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    Default The early-midgame stall

    Hi.

    Is there any way to avoid the grinding at this point in the game? Namely, it's when you've done the earliest quests and gotten to the main dungeon and started the dwarf quests, but you're not equipped enough to take on the Animated Forest yet (I notice I seem to get killed a lot there unless I'm higher-level AND with more and the first dwarf quest is a somewhat hard-to-find monster (in this particular case, it's green slime). It seems you have to wait and grind for more equipment, the monster, or both. What do you usually do at this point in the game?

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    DV/PV: 27/12   H: 116(141)    P: 16(16)      Exp: 12/65155      D: 8  Sp: 106
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    Shyla    St:22  Le:11  Wi:12  Dx:16  To:25  Ch: 8  Ap:12  Ma: 7  Pe:16  N+
    DV/PV: 27/12   H: 116(141)   P: 16(16)   Exp: 12/65155   M: 22508
    
    
    
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                                Background Information
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    Name: Shyla               Race: female Human        Class: Barbarian
    Eye color: brown          Hair color: brown         Complexion: tanned
    Height: 5'3"              Weight: 127 pounds
    Age: 24 (grown-up)
    Star sign: Dragon         Birthday: 29/Dragon (day 179 of the year)
    
    YOUR HISTORY:
            Your father was an accomplished hunter and warrior. You were
     well-respected and comparatively wealthy.
            As a child you were very active and imitated the hunters and
     warriors of your tribe at all opportunities.
            During your youth you traveled to nearby tribes and traded with
     them. You met many strangers and learned a lot about the outside world.
            As a young adult your family was killed in a raid. You became
     embittered and filled with the desire for revenge.
            At the age of 24 you left your tribe.
    
    
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                                    Weapon Skills
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    Melee weapon           Lvl   Hit   Dam   DV   Level          Required marks
    ---------------------  ---   ---   ---   --   -------------  --------------
    Unarmed fighting         3    +2    +1   +0   basic                54
    Daggers & knives         0    +0    +0   +0   unskilled            14
    Clubs & hammers          0    +0    +0   +0   unskilled            14
    Maces & flails           0    +0    +0   +0   unskilled            14
    Swords                   8    +6    +4   +2   excellent            516
    Axes                     0    +0    +0   +0   unskilled            14
    Whips                    0    +0    +0   +0   unskilled            14
    Pole arms                4    +4    +1   +3   skilled              85
    Twohanded weapons        5    +4    +6   +1   skilled              98
    Staves                   0    +0    +0   +0   unskilled            14
    
    Missile weapon         Lvl   Hit   Dam   Ra   Level          Required marks
    ---------------------  ---   ---   ---   --   -------------  --------------
    Slings                   0    +0    +0   +0   unskilled            7
    Bows                     4    +8    +6   +1   skilled              9
    Crossbows                0    +0    +0   +0   unskilled            7
    Thrown axes & hammers    0    +0    +0   +0   unskilled            7
    Thrown daggers           0    +0    +0   +0   unskilled            7
    Thrown rocks & clubs     3    +6    +4   +1   basic                15
    Thrown spears            0    +0    +0   +0   unskilled            7
    Boomerangs & scurgari    0    +0    +0   +0   unskilled            6
    
    Shields                Lvl   DV               Level          Required marks
    ---------------------  ---   ---              -------------  --------------
    Shields                  3    +6              basic                59
    
    
    Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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    Right hand: +27 bonus to hit, 1d8+7 damage
    
    
    Damage caused with your missile weapons:
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    Ammunition: 2, base range: 4, +18 bonus to hit, 1d4+11 damage
    
    
    
    
    
    
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      Athletics ................ 92    (superb)       [+2d4]
      Climbing ................. 63    (good)         [+3d4]
      Detect traps ............. 17    (mediocre)     [+4d4]
      Dodge ....................100    (superb)       [+2d4]
      First aid ................ 65    (good)         [+3d3]
      Food preservation ........ 34    (fair)         [+3d5]
      Haggling ................. 28    (mediocre)     [+3d3]
      Healing .................. 76    (great)        [+1d3]
      Herbalism ................ 30    (mediocre)     [+4d4]
      Listening ................ 49    (fair)         [+4d4]
      Pick pockets ............. 33    (fair)         [+2d4]
      Stealth .................. 80    (great)        [+1d5]
      Survival ................. 54    (good)         [+4d4]
      Swimming ................. 48    (fair)         [+3d5]
      Two weapon combat ........ 36    (fair)         [+4d5]
      Woodcraft ................ 14    (mediocre)     [+4d5]
    
    
    
    
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    Total weight: 1957 stones                Carrying capacity: 2700 stones
    
    Head          : -
    Neck          : rusty amulet of luck                                   [8s]
    Body          : mithril chain mail (-1, -3) [-2, +7]                 [320s]
    Girdle        : -
    Cloak         : cloak of defense [+2, +0]                             [20s]
    Right Hand    : stone spear (+1, 1d8)                                [120s]
    Left Hand     : rusty medium shield [+3, +1]                         [100s]
    Right Ring    : -
    Left Ring     : -
    Bracers       : -
    Gauntlets     : -
    Boots         : rusty iron boots [-1, +1]                            [120s]
    Missile Weapon: -
    Missiles      : heap of 2 rocks (+0, 1d4)                             [10s]
    Tool          : -
    
    
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    Total weight: 1259 stones   Carrying capacity: 2700 stones
    
    Gauntlets ('[')
       thick gauntlets                                                    [15s]
    Necklaces (''')
       heap of 2 glass amulets                                             [6s]
       gray amulet                                                         [3s]
       coral necklace                                                      [2s]
    One-handed weapons ('(')
       dagger (+2, 1d4)                                                   [10s]
       broadsword (+0, 1d7+1)                                             [80s]
    Two-handed weapons ('(')
       two-handed sword (+4, 3d5+3) [-1, +0]                             [100s]
    Missile weapons ('}')
       short bow (+3, +0)                                                 [20s]
       sling                                                               [3s]
       sling                                                               [3s]
    Missiles ('*')
       heap of 4 rocks (+0, 1d4)                                          [20s]
       heap of 7 rocks (+1, 1d4)                                          [35s]
       heap of 14 rocks                                                   [70s]
       heap of 3 rocks                                                    [15s]
       rock                                                                [5s]
       arrow                                                               [2s]
       arrow                                                               [2s]
    Tools (']')
       heap of 2 torches                                                  [20s]
       box with flint and steel (24)                                       [5s]
       tinderbox (5)                                                       [3s]
       heap of 2 small keys                                                [2s]
       triangular key                                                      [1s]
       square key                                                          [1s]
       hexagonal key                                                       [1s]
       strange item                                                       [10s]
    Rings ('=')
       adamantium ring                                                     [1s]
       fire opal ring                                                      [1s]
       wooden ring                                                         [1s]
       electrum ring                                                       [1s]
       ruby ring                                                           [1s]
    Wands ('\')
       purple wand                                                         [3s]
       iron wand                                                           [4s]
       glass wand                                                          [3s]
       pine wand                                                           [3s]
       oak wand                                                            [3s]
       pine wand                                                           [3s]
       teak wand                                                           [3s]
    Potions ('!')
       heap of 2 potions of carrot juice                                   [8s]
       heap of 4 rusty potions                                            [16s]
       heap of 2 potions of healing                                        [8s]
       heap of 3 clear potions                                            [12s]
       heap of 2 potions of booze                                          [8s]
       bright potion                                                       [2s]
       heap of 2 blood red potions                                         [4s]
       clotted potion                                                      [4s]
       heap of 6 potions of holy water                                    [24s]
       thin potion                                                         [2s]
       potion of booze                                                     [4s]
       light yellow potion                                                 [4s]
       sparkling potion                                                    [4s]
       murky potion                                                        [4s]
       rusty potion                                                        [4s]
       amber potion                                                        [2s]
    Scrolls ('?')
       scroll labeled "ENO OWT EERHT"                                      [2s]
       scribbled scroll                                                    [2s]
       scroll labeled "ECNETOPINMO"                                        [2s]
       heap of 5 scrolls labeled "KTTDLwrgt"                              [10s]
       heap of 2 scrolls labeled "IAZNAB"                                  [4s]
       heap of 2 scrolls labeled "ABABILA"                                 [4s]
       heap of 2 scrolls labeled "DOGO FUTSF"                              [4s]
       heap of 2 scrolls labeled "FROTZ"                                   [4s]
       heap of 2 scrolls labeled "FPMAM"                                   [4s]
       scroll labeled "KTTdLwrgt"                                          [2s]
       scroll labeled "ZTORF"                                              [2s]
       scroll labeled "DOGO FUTSF"                                         [2s]
       scroll labeled "YIKES"                                              [2s]
    Food ('%')
       heap of 4 iron rations                                            [400s]
       melon                                                              [20s]
       piece of fresh meat                                                [20s]
       heap of 2 fortune cookies                                           [6s]
       heap of 2 loaves of bread                                          [80s]
       hurthling cake                                                     [30s]
       heap of 3 cooked lizards                                            [9s]
       loaf of hurthling bread                                            [30s]
       heap of 3 morgia roots                                              [6s]
       strange herb                                                        [2s]
       heap of 3 strange herbs                                             [6s]
       heap of 2 strange herbs                                             [4s]
       heap of 2 strange herbs                                             [4s]
       heap of 2 cooked lizards                                            [6s]
       heap of 5 blessed cooked lizards                                   [15s]
    Valuables ('$')
       544 gold pieces                                                     [5s]
    Gems ('*')
       green gem                                                           [1s]
    
    
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                                   Killed Monsters
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    1002 monsters perished under her attacks.
    
    The following monsters were vanquished:
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                                    Achievements
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    She survived for 0 years, 31 days, 3 hours, 9 minutes and 50 seconds (22508
    turns).
    Shyla visited 27 places.
    Her strength score was modified by +1 during her career.
    Her willpower score was modified by +2 during her career.
    Her dexterity score was modified by +2 during her career.
    Her toughness score was modified by +2 during her career.
    Her appearance score was modified by +2 during her career.
    Her perception score was modified by +1 during her career.
    She was a member of the thieves guild.
    
    
    
    
    
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    Do the pyramid if you haven't already. Get teleport control and the guaranteed wand from the VDD- oh wait, this is pr7. Well, try to do the Griffyard afterwards, maybe?

    PS: your weapon and shield really could use an upgrade.
    Last edited by anon123; 12-28-2012 at 04:14 AM.
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    Well, I'm still level 12, so I have to grind out a little more (maybe explore the remaining COC levels above the DH/AF split zone?) to get to 13 and thus have the pyramid ready?

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    No b/u/c status on items? Get your god on your side, and use the DT altar.
    Hmm. Ok, some are converted - you should drop all your stuff there, get it all checked.
    :d $

    Also use the morgia to bump your WI, and use herbalism in big room to get your dex up. You will get some level there too, maybe your quest monster too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike3 View Post
    Is there any way to avoid the grinding at this point in the game? Namely, it's when you've done the earliest quests and gotten to the main dungeon and started the dwarf quests, but you're not equipped enough to take on the Animated Forest yet
    At that point I usually do the Griff quest, which takes you to level 13. Then pyramid next. If you'd like to avoid grinding, my advice would be to play a race / class combination with good starting stats. Maybe try orc, dwarf or drakeling barbarian instead of human?
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    I'm such a RP nerd, I never to the Griffyard quest before my character has actually seen the portal. :-) Except sometimes with dwarf characters, for whom I feel I can justify knowing about it.

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    Apart from choosing a strong r/c combination, this situation is usually avoided if you start the game in the UD, simply because that's one more dungeon. You usually get to level 13 this way before you even enter the CoC. It also helps that the UD has high quality drops (if you truly have found nothing better than that shield, that is some rotten luck). Of course, not all characters will live through that, but at the very least it's exciting!
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    also, running with your 2HS will generally drop enemies faster, I don't see a reason for going spear'n'shield combo with a barbarian - it's not a defensive class

    and the best defense is a good offense, most often

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenMathiesen View Post
    I'm such a RP nerd, I never to the Griffyard quest before my character has actually seen the portal. :-) Except sometimes with dwarf characters, for whom I feel I can justify knowing about it.
    The game I'm currently playing, I tried to find out about Thrundarr's quest as if I'm unspoiled. Suffice it to say I couldn't.
    I know there is some question where he says to ask about quests, but couldn't get it.
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    I'm pretty sure there's a rumor along the lines of "They say the ancient dwarf knows a lot about quests". But I played for a long time ignoring him completely. :-)

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