Rolf's Saviour not Guaranteed?
issueid=5175 10-05-2017 02:26 PM
Ancient Member
Number of reported issues by Carter: 20
Rolf's Saviour not Guaranteed?

Not sure why but in some circumstances you can ask Thundarr about rolf and still not get the shield when you complete the arena quest.

Should be 100% but it's not.
Issue Details
Issue Number 5175
Project ADOM (Ancient Domains Of Mystery)
Category All
Status Fixed
Priority 2
Affected Version ADOM 2.3.3
Fixed Version ADOM 2.3.4
Milestone (none)
Users able to reproduce bug 1
Users unable to reproduce bug 0
Assigned Users (none)
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10-05-2017 03:41 PM
Ancient Member

Several days ago we were playing with Grond more or less at the same time. I wasn't able to get the shield despite asking about Rolf as the first action (which as far as I am aware based on Grond's testing is the main factor) while his char got the shield. The characters were comparable (his lawful Mist Elven Necro and my lawful Mist Elven Priest).

If the requirement breaks due to some factor, it will be nice to at least have a hint from someone to learn from mistakes. So far I have few ideas on what went wrong. If it's not meant to be guaranteed (I don't mind this), we can still have some sort of a message to signify that. If it is possible to make the shield guaranteed by taking some niche talents or sacrificing some things, it will be the best approach in my opinion.

Mist Elven Merchant, L when entering Dwarftown, asked about Rolf as the first action, L+ crowned when giving in the Arena quest, obtained 3 fragments before giving in the quest. My best guess is that someone died in Dwarftown (on my orders actually, but done by a pet to obtain pickaxes).

This is a huge bummer, because I want to finish new quests in a normal game, and I can't know whether I will get the Shield or not. Since this is a prerelease, I don't even know whether it caused by some bug or my character not fulfilling some condition or breaking some rule.

This situation is not new and in my opinion causes quite some confusion among old and new players alike. To this day nobody knows what exactly causes some characters to be unable to get the weird tome. They go to the Guidebook/wiki to confirm the steps they took and end up frustrated because it appears to be some random unknown thing.

10-05-2017 03:53 PM
Qui Qui is offline
Senior Member
Well I don't know if it's supposed to be 100% or not, but also happened to me (L ratling archer), no dwarves on kill list if that matters.

10-05-2017 06:33 PM
Junior Member
It really should be guaranteed somehow, because I think people will want to try out these new quests.

10-05-2017 07:01 PM
Senior Member
It was never guaranteed, was it?

10-05-2017 08:45 PM
Junior Member
Previously no, but now that it's needed to continue the quest, I think it definitly should be.

10-05-2017 09:59 PM
Ancient Member
Quote Originally Posted by BenMathiesen
It was never guaranteed, was it?
when you actually get it, thundarr says something like "you've been asking about our history alot... here is the shield" which seems to imply it is triggered by asking about rolf.

seems to be 100% with dwarves from my testing but elves/gnomes have both failed to get it.

10-06-2017 05:16 AM
Senior Member
But if you're not doing the quest, sometimes the extra stuff (potions of extra healing, blankets, etc.) is much more useful. Maybe Thrundarr should give you the choice?

10-06-2017 05:28 AM
Ancient Member
Quote Originally Posted by BenMathiesen
But if you're not doing the quest, sometimes the extra stuff (potions of extra healing, blankets, etc.) is much more useful. Maybe Thrundarr should give you the choice?
The choice is whether to ask about Rolf or not. Asking seems to greatly increase the chance of receiving the shield (has worked 100% of the time for me), but apparently it's not guaranteed, as evidenced by this bug report. If you're not interested in doing the quest, then there's no need to ask.

10-06-2017 10:45 AM
The Creator
Fixed. The conditions on when you talk to the dwarven veteran were too tight.

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