Originally Posted by
fazisi
Humans, while not God, are part of the "intelligent design" idea. I sadly haven't seen a microprocessor created in the wild by continental plates rubbing up against each other then having it struck by lightning to solve pi to the 189332154634523762342 decimal.
Also, if there are physical laws governing what objects may act, doesn't that remove the chaos and create order?
Give me a coherent definition of what you think chaos and order are, and we'll move on from there.
Originally Posted by
fazisi
Creationists argue that the presence of God and his capabilities are far far beyond human understanding.
This isn't an argument for creation.
Originally Posted by
fazisi
And also, I completely agree with Darwin about survival of the fittest. Within a species and in relation to other species, the fittest will survive. However, just because you are the biggest and baddest monkey with the rockingest genes on the planet and you get all the babes you could ever want doesn't mean that you will ever have an offspring that will turn into a human. Nor if you are the most gimped monkey who has less hair than all your brothers and sisters but a bulging cranium and happen to get with your inbred aunt/cousin/daugther monkey who had been exposed to too many UV rays from suntanning on the savannah will you ever produce a human. Micro evolution I'm with 100%. Macro evolution is retarded.
There's no such thing as microevolution or macroevolution. These are terms invented by creationists. There is only evolution. Again, the problem here is the timescale. A monkey can't spontaneously turn into a human over a single generation--this would in fact disprove evolution. But we've certainly seen the emergence of new species from existing ones, and we've seen the evolution of beneficial traits over a relatively trivial number of generations of bacteria.
Originally Posted by
gut
> your computer came about from disorder
Nope. I wasn't saying order comes only from 100% order, but
rather that it can't come from 100% chaos.
What does it mean for an object to have 100% order or 100% chaos? How are you defining these terms?
Originally Posted by
gut
> If 'order does not come from choas' were a physical law,
> it would apply to everything we do. We wouldn't be able to
> build or create anything,
An idea may be considered chaotic, but it can't happen without
a brain (a rather pinacle of order).
Why is an idea chaotic? Why is a brain orderly? How can a chaotic idea come from an orderly brain?
Originally Posted by
gut
Don't know, but I'm not reaching for a bar that high. I'll
happily settle for a tree being considered more orderly than
an instance of 'nothing' exploding... unless it was a very
orderly explosion of nothing, that is.
Conveniently enough, the Big Bang has nothing to do with evolutionary theory.
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