Greater vaults are just fun. I think we can afford to have one guaranteed one.

I really like this idea (greater vaults are indeed a lot of fun).

I'd caution against certain new types though--for example, anything with with multiple chaos wizards. Chaos wizards are one of the most cantankerous, annoying creatures in all of ADOM. If you want to emphasize the fun/challenge aspect, it's better to leave out the really tedious monsters. On the other hand, something like a greater lawful vault is a great idea--that's pretty unique and rather exciting!

Perhaps a Greater Vault could be put on an extra level at the end of the reverse-levels section of the CoC. You know, where you jump down 5 levels or so, and then go up instead of down? At the end of that sequence, when you reach the level with only two down staircases, I'd add an up staircase that leads to a level with a guaranteed greater vault. I would restrict the possibilities in that greater vault, to make sure that its contents aren't overpowered. Think of it as a Greater equivalent of the vault on PC:6.

I'd then add another Greater Vault, guaranteed to be a real challenge, in some sort of "end game" location, a location that you can't even access until you reach a certain level, or complete some difficult task. Make it so that it's filled with one of the hardest types of beings to handle, and you've got a real challenge on your hands.

I think there's been another suggestion similar to this one, but... add yet another vote for a guaranteed greater vault. Clearing one is, indeed, truly exciting. :D

I don't know about new greater vault types, but I am absolutely in favor of having at least one guaranteed random greater vault in the CoC. Currently the formula is 0-6, I believe. It'd be great if it was 1-6 so any game would have at least one. I'm always disappointed when I find out a game has no greater vaults.

6? never seen more than 4. And that was a pretty awesome game since all 4 were fire vaults and i was a wizard with ice ball heh

I saw six once, with a hurtling archer.

How about a mixed greater vault? Just cuz... Evil.

I don't know about this--I like greater vaults, but they have balance issues. Giant vaults are just a slog and a lootfest, not dangerous at all to characters that get down that far. Undead vaults are incredibly nasty for most characters--the only time I was able to clear one, I was playing a wizard and used monster detect + t. control to land in an empty square near the lich kings and emperor liches, and nuked them quickly. Dragon vaults are in between the two--easy with the right elemental spells, but more difficult than giants and there is equipment destruction to worry about.

In short, I think they can use revisiting--but the suggestion of a guaranteed GV doesn't guarantee a more fun game.

Agree that they're very very swingy at the moment. Greater giant vaults are stupidly easy, Greater undead vaults are stupidly hard. Might be a topic for a seperate RFE, but could perhaps g giant vaults have +++ experience giants and g undead vaults have ---experience undead...?

That must have been awesome.

ADOM now contains a guaranteed greater vault.If you want new vault types please file a spearate issue with suggestions for danger levels and monster combinations.

This is my favorite new feature so far in the entire resurrection.

Excellent news!