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[Soirana]

Score Tests Part one

Well bellow heavily uses both AdomBot and save reloads if you
 have problems with any of these don't read it.

Well, i generated troll wizzy and backuped.
Exit immediately -1514 points
rechecked two times - same score. So this is basis.

Adomboted all skills at 100. 1690 - magnificent. With 4xmodifiers skills are 6K at best. screw them. [or screw adombot results]...

Adomboted some RoDs and wished for equipment 1614
Reload drop char to wilderness and exit 1514.
Check few other things with wished stuff i get 1614 all time. [one time i thought 100 was due to fire immunity]
May be that is due to increased item knowledge? do same wish for stuff exit 1614. Case solved.

Adomboted all stats to max -- 1514- whatever. So no point in maxing char out.
Load same char, bot in some RoDS wish for strength three times exit chain-3814. Mmmm...
Same with wishing for brass rings[to exclude item knowledge or visit to wildrness square]... 1714 So stats do matter. BAd adombot, bad... [I was warned not to rely heavily on change Bot mades to char, so skills will need some review].

Same wished for scrolls of education - 1714. [okay looks like 100 for item or what?]
Same wished for scrolls of education, wish for scrolls of power - 1814, okay last theory holds
Same wished for scrolls of education, blessed them in bot, used the. Got three new skills at 20/19/12 points
exit- 1717. Very minor change, indeed.


Loaded went to terinyo exited 1544, so locations do matter.
Load, enter terinyo, found girl, enter puupy cave, exit-1574, so looks like 30points for DL1 location just as formula says.

Load bot do some xp [500] exit - 1514? Huh
Load do to village go to PC kill some mobs 252xp - exit 1693 -1574 119 points huh? [too much but i picked few things and probably eat identify something...]
Same[242xp] + bot 310 more xp-- 1592- that is arround 18extra points for 300xp. May be i was not carefull enough in item detection, but looks like will need carefull testing.

Load same char toggle pem invis --- 2514 1K for intrinsic
Load same, bot on invis, go to village, talk with elder, go to bandit village, talk with Hotz, go to VD4 [botted stairs so i avoided all items, also changed char satiation via bot instead of eating], Back up.
Use this one for a while:
Exit chain - 2814--300 total somewhat does not match but i did not checked exact DL, looks like all from visited places
Kill healer 132xp -- exit---2824--- well xp finally matches more or less...
same Adombot xp out 2824 okay Adombot xp and score is not working....
Same go to speak with hotz 2824
Same+speak with doc [char with healing so no other modifiers] 2824. Fair enough it is score free quest.

Done for a while. Although if uyou have any fancy ideas drop them I will try testing them.

[Grey]

Y'know it can be worth getting a good first kill for Filk just so you can open up the EM quest and kill him for some more xp.

Anyway, interesting test results. I myself found that skills gave such a small amount they couldn't be measured properly in my limited testing (I wasn't using ADOMBot). xp is hard to test to 100% axccuracy, because things like levels and resources used get in the way. However it is dominant enough that killing a wished for AKW or shambling mound with a L50 char should give decent results.

[gut]

> I was warned not to rely heavily on change Bot mades to char,

Indeed. If memory serves, I have toggled corruptions such
as 'unholy aura', yet never scared anyone. You will probably
have to use more natural means of testing corruptions as
well.

[Soirana]

Short continuation aka episode 0.5

Okay, my thoughts on test results:
skills - not worth bothering
stats - looks like doing some dent, but not too much
levels visited - if i understand correct and visiting extra DL30 place gives 3K which later goes through x4 that is 12K. Maybe places like rift, minotaur maze and scintilanting cave are worth?
items worn - damn nothing
intrinsic through items - nothing
xp - bad thing is i can't make exact evaluation, so i won't feel there my mark is. Sniff. mul;tiplies needs by 1.5 avoid screw.
Items - surprisingly good 4x100 per one? IIRC, thinks like scuragari of returning are listed as diferent entries in item memmory. Well, looks like i will have drag shitloads off stuff into shop. Well, i am natural hoarder [maybe i should say dragonblooded?] so no problem.

Talent choices:
I think i will skip speed altogether and avoid quickling corpses like plague. Also picking all these 5% from two talents might be worth something if i need something like 250-300mln. I mean it is still 10-15mln cut.

On char:
well, i got healing from Jharod, killed him, got quest for sheriff, killed hotz and memorrized i could
have gotten my reward... Well, i value stethoscope quite highly and i killed cow of healing pots...

Well, i packed gear and went for Caverns of Chaos. [shopped a bit on potions on Hotz money]

D1-tension- minor undead. Pick they pockets and crack their skulls.
d3- random mob on Arena level drops anvil. I was afraid to leave it, so foundd goblin, named it, played with him untill he picked the thing and hold me while i unloaded trash on D2, later i pput anvil also on D2 [know it is boring to read, but i need to have my notes in one place]

back to d3: Arena had one more surprise - there was no cooked lizards so i bought some bats

D6-big room and i immediately saw downstairs and went down
D7-vault [untouched] and i shot down delven wizard before any spider nonsense
I also found river and vault on my side, swimming time, by swimming i found grey altar in da middle of water.
I mean completely surrounded by river. never saw such thing.

d8-si level, get stone block on head, tension appears to be another party of undead.

d9-wand shop with troll shopkeeper. Well, solved some mine problems - about five wands of door creation, few trap creation, two wands of cold, empty fireball wand... Bought that could [not much but with trap creation i can earn a bit in Arena]

d10- And where is dwarftown?
d11- finally i found it.
Shop had bracers of toughness, pot of balance [more or less PoGA at moment], magic map scroll [for DH i think].
and I got my quest - clay golem. Well, seen worse.


no loads of items as no major improvements/loses.

To Darren:
Yeap, setting first kill would have been good. Now i will need to seek my number of kobolds. ID100+ is not very funny place...

[JellySlayer]

Whether you want to use the good/great learner talents warrants a bit of consideration. Specifically, it looks like the "Good learner" 2% xp boosting talent is bugged. As a test, I had an adombotted hurthling wizard kill the same AKW with no talents, good learner, and good learner + great learner. The results:

No xp talents: 687058 xp
Good learner: 998936 xp
Great learner: 811809 xp

Assuming this is reasonably accurate, good learner gives ~1.4x as much experience as having no xp talents, and good + great learner gives ~1.2x as much experience as having no xp talents. I can't guarentee these values are anywhere near exact, but it certainly seems that it is considerably better to take good learner alone rather than both talents. It also seems fairly clear that neither talent functions as written.

I have heard that the effects of the massive good learner xp boost may wear off after some time, but I haven't tested to confirm this.

[Grey]

Yeah, good learner gives an extra 50% or so - been noticed by many (including myself - I regularly use it for speedruns to increase the rewards from bugville at the start). However I've also noticed that it seems to wear off after some time, but I really can't quantify that properly. Could be wrong.

[Soirana]

so in theory:
I get all i need [after casino restocking]
Create ice island in barbarian glade or just put water breathing helmet on
Slow down as much as possible
Wish for emperor moloch
Kill stuff, level up, pick that talent...
Keep killing and getting xp....


Don't know ID dive sounds more proper than 20+ casino restocks and wishing abuse...

[vogonpoet]

A man walks up a hill. When reaching the top he sees a man getting out of an elevator. Man says: "dude, you're not doing it right", to which the man with the elevator replies: "yes I am, my way is just bit easier and less time-consuming". Behind them a man on a donkey emerges and asks: "what about me, am I in the right?". The first man thinks about it and says: "well, I guess you're alright, but I still disapprove a bit of your means". Yet again a man emerges, this time it's a man in car: "what about me, don't tell me I drove up here for nothing?" First man says: "well, it's on the very edge, but I guess it is acceptable". The man with the elevator gets angry and asks: "why, if that's alright, then I can see no harm in my way either - a car is just a few minutes faster than my elevator". First man replies: "yes, but it's also about the work you put into it". The man with the donkey cuts in and says: "well, I didn't put much work into it, I just sat on my donkey". Bickering ensues until they are interrupted by a man lying at their feet. He breathes heavily and seems utterly tired. The men ask him if he is alright, to which the man replies: "I just crawled up this hill on all four; hogtied, naked and blinfolded, and I think you're all bloody cheaters!"

(found here)

Piety Overflow is a bug, therefore abuse of overflow clearly very scummy.
Where does scumming for XP become too scummy? Discuss .

In this case Soirana, I would say "No wishes for XP = muchos style points".

[Soirana]

Next short episode in which i probably screwed things a bit.


Well, i started by realising that i actually want to kill cats in this game.

When i used fund raising to get enough wands. I miscounted and activated 20th fight. Well, got away with tp trap...

I used china wall approach sealing of 2/3 of right side in big room and leaving me some herbs to play. I was short on keys and hit lv 13 [also found my clay golem] so decided to visit pyramid for lock picks...

Upon enetering Arena level Spartakius the minotaur appears next to me...

Well, i saved since i need to test few variants of how this can unfold. One thing i ma pretty sure tpting into Arena is prohibited...

[Grey]

Haha, I haven't heard of that happening before... Will be intersted to hear the results.