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    The first quote is not from me, but from littlebrather.

    > No, but "science" basically means "make as few assumptions you can't prove as possible".
    Ok, but that's not the only difference. The exact sciences are mainly concerned with accurate description of what and when and how, rather than why. It does not try to address questions like:

    - what are we here for?
    - what should we do?
    - why is there suffering?

    ..etc

    Religion, on the other hand, is primarily about these questions. I'd say that whether or not there is a God is not even the most important question in religion, the questions above are more important.

    Philosophy touches the borderline between science and religion. Mathematics is an interesting case since it deals with stuff that does not exist (eg, numbers). At least I've never seen a number in everyday life. Well, I did sometimes see three oranges for example, but you still need to divide that by orange to get three.

    All of this is not to say that I think we should believe the bible.
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    I am a creationist and I like to have sex with animals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adom View Post
    I am a creationist and I like to have sex with animals.
    I don't see a problem there - humans are animals too (although some dispute this).

    But let's say you liked having sex with non-human animals (who knows? it's the adom forums after all), what does this have to do with creationism? Since theres no way you two (?) can produce viable offspring I do not see how this has anything to do with creationism/evolutionism.

    EDIT: I'm not sure if what I said makes the slightest sense. It's past 1AM and I don't feel like thinking right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by grobblewobble View Post
    The first quote is not from me, but from littlebrather.

    > No, but "science" basically means "make as few assumptions you can't prove as possible".
    Ok, but that's not the only difference. The exact sciences are mainly concerned with accurate description of what and when and how, rather than why. It does not try to address questions like:

    - what are we here for?
    - what should we do?
    - why is there suffering?

    ..etc

    Religion, on the other hand, is primarily about these questions. I'd say that whether or not there is a God is not even the most important question in religion, the questions above are more important.

    Philosophy touches the borderline between science and religion. Mathematics is an interesting case since it deals with stuff that does not exist (eg, numbers). At least I've never seen a number in everyday life. Well, I did sometimes see three oranges for example, but you still need to divide that by orange to get three.

    All of this is not to say that I think we should believe the bible.
    Or "how did we get here"?

    Religion: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And I am telling you, he told me, so it must be true."
    Science: well we don't know for sure how exactly the universe began, we have this theory which seems plausible because of 1./2./3....




    Edit: Or "why is this my 700th post?" Or "why does it matter?"
    [Note: the last question is the religious version. The sciency question would be "does it matter?", because clearly it doesn't.]
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    Why is it you think I don't know any atheists? I've known scores. I once was one as far as that goes. And again if thier is a God then one wouod expect that said God's notion of morality would permeate the universe he created.

    Religion - God did it through means we can not at this point in time fully comprehend.

    Science - We do not know how the universe came to be but these are some possibilities.

    Atheist - We don't know how the universe came to be but it just couldn't have been God. because we don't want it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garyd View Post
    Why is it you think I don't know any atheists? I've known scores. I once was one as far as that goes. And again if thier is a God then one wouod expect that said God's notion of morality would permeate the universe he created.
    As I've illustrated earlier in the thread, God's notion of morality is pretty twisted. His morality clearly doesn't permeate the universe all that well, because He apparently had to destroy all of mankind with a flood because He didn't like the way we're behaving.

    Different cultures have different moralities. Many of them are not remotely consistent with Judeo-Christian belief systems. The stuff that everyone does agree on can be plausibly explained by evolutionary theory without invoking the need for a source of morality.

    Quote Originally Posted by garyd View Post
    Religion - God did it through means we can not at this point in time fully comprehend.

    Science - We do not know how the universe came to be but these are some possibilities.

    Atheist - We don't know how the universe came to be but it just couldn't have been God. because we don't want it to be.
    Religion - We have no proof God exists, but we believe it anyway.

    Science - We have no interest in God because we can't measure Him or anything that He's ever done.

    Atheist - We have no proof God exists, and thus choose not to believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JellySlayer View Post
    He apparently had to destroy all of mankind with a flood because He didn't like the way we're behaving.
    So God's a mass murderer!
    Now that I think of it... actually fits pretty well.

    Will anyone please think of the children and forbid such literature of unparalleled violence?
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    > I like to have sex with animals

    the real fun begins when animals force sex on humans

    > Science: well we don't know for sure

    if scientists actually talked like that, I'd take them more seriously
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    Atheist - We have no proof God exists, and thus choose not to believe it.
    That is agnostic atheism. Atheism doesn't have to be agnostic. I suspect garyd might have had to deal with scores of very non-agnostic atheists, i. e. those who believe that there is proof against the existence of a God. Whether atheist or theist, no one likes people presenting their opinions or beliefs as facts, then shoving them down other's throats.

    A link related to the topic at hand: 10 Things Christians and Atheists Can (And Must) Agree On
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    followed that link, disagreed with this

    > 5. Your Point of View is Legitimately Offensive to Them
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    Quote Originally Posted by gut View Post
    followed that link, disagreed with this

    > 5. Your Point of View is Legitimately Offensive to Them
    True. I mean, god either exists or he doesn't, one way or another, one of us (them) is wrong.

    Also:

    > 3. In Everyday Life, You're Not That Different.
    Not everyone, no, but some religious folks are very much unlike me. I think I mentioned it somewhere in an earlier post, some man recently spammed me and other people in front of a shopping center. I'd never do that. So thats an extreme difference right there.

    > When your tooth hurts, you don't assume it's possessed by demons.
    Today now. Some hundred years earlier? Not that unlikely.

    > 4. There Are Good People on Both Sides
    What an irrelevant point. Its about right and wrong, not good and bad.

    > 8. Focusing on Negative Examples Makes You Stupid
    Focusing on positive examples will generall not help your cause either.
    "Religion is bad because they say they

    > 9. Both Sides Have Brought Good to the Table
    I'd say atheists have likely brought less bad things to the table. Think crusades.
    Of course it's unfair - that's the whole point.

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