Lithium Man - Need Advice on Promising PC

[Bolto]

Been years since I played ADOM, a former longer time player years back, started to play again around Feb 2016, proceeded to fall in love with the game again and got addicted (again lol) I managed to get a win about a week ago with a 0 save run game on a Drakeling monk, still a lot of the new content I not touched yet, but needless to say it doesn't apply in this topic given I decided to make an attempt at a Lithium man run.

But to make a long story short, I decided to roll a Dark elf beastfighter with candle rolled, proceeded to get to the CoC barely (Almost died on route to a lost souls encounter) But on D:1, I got a massive orc tension room, and close by, a neutral altar, decided to crown immediately with so much sac fodder, converted and sacced my way to absolute close extremely quickly, crowned a champion of balance in the first room of the game at level 5, got cloak of omar (Not so great except for early teleport capability on a blink dog corpse) but dinged fire immunity, already got a huge part of the ToEF checklist cleared already, game pretty much rolled on as per usual, got a stable herb room on top of the herb room that has Morgia root and mareilon, and done all the quests except for the greater demon in DT (On my way to deliver the arena quest as of this time) The DH was very scary and I ended up running in DH1 into a moloch AND a titan, luckily I was close enough to a corner I was able to get the hell out of there without getting shot to death, but only close call I had so far.

But I am really unsure how to proceed now from here, also I know I need to somehow move the elder from the switch so I can proceed further into the CoC, and don't have a teleport source yet, but basically, what I am asking is, what should I do after doing DT? Farm herbs for a bit to raise my To and will? Grind a bit? Just looking for some advice from more experienced players on this challenge, got a very good early start, not looking to squander it.

Before posting, I ended up drinking from a pool a few times, I got death resistance and paralysis resistance, but I lost my teleport control ugh, need to try and get that back first for sure, hence why the omar cloak is in my inventory atm.

Any advice from here would be nice :)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Character Information
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Blop Lit St:19 Le: 8 Wi:17 Dx:23 To:20 Ch: 4 Ap:12 Ma:18 Pe:19
N+
DV/PV: 38/15 H: 148(148) P: 46(46) Exp: 13/76366 M: 12961

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Inventory
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total weight: 2203 stones Carrying capacity: 2100 stones

Head : uncursed mithril cap [+0, +2] [40s]
Neck : uncursed rusty amulet of defense +5 [3s]
Body : uncursed spider shell armor (+0, -2) [-1, +5] [300s]
Girdle : metal girdle [+0, +1] [25s]
Cloak : uncursed cloak of protection [+0, +3] [20s]
Right Hand : -
Left Hand : -
Right Ring : uncursed ring of acid resistance [1s]
Left Ring : uncursed ring of searching [1s]
Bracers : uncursed bracers of defense [+2, +0] [10s]
Gauntlets : uncursed white leather gauntlets [+0, +1] [10s]
Boots : uncursed light boots [+0, +1] [20s]
Missile Weapon: uncursed short bow (+1, +3) [20s]
Missiles : bundle of 5 cursed mithril arrows (+0, 1d6+3) [10s]
Tool : -


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stuff
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Total weight: 1743 stones Carrying capacity: 2100 stones

Gauntlets ('[')
uncursed thick gauntlets (-1, -2) [+0, +0] [15s]
red gauntlets [10s]
gloves [6s]
Cloaks ('[')
blessed cloak of Oman (+2, +0) [+4, +4] {Dx+8} [20s]
Girdles ('[')
uncursed leather girdle [+0, +0] [5s]
Necklaces (''')
blessed amulet of balance [3s]
uncursed necklace of the silver tongue {Ch+3} [2s]
uncursed amulet of free action [3s]
uncursed necklace of rapid healing [2s]
blue amulet [3s]
amulet of free action [3s]
blue amulet [3s]
silver amulet [3s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed pick axe (+0, 1d6+4) [75s]
uncursed adamantium mace (+0, 1d6+6) [72s]
large hammer [89s]
golden gladius [30s]
Two-handed weapons ('(')
ancient scythe [70s]
Missile weapons ('}')
uncursed short bow (+1, +0) [20s]
Missiles ('/')
bundle of 3 uncursed quarrels of jelly slaying (+6, 2d6+5) [12s]
bundle of 3 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6) [6s]
uncursed arrow (-2, 1d6) [2s]
uncursed arrow of darkness (+0, 1d6) [2s]
bundle of 6 arrows [12s]
bundle of 18 arrows [36s]
arrow [2s]
arrow [2s]
Tools (']')
blessed small key [1s]
uncursed round key [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed small keys [2s]
uncursed fireproof blanket [10s]
blessed torch [10s]
uncursed si [10s]
blessed square key [1s]
blanket [10s]
heap of 2 sis [20s]
triangular key [1s]
Rings ('=')
uncursed ring of the fish [1s]
cursed ring of searching [1s]
uncursed ring of cold resistance [1s]
Wands ('\')
uncursed wand of cold (4 charges) [4s]
blessed wand of trap creation (3 charges) [3s]
curved wand [3s]
twisted wand [3s]
marble wand [3s]
oak wand [3s]
Potions ('!')
uncursed potion of balance [4s]
uncursed potion of learning [4s]
heap of 8 potions of holy water [32s]
cursed potion of toughness [4s]
cursed potion of balance [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of carrot juice [8s]
blessed berzio potion [2s]
uncursed potion of booze [4s]
uncursed potion of potential learning [4s]
uncursed oil of rust removal [2s]
uncursed potion of blindness [2s]
uncursed berzio potion [2s]
blessed potion of boost speed [2s]
potion of booze [4s]
shiny potion [2s]
potion of water [4s]
berzio potion [2s]
Scrolls ('?')
uncursed scroll of gold detection [2s]
cursed scroll of light [2s]
cursed scroll of monster aggravation [2s]
uncursed scroll of satiation [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of uncursing [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of light [4s]
uncursed scroll of darkness [2s]
cursed scroll of identify [2s]
uncursed scroll of item destruction [2s]
uncursed scroll of corruption removal [2s]
scroll of great identify [2s]
scroll of satiation [2s]
scroll of identify [2s]
papyrus scroll [2s]
Food ('%')
uncursed loaf of spider bread [3s]
blessed piece of fresh meat [20s]
heap of 3 uncursed melons [60s]
heap of 2 uncursed iron rations [200s]
uncursed large ration [200s]
uncursed piece of fresh meat [20s]
heap of 30 uncursed cooked lizards [90s]
blessed stomafillia herb [2s]
heap of 2 cursed pepper petals [4s]
uncursed pepper petal [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed stomafillia herbs [4s]
heap of 2 cursed stomafillia herbs [4s]
cursed stomacemptia herb [2s]
uncursed demon daisy [2s]
heap of 6 cursed alraunia antidotes [12s]
heap of 3 uncursed spenseweeds [6s]
heap of 3 cursed spenseweeds [6s]
blessed curaria mancox herb [2s]
heap of 2 blessed spenseweeds [4s]
heap of 4 cursed curaria mancox herbs [8s]
heap of 4 cursed moss patches of mareilon [8s]
uncursed alraunia antidote [2s]
uncursed curaria mancox herb [2s]
cursed bit of gnomish candy [2s]
bit of gnomish candy [2s]
loaf of bread [40s]
heap of 2 fortune cookies [6s]
heap of 8 moss patches of mareilon [16s]
heap of 8 moss patches of mareilon [16s]
heap of 6 moss patches of mareilon [12s]
heap of 5 morgia roots [10s]
heap of 2 morgia roots [4s]
heap of 2 morgia roots [4s]
Valuables ('$')
24635 gold pieces [246s]
Gems ('*')
uncursed worthless piece of brown glass [1s]
uncursed sapphire [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed aquamarines [2s]
uncursed crystal of knowledge [1s]
green gem [1s]
white gem [1s]
red gem [1s]

[Sian]

Considered saying "screw this" on succeding the Greater Demon quest and luring it to Thrundarr, hoping that it'll kill him? ... 5th quest (IIRC) gives Big Punch which is worthless for you.

[Bolto]

Probably the fastest way I can think of right now, I don't like my chances of getting a means of teleporting him anytime soon, I do have a decently fast character, and really don't care too much on who dies In DT (Apart from maybe Garth but even still)

[JellySlayer]

I think a wand of stunning is sufficient to get Thrundarr to move.

[sweetnothing]

Not entirely serious but I think lvl 32 class power would work here ;)

[Bolto]

Found a wand of stunning training up willpower/toughness with herbs, so I was able to deal with that

But I hit a complication at the water temple .. started to dig .. and I have a water temple area with a lake lol, I never seen this happen before in a temple area

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Screenshot
------------------------------------------------------------------------------


####
##=== ########### #######
#==== #.........# #.....#
#=====############### #.(.......###..>..#
#=====*.....#./.....# #........./.......#
#=====#...<.#.#.....###.........#########
##=====#...../.#...../...........#
##=====##################.........#
#=====# #.........#
##=====################# #/#########
#=====*@***....*.......# #.#
#=====##########.......###.#################
#===== #......./...........#....(..#
##==== #.......###########.#.......#
#=====#########.......# #./.......#
#=====.*...].**.......# ###.......#
#=====#########.......# #.......#
===== ######### #########
====#
###
Blop Lithium St:21 Le:13 Wi:24 Dx:28 To:29 Ch: 5 Ap:12 Ma:20 Pe:20 N-
DV/PV: 41/15 H: 255(255) P: 92(92) Exp: 17/275711 D: 19 Sp: 114
Blessed Bloated Burdened
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I do have a wand of cold thankfully, so this isn't a disaster, took a couple of stat drains though in the undead trek :/ But going to sleep with that in mind

[JellySlayer]

If you have spare holy water, blessed ring of the fish will also provide sufficient protection.

[Bolto]

Used the wands to get through the river to the temple (I did have a ring of the fish, but I got no waterproof blankets, so went the crossing method) Despite my pretty lowish DV at this point, smashed through the temple, and just crit arrowed the snake to death

Found a tension room of vampires and got stat drained again at the area before the door of flames blocking me grrrrr, only with 21 STR, and had the misfortune of finding 2 doppelganger kings already which I almost got killed by one from overconfidence, but in a short time of farming, I found a RODS, and thinking what to wish for, the only thing I need for the ToEF is rings of ice, or maybe I could wish for a dragon scale mail (Though I already have fire immunity, adding another immunity would be really nice, I know I got no shock resistance at all) Or I could wish for a giant girdle of strength or save it for corruption removal (Had my first corruption and it was stiff muscles and already had to use my scroll to remove that)

[grobblewobble]

Don´t wish for rings of ice. Rings of ice are not needed, having a blessed fireproof blanket is more than enough for equipment protection, unless there is flammable equipment that you really need to wear. Iron equipment will most likely survive without ring of ice, and higher metal is completely safe.

Moreover, the dwarven mystic will give neutral characters a ring of ice in the recent versions of the game, if you really want one.

So it´s much better to use your wish on something else. Scale mail is not a great use of a wish either imo, especially when you´re already fire immune.

Do you have teleport control yet? Teleport control is extremely important, the most important intrinsic in the game by far. I think you're best off wishing for a blink dog. Once you have teleport control, it will allow you to chat to the mystic, so you will get a free ring of ice as one of the immediate benefits. He might also give you four more SoCR.

[Bolto]

I did have teleport control early on but I lost it due to some pool sipping (I did gain paralyazation resistance and death resistance in return though) Might be my best play at this point to regain teleport control and try the mystic, especially now you mention that, I really don't want to excessively grind (And also given the relatively low means of chaos removal, I don't want to get too corrupted grinding) That and I also can put back on my cloak of oman to use, it been sitting gathering dust for a while now since losing tele control and I not have enough brink dog spawn.

That or wish for ring of elemental mastery but that only helps out later on, I need a means of now for ToEF.

[JellySlayer]

Elemental mastery is of very little value at this point, given that you already have =Fire. You don't need immunities, really (though the lack of any electrical resistance is problematic, but you should be able to find something or other at the Casino). Even in that case, you'd be better off with blue dragon armor.

Teleport control is a pretty high priority though... it's the easiest and safest way passed the eternal guardian, plus if you're neutral, the mystic can give you the ring of ice and maybe some SoCR, which solves two problems at once.

I also like rings of regeneration for a wish, though it's a little late for it as they usually turn up around Casino as well. Saving for SoCR later isn't a bad idea if things work out and you have nothing better for your wish.

[Bolto]

I ended up wishing for a blink dog corpse, got my teleport control back, and it looks like wishing for it paid off with the mystic, got the ring of ice AND 4 scrolls of corruption removal, looks like the wish really was well spent here (Though getting lucky with the scrolls was a huge bonus)

Ascended the ToEF with very little incident afterwards, with alertness 100 and wands of cold was able to quickly lure the wyrm out and just whittle him to death with the wands, didn't need to drink a single potion of healing at all, decided to eat the corpse (Given my strength is pretty low at this point and I got spare removal now) Got corrupted with thorns (Ok) Extremely light weight (Meh) And stiffness again (Ughhhhh) So ended up having to use a scroll to removal the latter two corruptions.

Either way assuming I can fix up my STR/HP, this is looking like a real chance of a winning character now :) Thanks for the advice so far guys, first time I got a Lithium man character past ToEF

Side note, can now see why you guys say Tele control is a must have in Lithium man, the enternal guardian is no joke sheesh, serveral clones later finally managed to get him to open up and get through to the staircase

[grobblewobble]

Good going. :)

Actually I didn't know that you can wish for a blink dog corpse directly, am I reading it right and is that what you did? I was thinking of wishing for a living dog and killing clones until one of them spawned a corpse.

[Bolto]

Was the blink dog I wished for, I know corpses were really shaky to wish for, iirc it's random what corpse you get (Which was always why the farmer corpse was always such a pain, at least the last time I played)

[Bolto]

Got to the casino, nothing really of note, Got a red dragon scale and black dragon scale which is what I put on, but no lightning resist or immunity, misclicked on a cat earlier so lost that quest (god damn that was so dumb) had to lure the cat off the level to get past him, cavernous level on D37, skipped air temple for now, ran into a room full of ancient karmic dragons, decided with the room outside could dance and pick them off with arrows, killed them all for loot/XP, nothing again of note dropping, skipped the earth level .. and I opened a mixed tension room first door .. and it has a pair of minotaur mages, which had continually confused me and stat drained me to hell (Luckily it didn't touch my STR, but my mana and appearance and CHA and DEX got obliterated) Ended up having to use prayer to try and get to the stairs before I was stat drained to death.

All of a sudden, things are not looking so great :P Not really sure what to do, I don't really have any teleportation sources apart from 1 scroll of teleportation, I still got no lightning resistance or immunity, and I got a minotaur mage waiting for me as soon as I descend past the earth temple area .. was trying to win the game quickly but looks like now that is now not an option, thinking I will have to grind D:37 for a bit, but really not sure what else I can do at this point (While also retraining the DEX damage I got hit by earlier)

[grobblewobble]

yikes, that sucks.

The way to deal with minotaur mages is usually to disable them. Could you post an inventory dump? Then we can look at the options.

[Bolto]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Inventory
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total weight: 4183 stones Carrying capacity: 6075 stones

Head : uncursed adamantium cap [+0, +6] [36s]
Neck : uncursed amulet of defense +5 [3s]
Body : uncursed black dragon scale mail (-2, -4) [-2, +11] [200s]
Girdle : blessed eternium girdle [+0, +4] [12s]
Cloak : blessed cloak of Oman (+2, +0) [+4, +4] {Dx+8} [20s]
Right Hand : -
Left Hand : -
Right Ring : uncursed ring of slaying (+6 melee damage, +6 missile damage)
Left Ring : uncursed ring of invisibility [1s]
Bracers : blessed bracers of toughness [+0, +0] {To+7} [10s]
Gauntlets : uncursed fencing gloves of speed [+4, +1] (+4 spd) [6s]
Boots : uncursed eternium boots [+0, +8] [55s]
Missile Weapon: uncursed long bow of hunting (+6, +3) [30s]
Missiles : bundle of 3 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6) [6s]
Tool : cursed Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire {St+10} [100s]


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stuff
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Total weight: 3703 stones Carrying capacity: 6075 stones

Helmets ('[')
uncursed orcish helmet [+1, +5] {Pe-1} [100s]
uncursed adamantium cap [+0, +2] [36s]
blessed eternium cap [+0, +4] [28s]
blessed helm of beauty (+1, +1) [+2, +0] {Ap+2} [50s]
uncursed silver helmet (-1, +1) [+1, +0] [50s]

Armor ('[')
uncursed eternium plate mail (-1, -2) [-1, +13] [240s]
cursed clothes of damnation [+0, +0] [40s]
blessed black dragon scale mail (-2, -4) [-2, +9] [200s]

Gauntlets ('[')
blessed gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +1] [10s]
uncursed rusty gauntlets (-1, +0) [+2, +1] [10s]
uncursed thick gauntlets (-1, -2) [+0, +1] [15s]
heap of 3 uncursed pairs of gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +1] [30s]
uncursed gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +2] [10s]
blessed white dragon-hide gauntlets (-2, +0) [+2, +2] [10s]
uncursed thick gauntlets (-1, -2) [+2, +3] [15s]
blessed gauntlets of strength (-1, +0) [-1, +1] {St+3} [40s]
uncursed alchemistic gloves [+0, +2] [6s]

Girdles ('[')
uncursed girdle of greed [+0, +0] [7s]
uncursed girdle of carrying [+0, +0] [15s]
uncursed adamantium girdle [+0, +3] [18s]
uncursed adamantium girdle [+0, +6] [18s]
Boots ('[')
blessed eternium boots [+0, +5] [55s]

Necklaces (''')
blessed amulet of balance [3s]
heap of 2 uncursed necklaces of the silver tongue {Ch+3} [4s]
uncursed amulet of free action [3s]
heap of 2 uncursed necklaces of rapid healing [4s]
blessed amulet of perseverance {Wi+3} [3s]
blessed amulet of free action [3s]
cursed amulet of perseverance {Wi+3} [3s]
heap of 3 uncursed amulets of protection +2 [9s]
uncursed amulet of protection from undead [3s]
heap of 2 uncursed necklaces of rabies resistance [4s]
blessed amulet of protection +5 [3s]
cursed necklace of the silver tongue {Ch+3} [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed amulets of light [6s]
cursed necklace of rapid healing [2s]
blessed necklace of rapid healing [2s]
blessed necklace of the silver tongue {Ch+3} [2s]
uncursed pendant of mana {Ma+2} [3s]
cursed amulet of greed [3s]
uncursed amulet of teleport control [3s]

Bracers (',')
heap of 2 uncursed pairs of bracers of defense [+2, +0] [20s]
uncursed bracers of toughness [+0, +0] {To+4} [10s]
uncursed bracers of speed [+0, +0] (+4 spd) [10s]
uncursed bracers of regeneration [+0, +0] [18s]

One-handed weapons ('(')
uncursed pick axe (+0, 1d6+4) [75s]
uncursed pick axe (+1, 1d6+1) [75s]
uncursed eternium scimitar (+0, 2d8+8) [19s]

Two-handed weapons ('(')
blessed eternium halberd (+11, 4d7+8) [-2, +0] [50s]

Missile weapons ('}')
uncursed short bow (+1, +3) [20s]

Missiles ('/')
bundle of 3 uncursed quarrels of jelly slaying (+6, 2d6+5) [12s]
uncursed arrow (+2, 1d6) [2s]
blessed arrow (+0, 1d6-3) [2s]
bundle of 4 blessed arrows of construct slaying (+3, 1d6+3) [8s]
bundle of 8 cursed quarrels (+1, 2d6) [16s]
cursed arrow (+3, 1d6) [2s]
bundle of 2 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6+3) [4s]
uncursed arrow (-1, 1d6) [2s]
bundle of 2 blessed adamantium arrows (+1, 1d6+6) [2s]
bundle of 4 uncursed arrows of undead slaying (+3, 2d4+3) [8s]
heap of 8 uncursed rocks (+0, 1d4+2) [40s]
bundle of 3 uncursed adamantium drakish scurgari (+7, 1d8+7) [21s]
bundle of 3 uncursed eternium arrows (+1, 2d6+8) [3s]
bundle of 16 uncursed arrows of construct slaying (+3, 1d6+3) [32s]
uncursed boomerang (+5, 2d4+1) [20s]
bundle of 4 blessed arrows (+0, 1d6+2) [8s]
bundle of 10 uncursed arrows of giant slaying (+3, 1d10+3) [20s]
bundle of 15 uncursed arrows (+3, 1d6+1) [30s]
uncursed winged arrow of slaying (+0, 1d6) [2s]
bundle of 14 uncursed arrows (-2, 1d6) [28s]
bundle of 8 cursed arrows of slaying (+0, 1d6) [16s]
uncursed arrow (+3, 1d6-2) [2s]
cursed arrow (+0, 1d6-2) [2s]
blessed arrow of slaying (+2, 1d6+2) [2s]
uncursed arrow (+0, 1d6+1) [2s]
bundle of 2 uncursed arrows of demon slaying (+3, 1d6+3) [4s]
bundle of 4 blessed mithril arrows (+0, 1d6+3) [8s]
arrow [2s]
bundle of 2 arrows [4s]
bundle of 10 uncursed arrows of jelly slaying (+3, 2d4+3) [20s]

Tools (']')
blessed small key [1s]
heap of 3 uncursed round keys [3s]
heap of 3 uncursed small keys [3s]
heap of 2 uncursed fireproof blankets [20s]
blessed square key [1s]
uncursed plain blanket [10s]
blessed triangular key [1s]
cursed fireproof blanket [10s]
heap of 8 blessed bandages [16s]
blessed waterproof blanket [10s]
blessed fireproof blanket [10s]
heap of 2 uncursed hexagonal keys [2s]
uncursed Chaos Orb of Elemental Water {Wi+10} [100s]
cursed hexagonal key [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed triangular keys [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed waterproof blankets [20s]
blessed magical writing set (2) [5s]
uncursed magical writing set (1) [5s]

Rings ('=')
uncursed ring of searching [1s]
uncursed ring of the fish [1s]
cursed ring of searching [1s]
uncursed ring of cold resistance [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed rings of acid resistance [2s]
uncursed ring of damage [1s]
uncursed ring of gain attribute {Ap+1} [1s]
heap of 2 uncursed wedding rings [2s]
uncursed ring of fire resistance [1s]
blessed ring of stun resistance [1s]
uncursed ring of mental stability [+0, +1] {Le+3} [1s]
blessed ring of ice [1s]
uncursed brass ring [1s]
cursed ring of teleport control [1s]

Wands ('\')
uncursed wand of cold (1 charge) [4s]
blessed wand of far slaying (2 charges) [3s]
blessed wand of webbing (9 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of item detection (4 charges) [3s]
blessed wand of fireballs (3 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of knocking (8 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of ball lightning (0 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of magic missiles (0 charges) [3s]
cursed wand of door creation (5 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of monster creation (7 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of ball lightning (1 charge) [4s]
uncursed wand of ball lightning (4 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of door creation (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of stunning (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of earthquakes (1 charge) [3s]
uncursed wand of earthquakes (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of gold detection (5 charges) [6s]
cursed wand of wonder (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of lightning (0 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of magic missiles (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of item detection (6 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of poison (10 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of lightning (1 charge) [4s]
uncursed wand of poison (10 charges) [3s]
blessed wand of stunning (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of door creation (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of monster detection (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of cold (0 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of monster detection (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of gold detection (1 charge) [6s]
uncursed wand of door creation (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of fireballs (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of teleportation (4 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of gold detection (6 charges) [6s]
uncursed wand of lightning (2 charges) [4s]
cursed wand of gold detection (4 charges) [6s]
wand of fire [4s]
wand of item detection [3s]
wand of door creation [3s]

Potions ('!')
heap of 3 uncursed potions of balance [12s]
potion of holy water [4s]
cursed potion of balance [4s]
heap of 8 uncursed potions of carrot juice {+++++++++++++++++} [32s]
blessed berzio potion [2s]
heap of 3 uncursed potions of booze [12s]
uncursed potion of potential learning [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed oils of rust removal [4s]
heap of 6 uncursed berzio potions [12s]
uncursed potion of boost perception [2s]
blessed potion of exchange [4s]
heap of 6 uncursed potions of invisibility [24s]
heap of 3 uncursed potions of exchange [12s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of insight [4s]
uncursed potion of sickness [2s]
heap of 4 uncursed potions of cure poison [8s]
uncursed potion of healing [4s]
heap of 2 blessed potions of extra healing [4s]
heap of 3 blessed potions of ultra healing [6s]
heap of 4 uncursed potions of potential dexterity [16s]
uncursed potion of wonder [2s]
cursed potion of potential learning [4s]
heap of 3 uncursed potions of poison [12s]
uncursed potion of boost learning [2s]
uncursed potion of raw mana [2s]
uncursed potion of charisma [4s]
cursed potion of potential mana [4s]
cursed potion of booze [4s]
uncursed potion of longevity [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of confusion [4s]
heap of 6 blessed potions of insight [12s]
blessed potion of boost willpower [2s]
heap of 9 uncursed potions of water [36s]
uncursed potion of boost speed [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of extra healing [4s]
cursed potion of carrot juice [4s]
uncursed potion of potential mana [4s]
uncursed potion of oil [2s]
cursed potion of insight [2s]
uncursed potion of potential willpower [4s]
blessed potion of healing [4s]
uncursed potion of boost appearance [2s]
uncursed potion of boost charisma [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of training [4s]
uncursed potion of education [2s]
potion of balance [4s]
potion of cure poison [2s]
potion of potential dexterity [4s]
potion of boost willpower [2s]
potion of boost speed [2s]
potion of education [2s]
crimson potion [4s]

Scrolls ('?')
heap of 3 uncursed scrolls of gold detection [6s]
cursed scroll of light [2s]
cursed scroll of monster aggravation [2s]
uncursed scroll of satiation [2s]
uncursed scroll of darkness [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of item destruction [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of item detection [4s]
uncursed papyrus scroll [2s]
heap of 3 uncursed blank scrolls [6s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of defense [4s]
heap of 2 cursed scrolls of darkness [4s]
heap of 4 uncursed scrolls of power [8s]
blessed scroll of familiar summoning [2s]
cursed scroll of item detection [2s]
uncursed scroll of familiar summoning [2s]
blessed scroll of darkness [2s]
uncursed scroll of amnesia [2s]
heap of 2 blessed scrolls of corruption removal [4s]
uncursed scroll of monster detection [2s]
heap of 3 blessed scrolls of identify [6s]
blessed scroll of item detection [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of identify [4s]
uncursed scroll of charging [2s]
uncursed scroll of teleportation [2s]
scroll labeled "DOGO FUTSF" [2s]
blessed scroll of ill fate [2s]
cursed scroll of great identify [2s]
uncursed scroll of uncursing [2s]
scroll of great identify [2s]
scroll of uncursing [2s]
scroll of light [2s]

(Cropped food/gems, as nothing useful was there, and 20000 character limit on post)

[grobblewobble]

Alright, let's see.

You have 4 potions of exchange. The first thing I would do is bless them all and start ring dipping. You don't have any stack larger than size 2, but there are several possible good outcomes: minor / major elemental mastery would fix your electricity resistance hole. RoDS is obviously great, and rings of slaying / regeneration would also be useful.

Now those minotaur mages. I'd say recharge your wand of stunning, read your Scroll of Familiar Summoning and equip the ring of mental stability and the water orb (high willpower helps prevent confusion). If you have any luck with the familiar summoning, this should be more than sufficient.. if your companion somehow doesn't manage to beat up the mages, stun them. For good measure, put the potions of confusion in your missile slot. That will take them out for sure, if needed.

I'd also consume those pots of education and training.

What are your current stats? How bad is it, and do you have any moss of mareillon left to fix dex?

[Bolto]

Back from work, probably going to take a couple of hours to sleep, but I will see what I can do with the dipping, the mino mages I won't face again for a little while at least, I would of had consumed my educations, but I got a severe holy water shortage and no altars past EG .. the thought of having to convert the earth altar is starting to creep in

I do have a herb patch past EG with Morgia and mareillion, done the best I can to fix my DEX and recapped it with herbs, still down a few points, but it's better then having no DEX, poor thing :(

As for stats as they stand (Obviously they include the item modifiers on my gear)

ST : 34
LE : 13
WI : 25
Dx : 34
To: 35
Ch : 1
Ap : 1
Ma : 9
Pe : 19

Probably the lowest stats I had for this late in the game, but it's not in unwinnable terrority yet, but also realised cause I messed up on the cat quest .. I am gonna need a see invis source for the archmage *Groan*

[JellySlayer]

Honestly, your stats aren't bad. I definitely wouldn't bother farming for moss in the lower CoC at this point.... corruption is not worth it. You could probably lose 10 points in every stat and you still wouldn't be in unwinnable territory.

[Bolto]

Attempted the dipping, didn't ding a RODS or resist rings, so had to grind out D37 for a bit, ton of turns wasted, finally did get a ring of elemental mastery drop thank goodness, backtracked to the air temple, obliterated the temple with berserk fisting, summoner was drawn out really quick so was a very quick kill, pick up orb and get out, very minimal gear loss, only lost my bracers of toughness, rip + 7's but picked up a bracers of regeneration to replace them.

Picked up another corruption, got the mists of chaos corruption (Yes!) My see invis issue has been solved (Thanks chaos) Dove directly to the earth temple, again just turning on berserk and obliterating even the earth elementals so quickly, fast enough so I can hit in berserk on one, then tap backwards without getting hit, repeat the process (They hit like a truck on crits though, but was in the realm of manageable, softened up the boss with my wands of fireball, and finished him off with fists, also picked up a wand of teleportation in there, converted the altar with no issues)

Going to create some more potions of holy water, and I believe I am ready to try and win the game at this point, hopefully can get past these mino mages without any issues, here we go.

[Bolto]

We have a winner :)

Got the scroll of familiar summoning to summon a greater earth elemental, go down the stairs with the orb and ring on, and having chugged a potion of speed before hand, the elemental one shots the first mino mage lol, and basically clears out the mixed room completely for me, next floor get a greater vault, a red dragon greater vault, I clear the entire vault with the help of my new friend (The bugger was one shotting ancient red dragons and great red wyrms) Get boots of the divine messager and see nothing else really of much value apart from another wand of teleport, make a dash towards the mana temple, dig in, detect traps, with my friend in tow, using an amulet of light, clear out the temple completely, archmage also meets a one shot end at the hands of the elemental.

Had to leave him before before the final dive :( Put in the orbs, but have a major stroke of misfortune after the fifth orb was placed in, I hit a stone trap and have both my longbows destroyed, leaving me with no bow for the final fight, it turned out not to be a huge deal .. I was able to just do the run and fist berserker tactics with the balors, at least until I had to deal with the greater balor, Got hit 3 times, received two corruptions instantly, though I dealt with him by drinking my other potions of boost speed and was able to apply the run and fist tactics to him as well to deal with him, cleared out the room, switches all triggered, left the chain.

Learned a ton this game, will post the victory flg in a little while, thanks to the guys who helped me out with this win, though as a side note, I believe I found a bug at least in the steam achievements (Playing R64 steam version of ADOM), it didn't reward me with the lithium man achievement (Despite knowing I not broken any of the requirements to be classed as one) Oh well, happy to get a win out of this game anyways.