I see two problems - first of all, beginners are unlikely to know about this method of wish-saving. Second of all, it erases all of the sense of "luckiness" at getting a wish, by letting you keep it in reserve for as long as you want even if it's from a pool, or something like that.

Other than that, it's mostly a well-understood rule of wishes that you can't wish for more wishes, and that includes wishing for another chance to make a single wish.

A far better idea would be to simple provide a method of saving when the wish prompt comes up, perhaps with an extra protection that forces a "restore" when next running the game and stopping people from saving a wish-prompt indefinitely and backing up those saves in such a state without extensive knowledge of how to bypass it. Obviously, there will always be ways around it, but then, the idea here is to maintain integrity for most people.

No, because you can't wish for wishes. No one in the history of fantasy fiction who has wished for wishes has ever gotten their way; it's usually mentioned as the first loophole that the power that grants wishes won't allow. The suggested change would seriously hurt flavor and immersion.

Not that I think the current system is broken, unfair or in need of improvement in general. Wishes are powerful, but fickle magic. Of course you have to say what you want right away and get no time to think. How could it be any other way?

I hereby refer you to "The Great Wish Syndicate": http://www.online-literature.com/joh...-check-book/2/

Having said that, though, I do agree that that is not really suitable for Adom.

Actually, what Anon123 suggests does not erase the sense of luckiness, instead it adds exposure to "bad luckiness".

Consider the following scenario:

1. You find a wish and defer it into a brass ring turning it into a ring of djinni summoning
2. You kick at a lock door
3. It was trapped with a collapsing trick door
4. The random equipment destruction chooses the ring of djinni summoning and FUBARs it.
5. Rage Shift-q in disgust

EDIT: Changed trap type as per Silfir's post

Rings of djinni summoning are adamantium and almost never destroyed by anything.

Thanks for that short story, by the way! That should teach me to make outlandish claims for the purpose of expressing a point (but probably won't). Though technically, I did say "gotten their way". The dude eventually had to stop using his infinite wishes, after all. It also illustrates nicely how the magic is pulled out of a wish to be replaced by economics once the wishes become easy to master. Unless we're deliberately subverting the concept like in the short story, wishing should never become trivial.

I'm beginning to regret suggesting this now :D

So in order for the game to be good, it must follow established tropes, right?

However, we're not creating infinite wishes here, so how exactly does it make it "trivial"? Wish engines do that, and that needs to be stopped.

By "backing up the saves" do you mean like save scumming, or some way to try and cheat so as to replicate the wish? But why is a "restore" when re-loading required to prevent wish multiplication?

mike3, all three of your questions have managed to shoot several miles off the point, which is kind of impressive and sad at the same time.

Two of those questions were because I wanted to try and understand better what was meant by those posts. Can you answer them for that?

What I mean is that the wish should still feel unique and special, and thus saving mid-wish should be something that can only be done as a way to essentially 'pause' the game. It should not just become an easy way to, say, repeat the wish until you get a specific result (given the random factors involved, that is). It's not so much about wish multiplication as RNG-bypassing.

Obviously, you can still do those sorts of things using rings, wands, or spells, but pool wishes feel a lot more "lucky", and reducing that feeling makes it less like a wish and more like a cheat.

And to that point - Cheatman, I don't deny the risk involved, but turning a lucky wish from a pool into basically an on-demand wish makes it feel less like luck. And the risk of destruction can practically be nullified by putting it in a safe location until you want to use it.

I think you guys need to stop arguing about irrelevant stuff here, this feature won't be implemented and that's it. :P

However, the only way one could "repeat" a wish, however wish-"postponement" was implemented, would be to save scum (provided wish postponement was implemented properly). But savescumming already is game-breaking anyways and will invalidate your victory. Why does wish postponement have to be restricted to make it harder in this particular instance, and yet it not be made harder in general?

Perhaps wishing for "wishes" (as per the fortune cookie) could yield the same behavior as asking for a wish item in plural.

I don't mean to sound rude, but in the end I think that's up to Thomas.

Again, it's fairly well-understood that, in the vast majority of fiction, you can't wish for more wishes. So most beginners, when faced with the chance to get a wish granted, aren't going to wish for wishes. Such wishes are most likely to be made by people who have played a fair bit and want to experiment more.

*POOF*
"Thou hast freed me, mortal! Make your wish!"
"Ring of djinni summoning!"
... "So, you really want me to just go back in, don't you?"
"That would be swell, yes."
"You're kind of a douche, mortal."



All "uncontrolled" wish sources have a very low percentage of working out - getting a wish from a pool or wand of wonder is already an exceptionally lucky break. It doesn't need to be preservable to feel good. Yeah, you might come to regret your wish choice - but that's part of the appeal in ADOM; you don't get to reload to correct your mistakes. Wishes are powerful - but not consumer-friendly. And I think that's very much intentional on Thomas' part.

Doesn't the summoned Djinni strangle a monster if he has nowhere to appear and one space is occupied by a monster?

In theory a single RoDS could be wish chained into an unlimited stream of death.

Some guy tested this out, it seems, it's a few posts down:
http://www.adom.de/forums/showthread...-do-you-wish!-!

Edit: I just realized the poster was ... me, four years ago. Apparently I tested this out?? I really don't remember doing any of that... but if you take my past self's word for it... you can strangle a lot of pretty powerful beings.

That's definitely an interesting thought.

I'd almost want to see this implemented, just to enable such a use. Especially if the djinni started to become annoyed, and decided to curse all of the PC's equipment, or something.

Not that I actually think it should happen. It's just a funny mental image.

I did not think of djinni-strangling. That would definitely make this a game breaker if you can one-hit greater molochs by just using a ring (without getting xp, but still).