, out of boredom cleared the Bug Cave and got the rewards, cleared the Assassin Guild, wandered about the forest some more and decided to go down the CoC (thought level 26 might not be enough for boar encounter) . Went past casino, ID-ed stuff inside, it had executor, a ring of elemental mastery and other not-sos-special-yet-useful goodies. Was preparing to go get extra money left-over from the training, had left 100 million GP in reserve above to pay for all the useful-looking loot, went down some more in the CoC, until I found a lesser vault of red dragons one level below the Earth Temple, so I decided to head back and get the money and the loot from above and bring it further down, or at least move it from Dwarftown into the level above Darkforge, since the shortcut was now clear.


It was at this point that disaster struck. I encountered a lovely little doppelganger king, started using wands of fire(balls) on him, had taken him down to critically damaged, selected berserk to give him the final blow in melee, and he withstood that hit and punched through my armor, hitting me for 600 HPs. Stashed in the Ogre Caves I had an extra amulet of life saving found randomly, a RoDS on me, and lots of healing potions etc etc. I really feel bad about this death. This little guy could've clobbered Andy, I feel. Anyhow, I've discovered that it's useful to keep some pen and paper nearby, and write down stuff worth remembering about the char. On the funny side, I found a waterproof blanket lying idly around in the ToEF, thought that was amuzing, as well as a rusty helmet. FLG coming in next post

[Jack the Ripper]

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Farmy St:60 Le:56 Wi:52 Dx:46 To:56 Ch:36 Ap: 6 Ma:17 Pe:43 C
DV/PV: 62/51 H: -128(643) P: 298(298) Exp: 36/6124631 D: 36 Sp: 111
Confused Invisible Berserk
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Inventory
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Total weight: 23153 stones Carrying capacity: 34104 stones

Head : uncursed mithril cap [+0, +5] [40s]
Neck : blessed amulet of free action [3s]
Body : blessed eternium plate mail (-1, -2) [-1, +13] [240s]
Girdle : blessed girdle of carrying [+0, +0] [15s]
Cloak : uncursed cloak of defense [+4, +0] [20s]
Right Hand : uncursed mithril spear of devastation (+1, 5d8+9) [40s]
Left Hand : uncursed tower adamantium shield (-2) [+11, +2] [108s]
Right Ring : blessed ring of ice [1s]
Left Ring : blessed ring of invisibility [1s]
Bracers : uncursed bracers of defense [+2, +0] [10s]
Gauntlets : uncursed iron gauntlets "Ironfist" (-1, +0) [+1, +3] {St+7}
Boots : blessed seven league boots [+1, +0] [30s]
Missile weapon: uncursed heavy crossbow of accuracy (+9, +4) [140s]
Missiles : bundle of 26 uncursed quarrels (+1, 2d6) [52s]
Tool : uncursed pick axe (-5, 1d6-5) [75s]


Stuff

Total weight: 22368 stones Carrying capacity: 34104 stones

Armor ('[')
uncursed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8} [60s]
uncursed elven chain mail [+3, +5] [10s]
blessed black dragon scale mail (-2, -4) [-2, +11] [200s]
blessed robe of defense [+6, +4] [60s]
uncursed robe of invisibility [+0, +3] [60s]

Shields ('[')
uncursed tower mithril shield (+1) [+9, +4] [120s]
uncursed intricate wooden shield "Nature's Friend" [+6, +3] [80s]
Cloaks('[')
uncursed cloak of protection [+0, +8] [20s]

Boots ('[')
uncursed gnomish boots (+2, +1) [+5, +0] [10s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed orcish knife of hunting (+0, 1d3+2) [10s]
uncursed mithril warhammer (+0, 2d3+6) [48s]
uncursed orcish knife of might (+0, 1d3+2) [10s]
uncursed adamantium dagger of penetration (+3, 1d4+5) [7s]
uncursed broken pick axe (-2, 1d6-4) [75s]

Two-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed mithril two-handed sword of hunting (+6, 3d5+6) [-1, +0] [80s]
uncursed eternium halberd of slaughtering (+11, 5d9+8) [-2, +0] [50s]
uncursed quarterstaff (+0, 1d10+2) [40s]
cursed barbed trident of hunting (+2, 3d5+4) [70s]
cursed lawful heavy club of devastation (+3, 5d10+6) [-1, +0] [120s]
cursed lawful two-handed sword of devastation (-6, 7d5+9) [-1, +0][100s]
uncursed two-handed sword (+5, 3d5+3) [-1, +0] [100s]
uncursed staff of the magi (+2, 1d10) [+3, +3] {Ma+9} [40s]
uncursed frozen two-handed sword (+3, 3d5+3) [-1, +0] [100s]
blessed swift great axe (+0, 2d7+5) [-2, +0] [105s]

uncursed ring of djinni summoning [1s]
uncursed ring of ice [1s]

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Weapon Skills
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Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
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Unarmed fighting 3 +2 +1 +0 basic 10
Daggers & knives 9 +9 +5 +2 excellent 624
Pole arms 12 +14 +8 +16 Mastery 4837

Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks
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Bows 10 +20 +15 +3 excellent 658
Crossbows 8 +16 +12 +2 excellent 87
Thrown rocks & clubs 6 +12 +9 +2 skilled 121


Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks
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Shields 10 +20 excellent 1486


Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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?Right hand: ?+131? bonus to hit, ?5d8+62? damage


Damage caused with your missile weapons:
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?Ammunition: ?26?, base range: ?60?, ?+126? bonus to hit, ?2d6+51? damage

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Spells
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Cure Light Wounds: 255, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
Darkness : 118, 4pp (Effectivity: +4)
Light : 224, 3pp (Effectivity: +4)
Slow Monster : 300, 7pp (Effectivity: +1)
Slow Poison : 556, 6pp (Effectivity: +0)
Teleportation : 467, 22pp (Effectivity: +2)


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Effects of Corruption
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You have grown thorns (3d3 melee damage, Dx: -2, Ap: -3).
Your corrupted tissue seems to heal much faster.
Your skin is covered by tough scales (PV: +8, Dx: -6, Ap: -4).



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His achievements during his adventures:
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Farmy, the gnomish archer, was killed by a doppleganger king.
He scored 962986 points and advanced to level 36.
He survived for 0 years, 72 days, 4 hours, 41 minutes and 18 seconds (96514
turns).
Farmy visited 99 places.
His strength score was modified by +40 during his career.
His learning score was modified by +43 during his career.
His willpower score was modified by +42 during his career.
His dexterity score was modified by +34 during his career.
His toughness score was modified by +42 during his career.
His charisma score was modified by +24 during his career.
His appearance score was modified by +2 during his career.
His mana score was modified by +4 during his career.
His perception score was modified by +29 during his career.
He was unnaturally aged by 3 years.
He was the champion of the arena.
He was the head of the thieves guild.
He made a little water dragon very happy.
He stopped the generation of nasty bugs.
He saved Khelavaster from certain death.
He ended his adventuring life on level 36 of the caverns of chaos.
6852 monsters perished under his attacks.
The following 19 artifacts were generated during his adventure:
the si
the dwarven rune axe "Rolf's Companion"
the scythe of corruption "Moon Sickle"
the golden gladius "Death's Sting"
the Chaos Orb of Elemental Water
the Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire
the lead-filled mace "Big Punch"
the silver key
the sword of Nonnak
the elemental gauntlets
the ring of the High Kings
the phial of Caladriel
the crown of science
the ancient mummy wrapping
the ankh
the intricate wooden shield "Nature's Friend"
the black torc
the jet-black battle axe "Executor"
the iron gauntlets "Ironfist"
He possessed the following intrinsics:
He was fire resistant.
He was poison resistant.
He was cold resistant.
He was lucky.
Fate smiled upon him.
He was able to control teleportation.
He was invisible (gained through an item).
He was stun resistant (gained through an item).
He was paralyzation resistant (gained through an item).
He was immune to shock attacks.
He had the following talents: Alert, Beast of Burden, Eagle Eye, Good
Learner, Good Shot, Healthy, Keen Shot, Lightning Shot, Master Packager,
Miser, Porter, Potent Aura, Quick, Quick Shot, Treasure Hunter.
He had a final speed score of 111 (final base speed: 111).
He was a fervent follower of Urglyn.
He asked for 2 divine interventions.
He was chaotically aligned.
He was tainted by Chaos.


Snipped quite a lot of the inventory and the FLG because of the 10 000 characters limit. Left in some of the weirder items generated [+0 +8] cloak, etc etc. Thanks to Soirana for the tip about corroding pickaxes from the Merchant guide, it's very useful.

[JellySlayer]

As a general rule of thumb, fighting doggleganger kings in melee is a bad idea.

[Xevoc]

Just wondering... which random monsters are capable of doing most damage in melee in a single round in the game (not counting SMC and infinite dungeon or other ridiculously experienced monsters)?

Late game:

- Greater titan (200 damage ~always, but how hard can they hit?)
- Doppleganger king (700 damage seems possible)
- Greater moloch (even 1000 damage possible?)

Mid game:

- Berserker emperor (100 damage easily)
- Werewolf king (100 damage easily)

It's funny there are many monsters which are way more dangeours than the chaos god himself.

[Jack the Ripper]

As a general rule of thumb, fighting doggleganger kings in melee is a bad idea.

I've just learned that one the hard way. :(

[JellySlayer]

Just wondering... which random monsters are capable of doing most damage in melee in a single round in the game (not counting SMC and infinite dungeon or other ridiculously experienced monsters)?

Late game:

- Greater titan (200 damage ~always, but how hard can they hit?)
- Doppleganger king (700 damage seems possible)
- Greater moloch (even 1000 damage possible?)

Mid game:

- Berserker emperor (100 damage easily)
- Werewolf king (100 damage easily)

It's funny there are many monsters which are way more dangeours than the chaos god himself.

If you don't have the right elemental resistance, any wyrm can do breath attacks in excess of 500 damage. Water dragon can easily do 300+ damage in one round as well. Master Cat can do a couple hundred damage per turn. MaLaKaI is probably the most damaging, if I had to guess. I think he has 8 attacks at 100+ damage per hit.

I was just hit for 360 by a greater titan. That wasn't a critical hit, and I have 50 PV...

[pblack]

So lust for glory still exists? Or did you mean the nature's friend?

Anyhow, never seen the silver key generated outside of thief crowning present. Interesting stuff.

[Andy Williams]

So lust for glory still exists? Or did you mean the nature's friend?

Anyhow, never seen the silver key generated outside of thief crowning present. Interesting stuff.

Nature's Friend. Check the FLG. Lust For Glory supposedly can't be generated in 1.1.1 unless the executable is hacked.

[JellySlayer]

That's very interesting... do you happen to remember where you found the silver key? I was also under the impression it was a crowning only artifact.

[Conundrum]

From his original post...

cleared Griffyard (got Silver Key from a pickpocket here, I think)

[Grey]

Evidently using ToGu's patch, which makes the death even worse - in the regular game that doppler king would have berserked and caused over 1000 damage.

[pblack]

Nature's Friend. Check the FLG. Lust For Glory supposedly can't be generated in 1.1.1 unless the executable is hacked.

He said lust for glory in his post. But the flg show nature's friend so as I suspected it was just a misnomer ;)

Hmm.. nice, I just noticed that he generated an adamantium dagger of penetration as well. Amazing luck. But i guess its worthless if the PC died right? ;P

[Jack the Ripper]

Sorry, it was Nature's Friend, not Lust for Glory. The two of them, cumulated, seem to give every resistance in the game, just like the long sword Trusted One. Nature's Friends is the one with all the elemental resistances, so used for ToEF.

Not really sure about the silver key, because that trek in the wilderness was something like: do Pyramid, get to Griffyard, pickpocket everything on the level above, pickpocket each skeleton that attacked while in the tunnel, dump valuable/heavy stuff, go finish off Keethrax. While descending towards Keethrax I noticed a weird message when opening the door, because it'd been done with the silver key. I'd never seen it before either. I like pickpocketting. You get extra water, and occasionally a really good item, or something moderately useful: blankets of all 3 types, the iron gauntlets ironfist etc etc. And while you're at it your shield gets to block and deflect attacks, increasing your skill in Shields, so it's useful.

Yeah, I'm using the ToGu patch, maybe that's why I could find it. It does indeed state that it makes several non-guaranteed artifacts obtainable again. I'm actually kind of annoyed by the prevention of the monster fighting in a blind rage, because that would've been fair. On the other hand, the one useful thing it ought to do, stop monsters levelling up so quickly, well, it doesn't do it, or at least I don't notice much of a difference. Large spiders always become a huge pain, so do jackals. I mostly get it with spiders because I wander around the Big Room a lot.

[Andy Williams]

Not really sure about the silver key ... Yeah, I'm using the ToGu patch, maybe that's why I could find it. It does indeed state that it makes several non-guaranteed artifacts obtainable again.

There's more to this business about "Crowning artifacts are not available randomly." than is currently understood (by me, at least). The Bracers of War, the Emerald Dagger, the Robes of Resistance, even Executor, for god's sake, are supposedly crowning artifacts for certain classes, yet they are certainly available randomly in 1.1.1. Other crowning artifacts seem not to be available randomly - the Shirt of the Saints and of course Vanquisher spring to mind.

[JellySlayer]

Well, my understanding is that there is a list of "random artifacts" that can be found by all players. These include Whirlwind, Executor, Wyrmlance, etc.

Some of these artifacts can also be crowning gifts. In fact, many of them are.

There is another set of artifacts that cannot be found randomly, and are only available when the player is crowned. Justifier, Vanquisher, Sun's Messenger, etc. fall into this category.

[pblack]

There's more to this business about "Crowning artifacts are not available randomly." than is currently understood (by me, at least). The Bracers of War, the Emerald Dagger, the Robes of Resistance, even Executor, for god's sake, are supposedly crowning artifacts for certain classes, yet they are certainly available randomly in 1.1.1. Other crowning artifacts seem not to be available randomly - the Shirt of the Saints and of course Vanquisher spring to mind.

Fact. I didn't know vanquisher was in the bunch too. I guess i never realized it.

[Andy Williams]

Well, my understanding is that there is a list of "random artifacts" that can be found by all players.

That seems to fit the observations. So the question arises what's the easiest way to generate a list. Scum PoU results? How spoily do we get in general posts? And how is the select the spoily text thing done? Wrap HTML tags and specify font color?

[JellySlayer]

For spoily, you can do [color=lemonchiffon ]some spoily text here[/ color] without the spaces.

This is the list the I used when writing the ADOM Wiki: Artifact (http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/Artifact). I'm pretty confident in the placements of about 98% of the artifacts there. There's only one or two that I'm not completely sure of.

You could probably test it by just repeatedly generating level 50 characters in ADOMBot, then getting the a bunch of precrowns. The only limitation would be that you'd have to assume that the precrown list is entirely the same as the random list... Alternatively, just going through the hall of fame as seeing what the artifact lists look like would probably work okay.

[Jack the Ripper]

That seems to fit the observations. So the question arises what's the easiest way to generate a list. Scum PoU results? How spoily do we get in general posts? And how is the select the spoily text thing done? Wrap HTML tags and specify font color?

AFAIK, somehow some of the non-guaranteed artifacts weren't obtainabile anymore. Togu thought this was a bug on TB's part, so his patch made them available again. Using the patch, I've definitely obtained Vanquisher as a pre-crown gift. Don't really know what exactly the problem is in Adom 1.1.1. . I'll try digging up the RGRA archives. Might find something useful.

[Andy Williams]

AFAIK, somehow some of the non-guaranteed artifacts weren't obtainabile anymore. Togu thought this was a bug on TB's part, so his patch made them available again. Using the patch, I've definitely obtained Vanquisher as a pre-crown gift. Don't really know what exactly the problem is in Adom 1.1.1. . I'll try digging up the RGRA archives. Might find something useful.

As I understand it, TB's implementation of class-specific crowning gifts was intended. This was to stop complaints about "stupid" deities giving a beastfighter a weapon as a crowning gift, for example. This may have had the unintended consequence of making certain artifacts unobtainable by any means; Lust For Glory is such a case. It also, presumably intentionally, made some artifacts obtainable only by certain classes at crowning time. Another effect was that the crowning gift was decided at the start of the game. Prior to this, crowning gifts were randomly decided at crowning time (making them scummable). ToGu's patch, as I understand it, does away with class-specific crowning gifts, among other things. That is probably not a good thing. The other things it does are debatable.

[Grey]

The list of random artifacts JellySlayer linked to is correct. It has been tested in game with multiple precrowns (which showed a roughly even spread of probabilities for each). To be honest I can easily recite that list by heart from my max precrown games... Is the list in the GB? If not it's worthy of mention somewhere, perhaps in the precrown section. It's worth noting that many of them are fairly undesirable, especially for beastfighters - multiple precrowns often lead to disappointment. Also any of the random arts weighing 10s or less can be pickpocketed (that's BoW, Preserver, IronFist, RoI, Soaker and Whirlwind). All of the artifacts can be generated in greater vaults, surges of power, shops, uselessness gifts or just at random, assuming they haven't been preselected as the crowning gift and the danger level is high enough.

[vogonpoet]

Meanwhile, back on the topic of the OP, if you absolutely must melee a doppelganger king, do so with a humanoid slaying weapon. My current archer just Executed two of those bastards in the TotHK waiting for my Ogre Mage to turn up, barely broke sweat.

[omega_red]

Just wondering... which random monsters are capable of doing most damage in melee in a single round in the game (not counting SMC and infinite dungeon or other ridiculously experienced monsters)?


Demented ratlings seem to have 392 hitpoints on the average. Usually they
attack 16 times. A hit causes 86-159 points of damage (114 on the average).
They seem to have a speed of 124-244 (140 on the average).

16x114 = 1824? ;) And that was with just 6 artifacts..

[Sradac]

Or poke the doppleganger king with a phase dagger works wonders, especially with skill level 7+ in daggers you do decent damage then.