Cursed and prayers
issueid=4298 03-20-2016 11:53 AM
Ancient Member
Number of reported issues by Soirana: 41
Cursed and prayers
Cursed prevents prayers if pleased with deity

Apparently cursed somehow blocks off prayers if character is Cursed and below very pleased with his god.

Hitting karmic before founding first altar can be very nasty as emergency players are disabled.

That happens in 1.1.1, so maybe not a bug but would be nice to remove anyway.
Issue Details
Issue Number 4298
Project ADOM (Ancient Domains Of Mystery)
Category All
Status Unconfirmed
Priority 9
Affected Version ADOM r65 (v2.1.0)
Fixed Version (none)
Milestone (none)
Users able to reproduce bug 0
Users unable to reproduce bug 0
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03-21-2016 04:39 PM
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I don't think this is something that could be programmed in by accident. Why shouldn't there be consequences for your actions?

03-22-2016 12:46 PM
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I think the suspicion is that it *is* by accident, via the following mechanism:

You try to pray. The game decides that you probably want to remove "cursed" status, but you don't have enough piety. So it doesn't grant you that prayer. But then it doesn't grant you anything else either. If you have enough piety, the game instead removes your 'cursed' status with that prayer.

03-22-2016 01:30 PM
Ancient Member
My point was that it doesn't make sense. (Clarification instead of fix would be fine).

p.s. Player needs very close to remove piety, prayers com back at very pleased. Personally it does not make sense neither mechanically nor either other way.

03-22-2016 02:32 PM
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Quote Originally Posted by Soirana
My point was that it doesn't make sense.
A penalty on current piety during prayer when cursed makes as much sense to me as blocking crowning when doomed.

03-22-2016 03:35 PM
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Quote Originally Posted by auricbond
A penalty on current piety during prayer when cursed makes as much sense to me as blocking crowning when doomed.
???
cursing blocks crowning too. [If got through equipment, natural one would go away if prayed]

Dooming essentially blocks praying all the time - healing, pickaxes, crowning, Doomed = no prayers. I sort get the idea, doomed no help from gods.

Cursing blocking prayers at low piety level, makes no sense at all for me.

03-22-2016 03:43 PM
Ancient Member
Cursed could increase the piety expenditure of prayers without blocking them. Even doubling them would let a beginner character still get 1 prayer.

Soirana - did it just block it at low piety or did it also increase the cost of prayers? Was the first successful prayer always "remove cursing"? (assuming you had enough piety for a successful prayer)

03-22-2016 03:54 PM
Ancient Member
Quote Originally Posted by Harwin
Cursed could increase the piety expenditure of prayers without blocking them. Even doubling them would let a beginner character still get 1 prayer.

Soirana - did it just block it at low piety or did it also increase the cost of prayers? Was the first successful prayer always "remove cursing"? (assuming you had enough piety for a successful prayer)
Cursed stops interfering with prayers at very pleased... that is holy water level, not the one which allows remove cursing... so, no first successful prayer never removed cursed.

Well, according to my dirty testing methods piety cost is not increased. If you know clean way to test it, well, tell and I check. I don't think this is a proper place for posting AdomBot results.

03-22-2016 04:22 PM
Ancient Member
Quote Originally Posted by Soirana
???
cursing blocks crowning too. [If got through equipment, natural one would go away if prayed]
What has that got to do with anything?

Dooming essentially blocks praying all the time - healing, pickaxes, crowning, Doomed = no prayers. I sort get the idea, doomed no help from gods.

Cursing blocking prayers at low piety level, makes no sense at all for me.
I just explained it.

03-22-2016 04:47 PM
Ancient Member
Quote Originally Posted by Soirana
Cursed stops interfering with prayers at very pleased... that is holy water level, not the one which allows remove cursing... so, no first successful prayer never removed cursed.

Well, according to my dirty testing methods piety cost is not increased. If you know clean way to test it, well, tell and I check. I don't think this is a proper place for posting AdomBot results.
Assuming the multiplier were high enough, # of prayers from say... Inner Peace->Very Pleased. Would have to be donating gold pieces to control amount nicely. Wouldn't tell you about small multipliers because of the inaccuracy in your readings, but would probably catch 1.5x and up.

03-22-2016 04:51 PM
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Quote Originally Posted by Harwin
Assuming the multiplier were high enough, # of prayers from say... Inner Peace->Very Pleased. Would have to be donating gold pieces to control amount nicely. Wouldn't tell you about small multipliers because of the inaccuracy in your readings, but would probably catch 1.5x and up.
I can't see clear method in that. I also know the answer. Not gonna bother.

03-23-2016 12:04 AM
Senior Member
And cursed status from items works the same way. Still cannot believe nobody noticed until now.

The "prayer unheard" cost is the same for cursed and non-cursed chars, tested by counting uses of holy symbol to get to "comfortable" position after prayer.

04-01-2016 12:38 PM
Ancient Member
If I understand this correctly, Soirana is referring to a char in TWL, in league of awesomeness.
I played that char and hit a karmic lizard once. No prayers were used before.
As a result, praying at 1 HP gave the message of prayer unheard.
As far as I know, prayer priority in this case is HP -> then maybe curse removal.
Since prayer was unheard, the conclusion is that cursing blocks even HP prayers, which I would say is an excessive punishment, since dooming does the same.

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