Piety decay - bug or undocumented change?
issueid=4129 12-01-2015 07:51 PM
Senior Member
Number of reported issues by shockeroo: 50
Piety decay - bug or undocumented change?

It looks like there's been a change to piety decay since I last tried precrowning. I've been through the changelog extensively and I can't a reference to piety, sacrifice or crowning changes that would affect this.

It no longer seems possible to get a 2nd precrown with live sacrifices; you decay from 'favors greatly' to 'favors' before you can sacrifice enough creatures to get any higher. I'd be okay with this as a change if it's intentional, but I'm annoyed it's undocumented; I wasted over an hour sacrificing monsters before I realized something was up, since I couldn't find anything about it in the changelog.

Please confirm whether this is intentional, and if so please document in the changelog.


(Addition from below:
It's worth nothing there may have been no change and this may be an observation error on my part; this is the first time I've done precrowning since the favors / greatly favors messages were introduced and it's possible I'm just seeing the effects of regular piety decay for the first time.

I'd assumed that there had been a change because someone in my general thread about this said there had been, but it's possible they were mistaken.)
Issue Details
Issue Number 4129
Project ADOM (Ancient Domains Of Mystery)
Category All
Status Unconfirmed
Priority 5 - Medium
Affected Version ADOM r64 (v2.0.3)
Fixed Version (none)
Milestone (none)
Users able to reproduce bug 2
Users unable to reproduce bug 1
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12-01-2015 08:51 PM
Senior Member
(Gym21 seems to feel this may actually be a bug with piety messages... although I know precrowning very well and I'm pretty sure it's genuine decay. Here's his post for reference anyway. http://www.adom.de/forums/showthread...767#post105767)

12-10-2015 04:50 PM
Junior Member
See also #1353, #2506, #2661, and #3560.

Personally, I think it just shouldn't be possible to get more than 1 precrown (or you could get it as a postcrown later). You need to do a ton of grinding to even do that and crown, anyway.

12-10-2015 04:55 PM
Ancient Member
It is worth noting that piety decay is a percentage of your total piety. 2nd precrown requires a very large amount of piety, much larger than first precrown, so your piety loss will be proportionately higher. If you aren't in a cavernous level, getting a second livesac precrown can be very inefficient.

12-14-2015 06:15 PM
Senior Member
I did 3 precrowns on the Steam version (i believe r63?), the piety messages did change to favors, favors greatly, and extremely close as expected.

I'd guess the above 3 messages occur at target-10k, target-5k, and target piety rather than a fixed amount like the regular piety level messages, since the very close status lasted a very long time but as soon as favors appeared it moved quickly through the other messages.

12-14-2015 10:32 PM
Senior Member
It's worth nothing there may have been no change and this may be an observation error on my part; this is the first time I've done precrowning since the favors / greatly favors messages were introduced and it's possible I'm just seeing the effects of regular piety decay for the first time.

I'd assumed that there had been a change because someone in my general thread about this said there had been, but it's possible they were mistaken.

12-16-2015 06:13 AM
Senior Member
I failed to get second precrown with my new dark elf paladin. I found chaotic altar in VD:1, good spot, lots of low level creatures to sacrifice. I had 3k gold to buy tons of food to run back and worth. I got myself precrowned pretty fast. I played thru VD and Puppy Cave and was high enough level to get second precrown for sure.

I got myself to "Your deity favors you." Then when I went to get food from town I was back to "Very close" status. Tooks me all my food (20x large rations) to get back to "Your deity favors you."

I also noticed when I got to "Your deity favors you." I sacrificed another creature and got "Very close" message right after, then 3rd creature I sacrificed got me to "Your deity favors you." So it dropped down a lot between waiting for one creature to walk on the altar. So it's a bug imo. Or I would also like to know if it's intented feature.

I have to try it with another character. Normally I'm just fine with 1 precrown and don't go for the second one. This was with chaotic dark elf paladin.

Edit:

It's bugged probably or piety reduce rate is absolutely huge. I'm on new character L+ precrowned dwarf paladin now. I was trying to get crowned with live sacrifices. I never got to "favors you". I sacrificed 40k gold and got to "favors you" then I kept sacrificing live sacrifices and I was quickly back to "very close" it seems to be impossible to get extremely close with live sacrifices now.

12-17-2015 09:07 PM
Senior Member
For the record, my 3 precrowns were done in the putrid cave. It's much easier there (or PC5) than anywhere else.

The old numbers for precrowns were something like 30k/80k/180k, I believe, with decay being 1% every X (200?) turns. I'm not sure how much piety each sacrifice is worth (based on satiation value?) but without increased generation from a cavernous level you'd need to save up a large amount of gold/valuables to hopefully get over the last hump.

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