I think there are discussions about that, but here it goes. Being raised with NH I'm used to be careful around shop keeper, but the last time, a ratiling warrior poped at my face at the exit of a shop in D4(or so) and disarmed me (Rolf Companions fell on the shop's floor). I picked up the axe, and nothing happened until I left the shop (the shopkeeper didn't block the exist). But as soon as I was out I got some shoplifting achievement (without violence or something) and I got attacked by the shopkeeper and bouncers. I attacked him and got cursed, realized that I wasn't strong enough, and teleported away.
Except when an item is dropped by the player and actually sold, there should not be a "everything that touch the floor is mine" rule imho.
As far as I can tell, this is a bug. Shops shouldn't automatically receive ownership of a player's weapon on disarm, just as they don't suddenly own items dropped by a monster killed within the boundaries of the shop. The only place that does is underwater. The shopkeeper not moving to block the exit also makes both the achievement and sudden response suspect - if the OP had simply forgotten a different item I'm surprised the shopkeeper let them leave.
I like this feature, but it could be a bug that the shopkeeper didn't block the door.
He mentions the shop was on D4 so I wonder if there are some oddities perhaps that the weapon fell in, say, a potion shop (he doesn't say what kind of shop) and it might have conflicting states of owned by the shopkeeper, but unable to be bought/sold by the shopkeeper.
Shopkeepers are sometimes slow to block the door - one could be faster than them, especially with seven league boots.
However I think the disarmed weapon being claimed by the shopkeeper is probably buggy behaviour. It's one of those things we've gotten used to for years without thinking about it, like Khelevaster being invisible.
Shopkeepers are sometimes slow to block the door - one could be faster than them, especially with seven league boots.
However I think the disarmed weapon being claimed by the shopkeeper is probably buggy behaviour. It's one of those things we've gotten used to for years without thinking about it, like Khelevaster being invisible.
Isn't there a specific message that occurs when this happens?
Isn't there a specific message that occurs when this happens?
The OP didn't record one (and I've left a link on their thread to this RFE, just in case), but it's not completely impossible. Still very strange behaviour.
Just had an opportunity to check: the message is 'Leggot, the trollish shopkeeper, hollers: "Thank you!"' - your shopkeeper may vary :)
The fact that there is a specific message suggests to me that this is intended behavior.
What's uncool is that it is inconsistent with the fact that enemy drops are not claimed by the shopkeeper.
Perhaps the shopkeeper could be L/N and that decides their attitude toward accidental drops in their territory.
I'd argue it's not really inconsistent as it is the will of the shopkeeper (which is kind of like inconsistency, but with purpose). He likes your items but he doesn't like items that monsters drop. They have monster guts all over them and no one wants that.
Perhaps the shopkeeper could be L/N and that decides their attitude toward accidental drops in their territory.
That's an awesome idea!
Lawful shopkeeper: never assumes dropped items are his own, perhaps gives haggling bonus and/or discounts for lawfuls.
Neutral shopkeeper: behaves exactly as current shopkeeper does.
Chaotic shopkeeper: assumes all items on the ground dropped by both PCs and monsters are his own, doesn't haggle with lawful adventurers and/or increases prices for them. Would be nice if they could even disarm lawful PC, saying "How dare you enter my shop with a <weapon> in your hands? Didn't you think about robbing me?" :)
+a little buff to currently useless "Know Allignment" spell if shopkeeper allignment is chosen randomly.
Originally Posted by Grey
11-20-2015 07:16 PM
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