Proper mindcrafter archmage

[Soirana]

So, proper no cheats involved troll mindcrafter who wanted to be archmage. So far reached dwarftown.

Picked up precrown in VD (Justifier:(). Waldenbrook has serpent bite, but i think that weapon does not fit neither troll nor archmage.



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Miarch St:24 Le:11 Wi:16 Dx:15 To:25 Ch: 5 Ap: 9 Ma:11 Pe:10 L
DV/PV: 30/13 H: 105(105) P: 56(56) Exp: 10/84314 D: 11 Sp: 90
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Miarch St:24 Le:11 Wi:16 Dx:15 To:25 Ch: 5 Ap: 9 Ma:11 Pe:10 L
DV/PV: 30/13 H: 105(105) P: 56(56) Exp: 10/84314 M: 21848



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Name: Miarch Race: female Troll Class: Mindcrafter
Eye color: black Hair color: white Complexion: tanned
Height: 8'1" Weight: 414 pounds
Age: 17 (grown-up)
Star sign: Candle Birthday: 27/Candle (day 297 of the year)

Swords 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 23
Axes 7 +5 +4 +1 skilled 374
Pole arms 5 +5 +2 +4 skilled 149
Twohanded weapons 5 +4 +6 +1 skilled 159


Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks

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Slings 2 +4 +3 +0 basic 11
Bows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Crossbows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown axes & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown daggers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown rocks & clubs 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 5
Thrown spears 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 5
Boomerangs & scurgari 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7

Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks

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Shields 7 +14 skilled 86

Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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Right hand: +26 bonus to hit, 1d6+15 damage

Damage caused with your missile weapons:
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Ammunition: 19, base range: 4, +12 bonus to hit, 1d4+12 damage




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Spells
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Fire Bolt: 10, 19pp (Effectivity: +0)


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Skills
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Athletics ................ 28 (mediocre) [+2d4]
Bridge building .......... 23 (mediocre) [+3d4] (mr)
Climbing ................. 37 (fair) [+1d5]
Concentration ............100 (superb) [+2d4]
First aid ................ 39 (fair) [+2d4]
Food preservation ........ 66 (good) [+1]
Gemology ................. 44 (fair) [+3d5]
Haggling ................. 27 (mediocre) [+4d5]
Healing .................. 50 (fair) [+1d3]
Herbalism ................ 52 (good) [+1d5]
Listening ................ 49 (fair) [+3d5]
Literacy ................. 78 (great) [+3d3]
Mining ................... 15 (mediocre) [+3d4]
Music .................... 52 (good) [+1d3]
Pick pockets ............. 1 (poor) [+3d4]
Stealth .................. 44 (fair) [+1d5]
Swimming ................. 20 (mediocre) [+3d4]




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Inventory
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Total weight: 2795 stones Carrying capacity: 5550 stones

Head : blessed bone helmet [+0, +1] [40s]
Neck : uncursed amulet of light [3s]
Body : uncursed mithril ring mail (-1, -1) [+2, +5] [240s]
Girdle : blessed girdle of carrying [+0, +0] [15s]
Cloak : uncursed leather cloak (-1, +0) [+1, +1] [40s]
Right Hand : uncursed flaming battle axe (+3, 1d6+2) [70s]
Left Hand : uncursed large crystal shield (-1) [+10, +2] [210s]
Right Ring : uncursed ring of searching [1s]
Left Ring : -
Bracers : -
Gauntlets : uncursed white leather gauntlets [+0, +1] [10s]
Boots : uncursed leather boots [+3, +0] [25s]
Missile Weapon: uncursed sling (+0, +4) [3s]
Missiles : heap of 19 uncursed rocks (+0, 1d4) [95s]
Tool : heap of 7 uncursed moss patches of mareilon [14s]


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Total weight: 2029 stones Carrying capacity: 5550 stones

Armor ('[')
uncursed leather armor of health [+1, +2] [150s]
Cloaks ('[')
cursed cloak of adornment (+1, -1) [+3, +0] {Ap+4} [40s]
Necklaces (''')
uncursed pendant of beauty {Ap+4} [3s]
uncursed amulet of perseverance {Wi+3} [3s]
uncursed amulet of balance [3s]
uncursed amulet of light [3s]
uncursed necklace of rapid healing [2s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed pick axe (+1, 1d6+1) [75s]
blessed holy avenger "Justifier" (+4, 3d5+10) [+6, +2] [60s]
Missile weapons ('}')
uncursed long bow (+2, +2) [30s]
blessed short bow (+1, +0) [20s]
Missiles ('/')
bundle of 60 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6) [120s]
uncursed rock (+1, 1d4) [5s]
bundle of 4 uncursed arrows and hunting (+0, 1d6) [8s]
bundle of 7 uncursed lead sling bullets (+3, 1d5+1) [21s]
uncursed throwing knife (+1, 1d3+2) [8s]
uncursed arrow (+2, 1d6) [2s]
bundle of 2 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6+1) [4s]
uncursed arrow (+0, 1d6-2) [2s]
uncursed weighted arrow (+0, 1d6+4) [2s]
bundle of 2 uncursed arrows and thunder (+0, 1d6) [4s]
uncursed arrow (+0, 1d6-1) [2s]
bundle of 3 uncursed arrows (+3, 1d6) [6s]
uncursed arrow (-2, 1d6) [2s]
bundle of 12 uncursed arrows (+1, 1d6) [24s]
uncursed griffon-feathered arrow (+0, 1d6) [2s]
uncursed delicate arrow (+0, 1d6) [2s]
bundle of 10 uncursed quarrels (+1, 2d6) [20s]
uncursed mithril arrow (+0, 1d6+3) [2s]
bundle of 2 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6+3) [4s]
uncursed arrow of slaying (+0, 1d6) [2s]
bundle of 4 uncursed black hurthling quarrels (+1, 1d3+2) [8s]
bundle of 7 blessed adamantium arrows (+1, 1d6+6) [7s]
bundle of 10 uncursed arrows of jelly slaying (+5, 2d4+3) [20s]
bundle of 9 uncursed arrows of construct slaying (+3, 1d6+3) [18s]
bundle of 5 uncursed quarrels of undead slaying (+3, 2d6+3) [20s]
bundle of 5 uncursed quarrels (+2, 2d6) [10s]
uncursed arrow (+0, 1d6+2) [2s]
bundle of 10 blessed arrows of jelly slaying (+3, 2d4+3) [20s]
Tools (']')
uncursed fireproof blanket [10s]
uncursed triangular key [1s]
blessed tinderbox (14) [3s]
uncursed tiny key [1s]
uncursed plain blanket [10s]
uncursed hexagonal key [1s]
uncursed torch (1068 turns of fuel remaining) [10s]
blessed wooden stick [30s]
uncursed box with flint and steel (37) [5s]
heap of 2 uncursed sis [20s]
uncursed tinderbox (6) [3s]
blessed stethoscope [5s]
Instruments ('{')
uncursed glockenspiel [120s]
Rings ('=')
heap of 2 uncursed rings of stun resistance [2s]
uncursed ring of cold resistance [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed rings of searching [2s]
uncursed ring of protection +1 [1s]
heap of 3 uncursed rings of damage [3s]
uncursed ring of fire resistance [1s]
uncursed ring of djinni summoning [meh]
uncursed ring of acid resistance [1s]
Wands ('\')
uncursed wand of far slaying (7 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of monster creation (5 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of wonder (6 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of knocking (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of fire (1 charge) [4s]
uncursed wand of monster detection (5 charges) {ZZ} [3s]
uncursed wand of teleportation (1 charge) [4s]
cursed wand of door creation (2 charges) [3s]
Potions ('!')
heap of 3 uncursed potions of insight [6s]
uncursed potion of poison [4s]
uncursed oil of rust removal [2s]
heap of 2 potions of holy water [8s]
heap of 4 uncursed potions of invisibility [16s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of booze [8s]
uncursed potion of dexterity [4s]
uncursed potion of extra healing [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of cure poison [4s]
heap of 3 uncursed potions of healing [12s]
blessed potion of carrot juice [4s]
blessed potion of willpower [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of boost speed [4s]
uncursed potion of beauty [4s]
blessed potion of booze [4s]
uncursed potion of blindness [2s]
uncursed potion of ultra healing [2s]
blessed potion of gain attributes [4s]
blessed potion of healing [4s]
uncursed potion of training [2s]
Scrolls ('?')
uncursed scroll of defense [2s]
blessed scroll of identify [2s]
heap of 4 uncursed scrolls of darkness [8s]
heap of 3 blessed scrolls of uncursing [6s]
uncursed scroll of repair [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of great identify [4s]
blessed blank scroll [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of power [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed blank scrolls [4s]
uncursed scroll of vermin control [2s]
uncursed scroll of magic mapping [2s]
blessed scroll of amnesia [2s]
uncursed scroll of uncursing [2s]
uncursed scroll of familiar summoning [2s]
uncursed scroll of amnesia [2s]
uncursed scroll of protection [2s]
Food ('%')
uncursed loaf of hurthling bread [30s]
heap of 4 uncursed loaves of bread [160s]
uncursed dwarven sausage [20s]
heap of 2 uncursed melons [40s]
uncursed bit of plain candy [2s]
blessed herb seed [2s]
blessed dwarven sausage [20s]
heap of 6 uncursed morgia roots [12s]
heap of 22 uncursed spenseweeds [44s]
heap of 2 uncursed devil's roses [4s]
blessed moss of mareilon [2s]
blessed spenseweed [2s]
uncursed piece of fresh meat [20s]
blessed iron ration [100s]
heap of 4 uncursed demon daisies [8s]
heap of 6 uncursed curaria mancox herbs [12s]
heap of 9 uncursed alraunia antidotes [18s]
heap of 2 blessed demon daisies [4s]
heap of 4 uncursed stomafillia herbs [8s]
heap of 12 uncursed burb roots [24s]
heap of 6 uncursed pepper petals [12s]
heap of 2 blessed burb roots [4s]
heap of 3 uncursed stomacemptia herbs [6s]
uncursed large ration [200s]
blessed stomafillia herb [2s]
heap of 2 cursed morgia roots [4s]
Valuables ('$')
12082 gold pieces [120s]
Gems ('*')
uncursed crystal of power [1s]
uncursed crystal of knowledge [1s]


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Killed Monsters
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956 monsters perished under her attacks.

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Achievements
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She survived for 0 years, 22 days, 14 hours, 24 minutes and 46 seconds
(21848 turns).
Miarch visited 40 places.
Her willpower score was modified by +1 during her career.
Her dexterity score was modified by +2 during her career.
Her toughness score was modified by +1 during her career.
Her appearance score was modified by +1 during her career.
Her mana score was modified by +2 during her career. [kobold shamans]
Her perception score was modified by +1 during her career.





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Playing Time
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You played for 2 hours, 11 minutes and 24 seconds.


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Ancient Domains Of Mystery
Release 60 [the latest which goes without graphics]
Windows Build: Aug 23 2015 14:35:34

[Soirana]

p.s. As far as I get troll does not bring extra penalties to book reading, which are not covered by being mindcrafter.

[Blasphemous]

There is something with MC and Justifier though. Mine got it too.

As for trolls, I think even if they suffered any penalties to book reading, they would pale in comparison to the class penalty that MCs get.

[Soirana]

As for trolls, I think even if they suffered any penalties to book reading, they would pale in comparison to the class penalty that MCs get.

They do get penalty. Or rather they do not get bonus from character level.
But that is just one of things mindcrafters do not get either.

[Soirana]

Well, greater demon killed dwarven elder (can't recall if that ever happened to me before). So no Big Punch and Griff quest reward.

I do plan cross the area several times, so maybe it's time for some mining/gemology ... dwarven smith is also dead... well, si selling in such case.

[Blasphemous]

I had the ratling killed by demon some years back but never the elder, though he was panicking at some point.
What do you stand to gain from gemology? I had it fairly early maxed out, but by the endgame, I had only about 10 crystals of power.
Not that much all things considered.
I guess crystals of knowledge might be of some use to trolls but the effects cap at around 25 and that's assuming your potential permits these numbers.

[Soirana]

Gemology brings money to buy the dagger,since I can't get Big Punch.

[Carter]

So, proper no cheats involved troll mindcrafter who wanted to be archmage. So far reached dwarftown.

Picked up precrown in VD (Justifier:(). Waldenbrook has serpent bite, but i think that weapon does not fit neither troll nor archmage.


sounds good see you in 10 years when you naturally generate a spellbook of wish

[Soirana]

So, bad news:
- lost few points of St to vampires.
- used all the money on that stupid dagger
- ratling rebel is gone so no free sample of scroll of peace
- forgot to put mana pendant before hitting lv15, so couldn't take proper magic talent:(.

Good news:
-got moloch armor lying somewhere ~D11
-connected 7lb and weapon of dooming... I think I will booze up wand of wonder connect it to one of books I got and train mana, while preherding boars.


sounds good see you in 10 years when you naturally generate a spellbook of wish
Wanna put some wager on that?

[Blasphemous]

Gemology brings money to buy the dagger,since I can't get Big Punch.

Why not just steal it? Potions of invis are common.

[Soirana]

I tried invis, but it failed as usual with Waldy. It's not like I had good uses for 100k gold with dwarven trainer dead anyway.

[mjkittredge]

how do you do the trick with the ratling rebel to get multiple blank scrolls?

[Soirana]

how do you do the trick with the ratling rebel to get multiple blank scrolls?

Just chat repeatedly and plop all resulting spam in normal water?

I actually was more interested in getting example of peace scroll for DL manipulations. Well, it's not like I plan start farming anytime soon.

[Blasphemous]

I tried invis, but it failed as usual with Waldy. It's not like I had good uses for 100k gold with dwarven trainer dead anyway.

You'll have to first find a place to ditch all those gems. My recent experiences with shopkeepers left me with less than 20k after selling stuff to Waldy, Leggot and a random shop.
Sure, they eventually replenish their gold reserves but it might take some time.

[Soirana]

So, in nutshell:
grabbed high rings king, did tower, decided to go to Casino....
Then I rembered I planned farm xp on eternal guardians, so bypassed him, checked casino (got farlsayer) and went down.
I bypassed cat lord (thanks to the eyes of mind) and cleared couple elemental temples (used 30+ fireball wand charges in Earth temple, but I don't fancy that place anyway).

Somwhere found necklace of eye (good) and stashed dozen tame giant boars above animated forest. Guess, I should do Frost queen stuff...



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Miarch St:35 Le:24 Wi:21 Dx:18 To:32 Ch: 1 Ap: 2 Ma:22 Pe:10 N+
DV/PV: 50/39 H: 272(272) P: 139(213) Exp: 22/3597589 D: 1 Sp: 86
Satiated Strained M: 75876


Daggers & knives 12 +14 +8 +4 Mastery 2495
Axes 11 +10 +8 +3 Mastery 1980
Pole arms 5 +5 +2 +4 skilled 49
Twohanded weapons 5 +4 +6 +1 skilled 82


Bows 7 +14 +10 +2 skilled 202
Crossbows 4 +8 +6 +1 skilled 38

Shields 11 +22 Mastery 2849


Right hand: +54 bonus to hit, 3d4+33 damage
Ammunition: 13, base range: 11, +25 bonus to hit, 1d6+22 damage


Darkness : 3, 7pp (Effectivity: +0)
Fire Bolt : 12, 18pp (Effectivity: +0)
Fireball : 1, 39pp (Effectivity: +0)
Invisibility : 8, 19pp (Effectivity: +0)
Knock : 8, 23pp (Effectivity: +0)
Know Alignment: 1, 19pp (Effectivity: +0)
Light : 7, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
Lightning Bolt: 2, 23pp (Effectivity: +0)
Magic Missile : 7, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
Scare Monster : 10, 22pp (Effectivity: +0)
Web : 5, 23pp (Effectivity: +0)


Athletics ................ 28 (mediocre) [+2d4](last thing i need is speed increase)
Backstabbing ............. 72 (great) [+3d4]
Bridge building .......... 23 (mediocre) [+3d4] (mr)
Climbing ................. 45 (fair) [+1d3]
Concentration ............100 (superb) [+2d4]
First aid ................ 54 (good) [+1d3]
Food preservation ........ 73 (great) [+1]
Gemology ................. 61 (good) [+3d3]
Haggling ................. 27 (mediocre) [+4d5]
Healing .................. 88 (great) [+1]
Herbalism ................ 77 (great) [+1]
Listening ................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Literacy ................. 93 (superb) [+2d4]
Mining ................... 58 (good) [+1d5]
Music .................... 76 (great) [+1]
Pick pockets ............. 1 (poor) [+3d4]
Stealth ..................100 (superb) [+1] (guess, should visit library too, Farsight and SoA would be nice)
Swimming ................. 33 (fair) [+3d4]
Tactics .................. 72 (great) [+1]
Two weapon combat ........ 54 (good) [+1]




Your legs have stretched into long, fragile stilts (Base movement cost: 750
energy points; PV: -4; -4 kicking damage; Ap: -6).
Your eye(s) turned black (Pe: +3).
You rage (DV: -9, +6 melee damage)!
You sport a babbling mouth on your forehead that rants and raves dark
secrets (Le: +8, Ch: -6, Ap: -6, Pe: -4, stealth impossible).
Your bones are made from bronze (Dx: -2, DV: -2, PV: +3).
You have become extremely thin and nimble (1/2 weight, DV: +6).
(I think most of that come through corrupting monster hits...)


Head : uncursed eternium cap [+0, +4] [28s]
Neck : uncursed ankh [3s]
Body : uncursed black dragon scale mail (-2, -4) [-1, +11] [200s]
Girdle : uncursed adamantium girdle [+0, +3] [18s]
Cloak : uncursed cloak of adornment (+1, -1) [+3, +0] {Ap+4} [40s]
Right Hand : blessed emerald dagger "Serpent's Bite" (+3, 3d4+3) [+3, +1]
Left Hand : uncursed tower eternium shield (-1) [+13, +4] [70s]
Right Ring : uncursed ring of regeneration [1s]
Left Ring : uncursed ring of regeneration [1s]
Bracers : bracers of toughness [+0, +0] {To+4} [10s]
Gauntlets : uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
Boots : uncursed eternium boots [+1, +5] [55s]
Missile Weapon: uncursed long bow (+5, +2) [30s]
Missiles : bundle of 13 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6+3) [26s]
Tool : uncursed Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire {St+10} [100s]



uncursed rusty crown of fire [+1, +2] [65s]
uncursed helm of water breathing [+0, +1] [30s]
uncursed helm of mental stability [+0, +1] {Le+2} [100s]
uncursed crown of science [+4, +8] {Le+9} [65s]
uncursed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8} [60s]
uncursed studded gloves [+3, +2] [6s]
heap of 2 uncursed pairs of thick gauntlets (-1, -2) [+0, +1] [30s]
uncursed cloak of invisibility (-1, +0) [+1, +0] [30s]
uncursed cloak of invisibility (-1, +0) [+1, +1] [30s]
blessed seven league boots [+1, +3] [30s]
uncursed necklace of the eye [3s]
uncursed white eternium long sword (+0, 2d8+7) [20s]
uncursed whip of slaughtering (-7, 1d30) [15s]
uncursed knife of endurance (+6, 1d3+6) {To+4} [8s]
uncursed staff of power (+0, 1d10+3) [+1, +1] {Wi+2} [40s]
uncursed mild great axe (+5, 2d7+4) [-2, +0] [105s]
uncursed heavy crossbow "The Far Slayer" (+18, +18) [350s]
uncursed long bow of hunting (+6, +3) [30s]
bundle of 26 uncursed quarrels of dragon slaying (+3, 2d6+3) [104s]
bundle of 2 uncursed arrows and slaying (+0, 1d6) [4s]
bundle of 4 uncursed quarrels of humanoid slaying (+3, 2d6+3) [16s]
(I hoped to get humanoid slayers from Casino...)
blessed Chaos Orb of Elemental Water {Wi+10} [100s]
blessed Chaos Orb of Elemental Earth {To+10} [100s]
Chaos Orb of Elemental Air [100s]
blessed ring of ice [1s]
blessed ring of the High Kings [+2, +3] [1s]
heap of 3 uncursed rings of slaying (+6 melee damage, +6 missile damage)
uncursed ring of invisibility [1s]
heap of 2 blessed potions of extra healing [4s]
heap of 4 uncursed potions of ultra healing [8s]
uncursed phial of Caladriel [2s]
heap of 3 uncursed potions of boost mana [6s]
uncursed potion of mana [4s]
potion of cure corruption [2s]
uncursed spellbook of Burning Hands [100s]
uncursed spellbook of Lightning Bolt [100s]
uncursed spellbook of Magic Missile [100s]
uncursed spellbook of Magic Missile [100s]
uncursed tract of order [250s]
(potentially useful to try install mana battery)
uncursed spellbook of Teleportation [100s]
uncursed spellbook of Web [100s]

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Killed Monsters
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4065 monsters perished under her attacks.
13 molochs (got two armors now)

Dispatched the legendary black wizard Alcazar the Mad.
(lots of fire bolts from his side)

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Achievements
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She survived for 0 years, 76 days, 0 hours, 30 minutes and 54 seconds (75876
turns).
2 companions were killed during her adventures.
(maggots from corruption)
Miarch visited 96 places.
Her strength score was modified by -1 during her career.
Her learning score was modified by +5 during her career.
Her willpower score was modified by +8 during her career.
Her dexterity score was modified by +5 during her career.
Her toughness score was modified by +2 during her career.
Her charisma score was modified by +1 during her career.
Her appearance score was modified by +2 during her career.
Her mana score was modified by +11 during her career.
(bookcsting mostly)
Her perception score was modified by +2 during her career.
She was the champion of the arena.
She saved Khelavaster from certain death.

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You played for 11 hours, 5 minutes and 22 seconds.

[Soirana]

Well, reaching library will be a problem with climbing g at 50...
Luckily, I can use that stupid wand to cover for any stuff I feel I need for, thus I started leveling on the eternal guardians using 7lb and stilts to kite.

They give 0.5mil xp each, but for troll it is still long way...
p.s. got these stupid caster talents (had to boost perception before hitting lv30...)


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DV/PV: 55/29 H: 372(372) P: 347(347) Exp: 30/12640740 D: 29 Sp: 102

scorched spear [50s]
uncursed wand of wishing (5 charges) [3s]

Gravedigging...

[Soirana]

Okay, so got the mana orb and levels...



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Character Information
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Miarch St:41 Le:47 Wi:31 Dx:27 To:31 Ch: 3 Ap: 1 Ma:42 Pe: 7 N=
DV/PV: 51/17 H: 644(644) P: 356(1009) Exp: 50/52352561 M: 115016



Head : uncursed helm of mental stability [+0, +1] {Le+2} [100s]
Neck : uncursed amulet of free action [3s]
Body : uncursed mithril ring mail (-1, -1) [-1, +6] [240s]
Girdle : blessed girdle of carrying [+0, +0] [15s]
Cloak : uncursed leather cloak (-1, +0) [+1, +0] [40s]
Right Hand : blessed eternium broadsword of penetration (+1, 2d7+9)[38s]
Left Hand : uncursed tower eternium shield (-1) [+13, +4] [70s]
Right Ring : uncursed ring of regeneration [1s]
Left Ring : uncursed ring of regeneration [1s]
Bracers : uncursed bracers of toughness [+0, +0] {To+7} [10s]
Gauntlets : uncursed red dragon-hide gauntlets (-2, +0) [+2, +2] [10s]
Boots : blessed seven league boots [+1, +3] [30s]
Missile Weapon: uncursed long bow (+5, +2) [30s]
Missiles : bundle of 5 uncursed mithril arrows (+3, 1d6+3) [10s]
Tool : uncursed Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire {St+10} [100s]


Bad thing I presumably entered unicorn glade while chaotic and later allignment changed still keep horsey pissed:(.
Being on O on corruption list is bad but delable, but these literally killed my perception score...

Also one of molochs runaway with rune-covered trident(I think he should be ctachable in wilderness although). I had to finish fuckers with mindcraft.

Things trolls do for xp....


6059 monsters perished under her attacks.
45 eternal guardians
21 greater fire elementals
80 greater molochs


Dispatched the legendary frost giant Fiyr.
Dispatched the legendary wererat Sir Niveous Frost.
Dispatched the legendary black wizard Alcazar the Mad.



~d46 there is greter undead vault with hwta looks a lot like Thunderstroke. Pretty sure I do not want to attempt getting it with troll.

[Sian]

Nice weapon thru

[Soirana]

Well, I managed to find that moloch as 'friendly' encounter. I chosed to allow him follow, entered location and got by trident back....

So, about time to make looting plan. My basic idea is to replicate banshee vs animated forest. Well, banshee does not work on plants anymore, so it will be replaced by boars (fast, strong, don't see invisible, don't smash doors).

I presume that some of them will go rogue, but that just turns them neutral and they can be retamed (and likely will fight hostile trees - I plan agravate forest by using fire magic).

Since I have no intention to control them, I think dropping speed is a must (lower speed, more boar cation per turn, more loot). ideally, I will be able to supress messages and w5 (with custom set longish persistance).

Check on stuff:
Boars - 12 above AF, might need more we will see how it goes.

Speed lowering -- moloch armour, boots of slow shuffle, bookcasted slow monster, bloated.

Sight improvement (boars should be more in check if I see them, but that likely reduces spawn rate of trees, so will need to optimize) - necklace of eye, everburning torch, farsight (managed to read wished for spellbook, surprisingly).

Safety meassures - I'llprobably wish for AoLS just in case, should also try to hunt queens stalkers, drink pools for perm invisibility once boars are in place.

DL - manipulation, have both smaple of danger and peace scrolls and two writing sets. I think just killing DL down to 1 and eventually recycling potions at D3 (to get some pots of wonder, to obtain knowledge of wish).

Mana battery: I have two wishes left, probably gonna use one for tomes of order, as these would give me most chances to recycle corruptions (wish is probably worth around 10 tries?)...

PP - I am close to 1k now, PoGA's (from loot and chaos alchemy) will push another few hundred easily. After that wand drain I guess. In theory blessed scrolls/crystals of power can improve PP too.

[Blasphemous]

I'm surprised your troll only has 644 HP, even with just 31 toughness.
I expected a higher number; my gray elf had more than 700 at around 35 toughness.

[Soirana]

I'm surprised your troll only has 644 HP, even with just 31 toughness.
I expected a higher number; my gray elf had more than 700 at around 35 toughness.
34 is one of marks where you get lv based hp, so that is 50hp differential. On levelup gains are probably randomzied too (although I think less than PP gains).

So, I went to check boars and instead of 12 found 7 and few boar skulls... from stuff dropped looks like some dragon faced them in corridor and breathed all over them.... (I passed the level extra time then going for eternal guardian)...

I've captchured 4 more and promptly lost one to randomly generated moloch... rest 10 are holding up, but need healing support against trees.. I think I will go fetch 5-6 more, cause so far we holding just next to wall and in end design the trees will be coming from both sides.

Good news: trees to seem be inherently hostile to any non-tree monsters in the forest, so fighting will happen .
Bad news: I prayed for PP recharge and got my ass crowned at N=.... Well, it will be fallen champion archmage then...

[Soirana]

Well, things tart looking properly


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Miarch St:35 Le:42 Wi:37 Dx: 7 To:42 Ch:26 Ap: 8 Ma:40 Pe:22 N=
DV/PV: 16/69 H: 747(747) P: 1058(1058) Exp: 50/52542039 D: 15 Sp: 66
Blessed
M: 124823

Head : uncursed rusty helm of leadership [+1, +2] {Ch+6} [100s]
Neck : blessed amulet of balance [3s]
Body : uncursed moloch armor (-8, -16) [-30, +50] {Dx-20} (-20 spd)
Girdle : blessed girdle of carrying [+0, +0] [15s]
Cloak : uncursed leather cloak (-1, +0) [+1, +0] [40s]
Right Hand : blessed eternium broadsword of penetration (+1, 2d7+9)[38s]
Left Hand : uncursed tower eternium shield (-1) [+13, +4] [70s]
Right Ring : uncursed ring of regeneration [1s]
Left Ring : uncursed ring of regeneration [1s]
Bracers : uncursed bracers of toughness [+0, +0] {To+7} [10s]
Gauntlets : uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
Boots : blessed seven league boots [+1, +3] [30s]
Missile Weapon: uncursed long bow (+5, +2) [30s]
Missiles : bundle of 5 uncursed mithril arrows (+3, 1d6+3) [10s]
Tool : uncursed flute [3s]

uncursed spellbook of Acid Ball [100s]
huh...

28 companions were killed during her adventures.
seriously? probably most of them were corrupted maggots anyway


Build: Aug 23 2015 14:35:34

Well, stuff is going well enough to put:

:regex
.*animated.*
under supress. Half emssages like 'fail to hurt you' looks silly, but at least I can see important stuff. Now, I will need to figure if being invisible is suitable. Boars spread out considerable looser on these conditions...

[Soirana]

Learned few things:
-using fire magic in AF, turns current trees hostile. New generated ones do not seem to care about past events. Guess, trees have memory issues.
-tree generation is based on PC turns. So, 10 speed means very slow generation, not totally surprising, but sad anyway. (I use ~50 now, while running around)
- invisibility is not good idea. Apparently one of boars had mind change and was torn apart by others... (The actual message was boar suddenly stopped... never saw that one.) So if i sit behind doors (as per plan), they will eventually kill themselves...

Back to the drawing board (my first idea was encase myself within doors and mindblast them - even hostile they would fight trees - but in the end I would need unearth all the loot from area with ~14 death machines(and I am surprised that female boar is not called sow by the way)). And you know, no way of knowing if it is enough loot or not...

[yhal003]

Learned few things:
-using fire magic in AF, turns current trees hostile. New generated ones do not seem to care about past events. Guess, trees have memory issues.
-tree generation is based on PC turns. So, 10 speed means very slow generation, not totally surprising, but sad anyway. (I use ~50 now, while running around)
- invisibility is not good idea. Apparently one of boars had mind change and was torn apart by others... (The actual message was boar suddenly stopped... never saw that one.) So if i sit behind doors (as per plan), they will eventually kill themselves...

Back to the drawing board (my first idea was encase myself within doors and mindblast them - even hostile they would fight trees - but in the end I would need unearth all the loot from area with ~14 death machines(and I am surprised that female boar is not called sow by the way)). And you know, no way of knowing if it is enough loot or not...

Divide forest into sectors with doors, one uber-boar per sector?

[Cactus]

... but in the end I would need unearth all the loot from area with ~14 death machines...

Invisibility and Confusion Blast plus enough sources of teleport (for emergencies) should do the trick, or not?

[Soirana]

I am a bit short on free time, so this will have to wait a bit. (like until Wednesday)

Overall, I am inclined to blast the boars ant let them loose, but I think I would need more boars and more food (although I need claculate that I have ~100 rations from autopickup and pile of meat/melons/etc. being troll halves their value...).

Doors are not that reliable as place is generating non tree monsters and some of them are quite high end (fire giants and molochs are not unusual -- I should have farmed at lower char level probably).

As far as dealing with boars.... I though more along the lines of blessing the lute and playing through doors, assuming I confuse hostile ones, retamed should kill them.
Lv50 mindcrafter can teleport for 35PP so that is ~30 teleports with mine PP pool.

On good news front I have few armors of health (which are good at start of loop) and armor of power, which will be good a bit later. According to notes UL5 has a room with 20% spell reduction(to compensate for under 100 castings likely).
I looked through wiki history and someone claims that weapons of power exist. They do not mention exact weapon, so I am inclined to believe that might have been something like staff of power.

[_Ln_]

Well, I managed to find that moloch as 'friendly' encounter. I chosed to allow him follow, entered location and got by trident back....

Was it changed in recent versions? Connected to an artifact in inventory? Have never seen that with early-game barbarians and the like.

[Soirana]

Was it changed in recent versions? Connected to an artifact in inventory? Have never seen that with early-game barbarians and the like.

Well, it's in r60, which I would not define as recent.

He also dropped two moloch armors he picked.

And why this should be a surprise? It's still the same monster, wilderness is still the same area. Monsterds do drop picked up stuff, no?

[_Ln_]

Well, it's in r60, which I would not define as recent.

He also dropped two moloch armors he picked.

And why this should be a surprise? It's still the same monster, wilderness is still the same area. Monsterds do drop picked up stuff, no?

I mean I have never re-encountered hostile monsters. Only neutral/tamed.

[Soirana]

I mean I have never re-encountered hostile monsters. Only neutral/tamed.

http://www.adom.de/forums/project.php?issueid=3370. Well, it's a feature since r52 apparently.

[Soirana]

Either, I have very strange luck or it seems book drops are somehow bugged. I will try to compare with my notes on SMC scumming with necros, but currently PoGA drop ~4x more frequently than books do.

edit: after reading notes I've tried few things. My general impression (half based on imgaination) is that after some point (trigger is completely unknown) level drops only one spellbook of each spell and other drops somehow cancel. (drop ratio is extremely skewed I have death ray, acid ball, summon monsters and just one spellbook of darkness).

I've tried reading light and darkness to ground, no new copies.... That is not bad for this char (or his next incarnation), but eternium challenge seems to be doomed (I planned to get lots of magic missile spellbooks in that one). Mmm....

[Carter]

there is a bug with spellbook generation that skews the distrubition in some way. Necros at the moment get 75% spellbooks are frostbolt. My guess is mindcrafter doesn't have a default spellbook and therefore the drops are really low.

[sweetnothing]

there is a bug with spellbook generation that skews the distrubition in some way. Necros at the moment get 75% spellbooks are frostbolt. My guess is mindcrafter doesn't have a default spellbook and therefore the drops are really low.

It's not a bug, Thomas wrote that this distribution was the intended one.

[Soirana]

there is a bug with spellbook generation that skews the distrubition in some way. Necros at the moment get 75% spellbooks are frostbolt. My guess is mindcrafter doesn't have a default spellbook and therefore the drops are really low.

Cute theory, but it does not explain:
-drop rate lowering down with time
-book distribution skews - whatever the issue with defaults, light and darkness has ~9% of others. which means that around 1/5 of all books should be these.

Bad thing, I did not keep the track of dropped books in the forest (one small pile is one level above and another should be in ogre cave -- after I developed the theory book drops wer Cure Disease, Cure Light wounds, Death ray/Slow monster - things I'm pretty sure dropped here: -Disarm trap/Acid B all/Summon monsters/SoA/Invisibility/Stun Ray/Web).
I guess, I just need to get another ~20 books to drop and we will see.

[Soirana]

5 more spellbooks:
Lightning bolt
magic missile
slow poison
scare monster
Web....

Web is slightly puzzling, but it's cursed (I don't believe it's relevant, but I can't be sure) and even if it dropped in forest I can't be sure if that was before or after trigger event...
Overall, spelbook drops seem to strive for set, I guess I will keep running around with char just for science

edit: 6th book - Farsight. I have few wished ones, but that one certainly did not drop before...
7-8th were SoA and another Farsight.... guess my theory is wrong and it is just bad luck...
9-11 - Darkness/Death ray/Knock.

Guess, it is time to pile food and go for fireworks...

[Carter]

It's not a bug, Thomas wrote that this distribution was the intended one.

I think he misunderstood the report - he didn't intend to change anything - but suddenly necromancers have 80% of their books being frost bolt.

[Blank4u47]

I think he misunderstood the report - he didn't intend to change anything - but suddenly necromancers have 80% of their books being frost bolt.

80% is a gross exaggeration. I've played many necromancers and the distribution isn't more than 25% which is 1 in 4. This is actually a huge asset in the early game especially if you play a dumb race.

[Cactus]

I think he misunderstood the report - he didn't intend to change anything - but suddenly necromancers have 80% of their books being frost bolt.


80% is a gross exaggeration. I've played many necromancers and the distribution isn't more than 25% which is 1 in 4. This is actually a huge asset in the early game especially if you play a dumb race.

I'm sorry I have to confirm the real number is much closer to 80% than to 25% sadly. It was about 66% with my characters and the guy filing the bug report experienced the same.

Forum thread (http://www.adom.de/forums/showthread.php/14145-Help-I-m-drowning-in-spellbooks-of-Divine-Wrath!)

Bug report (http://www.adom.de/forums/project.php?issueid=3696)

At least for me this ruined Necromancer and Druid fun that I didn't want to play one so far without this being resolved. Possibly affects Salamander Wizards too, since they start with guaranteed Firebolt.

Interestingly, TB wasn't aware of the change, so it must have been unintentional:

This is really interesting. I have examined the source code and as far as I can see, the code for determining the spell contained in a spell book has not changed since January 2012 at least (we switched our version control system at that time... I don't have the older history available).

[sweetnothing]

At least for me this ruined Necromancer and Druid fun that I didn't want to play one so far without this being resolved.

lol it's THE time to play Druids, Lightning Bolt is one of the best spells in the game
Regarding necromancers I don't know, never played much

[Blank4u47]

I'm sorry I have to confirm the real number is much closer to 80% than to 25% sadly. It was about 66% with my characters and the guy filing the bug report experienced the same.

Forum thread (http://www.adom.de/forums/showthread.php/14145-Help-I-m-drowning-in-spellbooks-of-Divine-Wrath!)

Bug report (http://www.adom.de/forums/project.php?issueid=3696)

At least for me this ruined Necromancer and Druid fun that I didn't want to play one so far without this being resolved. Possibly affects Salamander Wizards too, since they start with guaranteed Firebolt.

Interestingly, TB wasn't aware of the change, so it must have been unintentional:

Truly odd that I've beaten the game many times with necromancers and never exceeded the 25% distribution of frost bolt.

[Cactus]

lol it's THE time to play Druids, Lightning Bolt is one of the best spells in the game
Regarding necromancers I don't know, never played much

It's not that Divine Wrath or Frost Bolt are bad spells. Quite the contrary actually. But for Druids and Necromancers they suppress most of the other spells. A Necromancer often yearns for the library now just to get the basic utility spells.

This for example is a spell distribution as I think it should look like from my current character (http://ancardia.us.to/adom_users/cactus/ririrel.vlg):


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Spells
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Acid Ball : 19, 63pp (Effectivity: +1)
Acid Bolt : 925, 15pp (Effectivity: +1)
Bless : 839, 8pp (Effectivity: +2)
Burning Hands : 1054, 8pp (Effectivity: +3)
Calm Monster : 803, 8pp (Effectivity: +0)
Cure Critical Wounds: 484, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
Cure Light Wounds : 1368, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
Cure Serious Wounds : 473, 10pp (Effectivity: +0)
Darkness : 2205, 4pp (Effectivity: +0)
Destroy Undead : 1377, 8pp (Effectivity: +0)
Disarm Trap : 866, 10pp (Effectivity: +0)
Farsight : 281, 17pp (Effectivity: +2)
Fire Bolt : 964, 9pp (Effectivity: +6)
Frost Bolt : 1540, 11pp (Effectivity: +5)
Ice Ball : 484, 25pp (Effectivity: +1)
Identify : 224, 75pp (Effectivity: +0)
Invisibility : 1991, 10pp (Effectivity: +0)
Knock : 2778, 12pp (Effectivity: +0)
Know Alignment : 510, 10pp (Effectivity: +0)
Light : 2004, 3pp (Effectivity: +4)
Lightning Ball : 488, 30pp (Effectivity: +0)
Lightning Bolt : 1124, 12pp (Effectivity: +0)
Magic Lock : 2437, 8pp (Effectivity: +0)
Magic Map : 921, 40pp (Effectivity: +0)
Magic Missile : 2695, 7pp (Effectivity: +8)
Neutralize Poison : 596, 10pp (Effectivity: +0)
Remove Curse : 530, 50pp (Effectivity: +2)
Revelation : 407, 33pp (Effectivity: +0)
Slow Monster : 843, 7pp (Effectivity: +0)
Slow Poison : 1476, 6pp (Effectivity: +0)
Strength of Atlas : 825, 8pp (Effectivity: +10)
Stun Ray : 894, 8pp (Effectivity: +2)
Teleportation : 330, 76pp (Effectivity: +3)
Web : 1195, 12pp (Effectivity: +0)

It allows a creative and diversified strategy which makes spellcasting fun IMO. And I think it's sad that I have to play a merchant to enjoy it, because I used to really enjoy necromancers. Replacing some of their spells with the signature spell is fine, but replacing two thirds is just way too much.

[Soirana]

Truly odd that I've beaten the game many times with necromancers and never exceeded the 25% distribution of frost bolt.

I fail to believe any of you actually counted percentages after let say first 10-20 books. If you did, we could have a meaningful discussion, instead of guessing drama.

[Blank4u47]

I fail to believe any of you actually counted percentages after let say first 10-20 books. If you did, we could have a meaningful discussion, instead of guessing drama.
Lol, good point. I will now begin counting the actual spellbook finds. I'll just continue using my troll necro for this.

[Cactus]

I fail to believe any of you ...

There's absolutely no need to make such unnecessary generalizations. Just read the thread I linked and you'd see there's a number of people that counted and posted their spellbook finds (In my case it was 30 books of Frost Bolt out of a total 45 books, which makes the 66% I mentioned). You are definitely not the only one that appreciates a fact-based discussion.

[Blank4u47]

A study sample of 45 is way way way too low to get an accurate percentage. You need More than 100 at least, 1000 if at all possible to get a somewhat accurate percentage. Even then this would need to be done as a comparison to other classes as a control sample.

[Soirana]

(In my case it was 30 books of Frost Bolt out of a total 45 books, which makes the 66% I mentioned).
Where is that list of 45 mentioned books? (preferably in drop order)

As far as facts goes, I think skill blog taught me few lessons about making generalizations with ~50 cases...

[Cactus]

I honestly don't get the point. Of course there hasn't been significant research on this topic yet. And so far nobody claimed it either. There were a number of people posting their spellbook numbers and how many of those were of the starting spell. The suspicion arose that somewhere around R57 the distribution for classes with a fixed starting spell suddenly became skewed.
After posting my numbers I wrote


...
Some further testing would be good. All I can say so far is that I haven't seen such a spell spam in previous versions.

So now in my opinion this could be easily done by the community. A thread would be opened, each player that is interested plays at least one character and keeps track of the spellbooks. Combined and sorted by classes this could quickly reach a sufficient sample size.
But the ADOM community doesn't work together. Instead people here accuse each other, troll each other and in the end no research is happening at all.

[Soirana]

I honestly don't get the point.

So now in my opinion this could be easily done by the community. A thread would be opened

If you opened thread instead of derailing someone's (hmmm) challenge, this could actually work.

[Soirana]

So outstanding delay is due to two factors:
a) spellbook create item dropped, which means I should raw chaos myself few dozen wonder potions in hopes of bookcasting it (~1200PP with proper clothes or something like that), so technically this is somewhat optimal
b) most remaining parts are not so interesting (sit on pile of food and drain PP once in a while), so I can't find motivation...

[Soirana]

Well, I blasted boars, teleported to safety.... and they apparently are dying if left alone in where..... In under 1k turns I went down to 5 boars left....

No clue WTF is going. Maybe out of sight fighting goes different...

p.s. I found some 1.1.1 notes. Figures, I've tried to set gremlin bomb in room with alarm traps and that failed cause gremlins were not fighting each other. Maybe boars are not actually fighting back....

[Soirana]

Okay, so lessons learned:
--need to keep boars safe in midagme (I think in split part in upper CoC)
-- need to keep boars insight - lengthy grind I guess (might want to experiment with blindnes first (don't think it will work, but worth checkinh))
-- keep DL at 3 for potions of wonder --- through chaos alchemy I've generated ~70 water pots and just one pot of wonder.
-- take better care of corruption management (in this effort ~250 days spent...), this means needing to save Khelly...

Well, wills e how restart goes.

[Soirana]

Take two arrived at Casino... So far removed three corruptions (babbling mouth, 2x mana battery -well, first one was way too early and second... foun d glowing wand, which appeared to be empty anyway...).



Memnarch St:39 Le:18 Wi:25 Dx:31 To:35 Ch:12 Ap: 6 Ma:23 Pe:16 N+
DV/PV: 64/42 H: 283(283) P: 21(207) Exp: 21/2445563 D: 31 Sp: 105
M: 55494

Race: male Troll Class: Mindcrafter
Star sign: Candle


Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
--------------------- --- --- --- -- ------------- --------------
Unarmed fighting 2 +2 +0 +0 basic 38
Daggers & knives 11 +12 +7 +3 Mastery 771
Clubs & hammers 8 +6 +4 +2 excellent 518
Maces & flails 6 +4 +2 +1 skilled 197
Swords 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Axes 11 +10 +8 +3 Mastery 1660
Whips 1 +1 +0 +1 basic 25
Pole arms 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Twohanded weapons 5 +4 +6 +1 skilled 44
Staves 1 +1 +0 +1 basic 25

Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks

--------------------- --- --- --- -- ------------- --------------
Slings 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Bows 8 +16 +12 +2 excellent 303
Crossbows 5 +10 +7 +1 skilled 30
Thrown axes & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown daggers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown rocks & clubs 1 +2 +1 +0 basic 7
Thrown spears 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Boomerangs & scurgari 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7

Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks

--------------------- --- --- ------------- --------------
Shields 11 +22 Mastery 2100

Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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Right hand: +52 bonus to hit, 3d6+38 damage

Damage caused with your missile weapons:
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Ammunition: 44, base range: 15, +46 bonus to hit, 1d6+28 damage




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Spells
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Acid Bolt : 9, 28pp (Effectivity: +0)
Bless : 4, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
Create Item : 1, 497pp (Effectivity: +0)
Darkness : 18, 7pp (Effectivity: +1)
Farsight : 12, 31pp (Effectivity: +0)
Ice Ball : 8, 48pp (Effectivity: +0)
Invisibility : 1, 19pp (Effectivity: +0)
Knock : 3, 23pp (Effectivity: +0)
Light : 13, 5pp (Effectivity: +0)
Magic Lock : 7, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
Magic Map : 9, 76pp (Effectivity: +0)
Mystic Shovel : 6, 194pp (Effectivity: +0)
Slow Monster : 9, 13pp (Effectivity: +0)
Strength of Atlas: 9, 19pp (Effectivity: +0)[have book:)]
Stun Ray : 1, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
Summon Monsters : 14, 55pp (Effectivity: +0)
Web : 11, 22pp (Effectivity: +0)


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Skills
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Athletics ................ 50 (fair) [+1]
Backstabbing ............. 58 (good) [+3d3]
Bridge building .......... 17 (mediocre) [+3d5] (mr)
Climbing ................. 51 (good) [+1]
Concentration ............100 (superb) [+2d4]
First aid ................ 39 (fair) [+2d4]
Food preservation ........ 66 (good) [+1]
Gemology ................. 45 (fair) [+4d4]
Haggling ................. 27 (mediocre) [+4d5]
Healing ..................100 (superb) [+1]
Herbalism ................ 57 (good) [+1d3]
Listening ................100 (superb) [+3d5]
Literacy .................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Mining ................... 45 (fair) [+2d4]
Music .................... 56 (good) [+1d5]
Stealth .................. 87 (great) [+3d3]
Tactics .................. 74 (great) [+1]
Two weapon combat ........ 27 (mediocre) [+2d4]


Head : uncursed helm of mental stability [+0, +4] {Le+1} [100s]
Neck : uncursed ankh [3s]
Body : uncursed robes of resistance (-4, -4) [+3, +12] {To+5}[60s]
Girdle : uncursed eternium girdle [+0, +4] [12s]
Cloak : uncursed light cloak [+1, +0] [20s]
Right Hand : blessed rustproof battle axe of mayhem (+0, 3d6+8) [70s]
Left Hand : uncursed tower crystal shield (-2) [+13, +4] [260s]
Right Ring : blessed ring of ice [1s]
Left Ring : uncursed ring of defense +4 [1s]
Bracers : uncursed bracers of war [+8, +4] {Dx+8} [10s]
Gauntlets : uncursed white dragon-hide gauntlets (-1, +1) [+0, +4][10s]
Boots : blessed seven league boots [+1, +0] [30s]
Missile Weapon: uncursed long bow of accuracy (+6, +2) [30s]
Missiles : bundle of 44 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6) [88s]
Tool : uncursed Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire {St+10} [100s]



Helmets ('[')
uncursed eternium cap [+0, +4] [28s]
cursed helm of water breathing [+0, +1] [30s]
Armor ('[')
uncursed red dragon scale mail (+0, -3) [-1, +12] [220s]
uncursed elven chain mail [+0, +5] [10s]
uncursed fine leather armor "Nature's Companion" (+2, +0) [+2, +8] (+15 spd)
uncursed worm-ridden elven chain mail [+2, +5] [10s]
Gauntlets ('[')
uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
uncursed thick gauntlets (+0, -1) [+0, +1] [15s]
uncursed seven league boots [+1, +0] [30s]
Necklaces (''')
Bracers (',')
uncursed bracers of regeneration [+0, +0] [18s]
uncursed bracers of toughness [+0, +0] {To+1} [10s]
uncursed brass bracers [+0, +0] [10s]
uncursed bracers of protection [+0, +2] [10s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
blessed mithril flail of hunting (+0, 2d4+6) [120s]
uncursed club of penetration (+1, 1d6) [30s]
uncursed mithril dagger of devastation (+3, 5d4+9) [8s]
uncursed knife of endurance (+6, 1d3+6) {To+4} [8s]
uncursed broken pick axe of vampirism (+0, 1d6+1) [75s]

uncursed ring of djinni summoning [1s]
uncursed ring of slaying (+6 melee damage, +6 missile damage) [1s]
Wands ('\')
heap of 7 blessed scrolls of charging [14s]
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Killed Monsters
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3444 monsters perished under his attacks.

5 death oozes
2 diamond golems

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Achievements
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He survived for 0 years, 64 days, 12 hours, 28 minutes and 13 seconds (55494
turns).
Memnarch visited 96 places.
His strength score was modified by +10 during his career.
His learning score was modified by +3 during his career.
His willpower score was modified by +12 during his career.
His dexterity score was modified by +9 during his career.
His toughness score was modified by +12 during his career.
His charisma score was modified by +5 during his career.
His appearance score was modified by -1 during his career. [maybe I should obtain healing in more lawful way...]
His mana score was modified by +14 during his career.[I need to check I think I have man potential pots somehwere]
His perception score was modified by +7 during his career.
He was the champion of the arena.
He saved Khelavaster from certain death. [yeah, scrolls]

Bracers of war dropped in minor vault in UD... nature's companion I just found in the pile of stuff from frost giant vault (inner part with ~10 red wyrms was left untouched it looks very much like shirt of saint's inside).
Robes came from pulsing room on ~d27. Room had minotaur mage, couple diamond golems, shitload of frost giant jarls and death oozes. Lots of experience, but un luckily there were also two liches... Trolls don't like playing with ghost lord, so I teleported in grabbed robes and tp out.

Casino has executor (for ~3 million gold). I fear that my luck might be geared into the wrong direction...

[Blasphemous]

BoW? Executor? Nature's comp? Oh man, the game sure is telling you something.
Have you considered using rods for alchemy? As I recall MCs level it up at a decent pace, might even get some nice poga recipe or at least age related pots.

[Soirana]

BoW? Executor? Nature's comp? Oh man, the game sure is telling you something.

I'm not that close to Ridiculously Notorious Goddess, but that likely translates to "you'll get screwed with that book"...


Have you considered using rods for alchemy? As I recall MCs level it up at a decent pace, might even get some nice poga recipe or at least age related pots.
So I actually used one RoDS on 7lb (and found spare ones like 5 minute later) and drenched wand to save Khelly...
Honestly, all I need is pots of wonder and that book. I probably wish for writing sets to manipulate DL since that seems more goal oriented.(p.s. I have clothes of power stashed safely in ogre cave...).

[Soirana]

I had the most bizarre Air temple in quite a while...
At front it had random black wyrm, which I dealt by retreating and getting proper slaying ammo.... Meanwhile....
ant hive (also located in isolated part) took apart inner temple walls...

p.s. u pon further inspection Casino actually had Executor, lust for Glory and hammer of gods. I can't recall seeing three artifacts in the same shop...

[Soirana]

Memnarch St:40 Le:24 Wi:38 Dx:49 To:41 Ch:18 Ap:12 Ma:33 Pe:22 N+
DV/PV: 72/46 H: 399(399) P: 400(400) Exp: 26/7252064 Vlge Sp: 112
M: 75354


Name: Memnarch Race: male Troll Class: Mindcrafter
Age: 16 (grown-up)
Star sign: Candle Birthday: 29/Candle (day 299 of the year)
Daggers & knives 11 +12 +7 +3 Mastery 771
Clubs & hammers 8 +6 +4 +2 excellent 518
Maces & flails 6 +4 +2 +1 skilled 197
Axes 12 +12 +10 +3 Mastery 695

Slings 2 +4 +3 +0 basic 4
Bows 8 +16 +12 +2 excellent 2
Crossbows 7 +14 +10 +2 skilled 180

Shields 12 +24 Mastery 2496

Right hand: +68 bonus to hit, 5d6+40 damage
Ammunition: 15, base range: 11, +63 bonus to hit, 2d6+27 damage


Acid Bolt : 9, 28pp (Effectivity: +0)
Bless : 4, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
Calm Monster : 2, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
Create Item : 1, 497pp (Effectivity: +0)
Darkness : 32, 6pp (Effectivity: +1)
Farsight : 12, 31pp (Effectivity: +0)
Fireball : 7, 38pp (Effectivity: +0)
Frost Bolt : 8, 23pp (Effectivity: +0)
Ice Ball : 8, 48pp (Effectivity: +0)
Invisibility : 1, 19pp (Effectivity: +0)
Knock : 6, 23pp (Effectivity: +0)
Light : 6, 5pp (Effectivity: +1)
Magic Lock : 7, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
Magic Map : 9, 76pp (Effectivity: +0)
Mystic Shovel : 6, 194pp (Effectivity: +0)
Slow Monster : 14, 13pp (Effectivity: +0)
Strength of Atlas: 18, 18pp (Effectivity: +0)
Stun Ray : 11, 15pp (Effectivity: +0)
Summon Monsters : 14, 55pp (Effectivity: +0)
Teleportation : 1, 44pp (Effectivity: +0)
Web : 16, 22pp (Effectivity: +0)


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Skills
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Athletics ................ 50 (fair) [+1]
Backstabbing ............. 80 (great) [+3d5]
Bridge building .......... 17 (mediocre) [+3d5] (mr)
Climbing .................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Concentration ............100 (superb) [+2d4]
First aid ................ 43 (fair) [+1d5]
Food preservation ........ 76 (great) [+1d3]
Gemology ................. 65 (good) [+3d5]
Haggling ................. 27 (mediocre) [+4d5]
Healing ..................100 (superb) [+1]
Herbalism ................ 62 (good) [+1]
Listening ................100 (superb) [+3d5]
Literacy .................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Mining ................... 53 (good) [+1d5]
Music .................... 78 (great) [+2d4]
Pick pockets ............. 33 (fair) [+1d5]
Stealth ..................100 (superb) [+3d4]
Tactics .................. 92 (superb) [+1]
Two weapon combat ........ 27 (mediocre) [+2d4]

He: uncursed eternium cap [+0, +4] [28s]
Ne: uncursed ankh [3s]
Bo: uncursed robes of resistance (-4, -4) [+3, +12] {To+5} [60s]
Gi: uncursed eternium girdle [+0, +4] [12s]
Cl: uncursed light cloak [+1, +0] [20s]
RH: blessed jet-black battle axe (named) (+2, 5d6+6) [-4, +1] {St+3} (+3 spd)
LH: uncursed tower crystal shield (-2) [+13, +4] [260s]
RR: uncursed ring of defense +4 [1s]
LR: blessed ring of ice [1s]
Br: uncursed bracers of war [+8, +4] {Dx+8} [10s]
Ga: uncursed thick gauntlets (-1, -2) [+0, +4] [15s]
Bo: blessed seven league boots [+1, +0] [30s]
MW: uncursed light crossbow of accuracy (+10, +0) [70s]
Mi: bundle of 15 uncursed quarrels of dragon slaying (+3, 2d6+3) [60s]
Tl: uncursed Chaos Orb of Elemental Air {Dx+10} [100s](should switch)


uncursed fine leather armor "Nature's Companion" (+2, +0) [+2, +8] (+15 spd)
uncursed adamantium chain mail of life (-1, -3) [+2, +9] [288s]
uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
uncursed thick gauntlets (+0, -1) [+0, +1] [15s]
uncursed cloak of invisibility (-1, +0) [+1, +0] [30s]
uncursed adamantium girdle [+0, +5] [18s]
uncursed eternium boots [+0, +5] [55s]
uncursed seven league boots [+1, -3] [30s]
uncursed bracers of toughness [+0, +0] {To+1} [10s]
uncursed mithril dagger of devastation (+3, 5d4+9) [8s]
uncursed broken pick axe of vampirism (+0, 1d6+1) [75s]
uncursed mace of destruction (+7, 5d6+8) [120s]
uncursed hammer of the gods (+1, 7d6+8) [-6, +0] [400s]
uncursed quicksilver quarterstaff (+7, 5d3+5) [+3, +0] (+20 spd) [20s]
uncursed spellbook of Burning Hands [100s]
uncursed spellbook of Disarm Trap [100s]
uncursed spellbook of Fire Bolt [100s]
uncursed spellbook of Strength of Atlas [100s]

So, I've got my orbs, my boars (12 at d3) and it is about day 92.

One thing I do not have is healing spellbook. And it's not optional from what I saw in the last attempt.

Good thing, I cautiously enrolled into thieve guild and piled lot of training on climbing in between earth and mana temple assaults.

Got two random shops -scrolls and wands - none of them is really relevant. d45 had greater fire vault, with some weapon and thundrestroke. Quarrel was generated in lower rooms, so I took it although ancient red dragon s were massive pain with their crits.
MT was... well, apparently through the game I did not find any flint. And apparently no amulets of light survived either...
So I lured archmage into left side (gulping four healing pots in the process), got him stuck on entrance in the room, use low PP phial to lit the small area around char (used up three wands of light just to get there) and shot Archmage with thunderstroke.
Well, more like last position I saw archmage, but he was just happy to stand in the dark (I did not lit him) and cast useless frost bolt. It certainly could have been worse.

I've left most of d45 vault, the whole frost giant vault and room of greater molochs (non tension, ~12 in d44) for later leveling.

I guess, the plan is to attack the library and consider doing maze...

[Soirana]

So, I cleared rift and library, grabbed stuff in bug temple and did maze (with 12 blessed map scrolls and well charged wands of tp it was rather easy).
Got my healing books ( cure light/serious/crit wounds) and 6 PoGA from maze (also ironfist - useless artifact).

I guess plan is do some chaos alchemy for holy water and booze, do some wands of wonder tricks until I get healing spell memory... and then the grind begins for real.

[Soirana]

So, good and bad stuff so far:
-used RoDS for magic writing sets -- should have used pots of Exchange/raw chaos logs.
-affixed AF to DL3 -- I've read sorear's wiki and it also confrims that pots of wonder do not apply spell rarity... for wands I think I went through 3k charges in 1.1.1 without generating wish.
-being level 27 means no stupid stuff like molochs -- I think theory of half char levels applied to monster Dl for generation is at least passable estimate.
- for my taste it looks like optimal speed is ~60-70... no moloch armor this time so I just keep slow monster on myself and piled rings of speed+ nature's companion to get in proper range.
-I guess, I knew before but while dual-wielding shields you can't cast spells except if you bookcast them. Makes no sense at all.

[timeywimey]

So, good and bad stuff so far:
-used RoDS for magic writing sets -- should have used pots of Exchange/raw chaos logs.
-I guess, I knew before but while dual-wielding shields you can't cast spells except if you bookcast them. Makes no sense at all.

Thanks for the log trick, never ceases to amaze me that after all these years you still don't know everything about adom :p

The shield thing has to be a bug, as it as you said makes no sense.

Also, what's with the boars? Can't be arsed to read the whole topic.

[Soirana]

The shield thing has to be a bug, as it as you said makes no sense.

It makes sense if you think from developer viewpoint. Shields prevent from going to spell selection screen. Other stuff like wands of wonder/babbling mouth works with shield. Since book reading does not go to selection, it works too.

I think it is more oversight, than bug, but it's probably worth reporting.


Also, what's with the boars? Can't be arsed to read the whole topic.
Killing by hand is inefficient... 12 boars at 3x char's speed produce 36 actions per turn.

Of course major oversights from my side are:
-not realizing what crapshot is a drop rate of books for mindcrafters
-issues with monster fights while out of chars line of sight.

One more surprising thing:
I think standard believe is that if you PoEx spellbook it becomes, confucius book and than on second step reverts to another spellbook.
Well, that is not true (in r60), spellbooks convert to tract, and tract can convert to confucius book and latter will tansform to tract.
I actually raw chaosed confucius book (on another char) and it did explode. So for exchange/raw chaos properties confucius ramblings is a type of spellbook.
edit: so, I switched to DL1 (have magnificent 10 points of spell knowledge of Wish, heh. On other hand it's ~130k turns and if old style ring engine existed, I would be set, so at least the method is efficient way to generate loot).
So, now spellbooks transform through Confucius book (tract of chaos is DL3, same as pot of wonder).
At least something interesting from the grind.

[Soirana]

I think standard believe is that if you PoEx spellbook it becomes, confucius book and than on second step reverts to another spellbook.
Well, that is not true (in r60), spellbooks convert to tract, and tract can convert to confucius book and latter will tansform to tract.

Hmm... upon further check I think it works as it's supposed to, just tract of chaos has way higher generation probability than Confucius book.

On grind front, I have close to 400 scrolls of ID, 20+ unused PoGA (don't want to increase sight radius anymore), 60 scrolls of magic map... The last two unknown books were Petrification and Earthquake (latter through PoEx). These are like 0.1% of all books according to Sorear... Well, again according to that wiki Acid ball is 10x more likely to drop than Heal (so far ~4 Acid ball books and no heal...)

[timeywimey]

20+ unused PoGA (don't want to increase sight radius anymore)

Couldn't you drink them, then reduce dex with cursed moss and gulp a few !oE to switch dex with pe? Just babbling, not sure if !oE is exactly what you don't want to waste on such a thing.

[Soirana]

Couldn't you drink them, then reduce dex with cursed moss and gulp a few !oE to switch dex with pe? Just babbling, not sure if !oE is exactly what you don't want to waste on such a thing.

!oE is like half a book. Definetely not wasting them on stats. Besides having stats in 60ies is really enough.