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Thread: Tackling the new quests & maps for ADOM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoobnahr View Post
    ... both of which he avoided because I just wanted a win... its been awhile.

    ...In retrospect it is possible that I would have received more points for the lower turncount than I did for the increased spell knowledge.

    Again, that is part of the risk of diving faster.

    It also seems to me that with the experience curve calibrated the way it is, that the development team feels the same way.

    Conversely, characters who dive as fast as they can being lower level when they reach the bottom seems like an appropriate and intended feature.

    I would say that if the leveling curve should be adjusted at all it should be in the midgame, getting from level 20 to level 30 seems to take about half of my playtime for a successful character
    I cut that block of text into something I can reference.

    Well, the same argument goes for diving faster. You can explore kill some stuff for like2-33k xp per head find few pots of cure poison and loafs of bread... or you can focus on stuff which matters and win in half the time. Somehow second option is more interesting.

    You need to get under 80k turns in order to get bonus score from low turncount. I have my reservations of getting to lv50 (through exploration) in that timeframe.

    I also have severe doubts anyone on dev team plays a lot of late game (post Casino).

    Maybe you should count how many unique levels CoC has up to graveayard (~D18) and how many in the rest 32 levels - especially since wall of flames and EG is just fancy staircases and bunnies is one zap of wand digging down. So, I don't know about xp, but quest and interest curve is rather poor.

    Problem with 20>30 is that after dealing with ToeF (lated teens/early twenties for healthy playstyles) the next big chunk of xp is probably Earth temple, so you transverse ~20 dungeon levels devioded of interesting stuff to do.

    p.s. regarding EG - IIRC, I did it ~R70 -- first few are passable xp gains (somewhat comparable to greater moloch value) but they fall off very quickly. Once you are at quarter of initial value they are not really worth killing for their threat level (I think i needed dozen for next level up -- ~lv30 as troll)
    So far rolled 15 casters with RoDS and shamelessly killed them within 200 turns. For eternium glory!
    (after 15 I stopped counting...)

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    This makes me want a juicier late game...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gdo View Post
    This makes me want a juicier late game...
    really says it all...

    and is the point of the thread...

    seems like the lower CoC could use a high exp quest... just using xp "pinatas" as a quest reward for a few short but dangerous late game quests would seem to be an agreeable solution...
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    It would seem the rolf quest addresses a significant part of the late game (good luck killing the stone dragon king sub level 30)

    What other areas seem like they could use some more content?

    Currently i wouldn't mind quests in

    1) A chaotic alternative to Thundarr. Similar level rewards but truly a chaotic path through the game.
    2) Something post winning the game to "craft" your ending. So instead of just ending as the "king of all the elves" some kind of mechanism to really set what happens post game
    3) More in the ice-queen level range. Ice queen is OK but if you luck out and get a GUV it doesn't give you the level boost you would normally get from clearing out a GUV.
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    Gnome Assassin / Dwarven Paladin (ULE) / Ratling Duelist (UNE) / High Elf Archer / Gnomish Wizard x ~5 / Gray Elven Wizard (UCG) - Archmage / Gnomish Weaponsmith / Grey Elf Elementalist / Dwarven Priest / Trollish Barbarian / Drakling Farmer / Mist Elf Wizard / Human Beastfighter / Ratling Archer (UNE) / Gnomish Mindcrafter

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    Rolf also hints about another quest. Any idea on whether that can be received and how?
    Also, how am I supposed to find a volcano anywhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harkila View Post
    Rolf also hints about another quest. Any idea on whether that can be received and how?
    Also, how am I supposed to find a volcano anywhere?

    alot of NPCs hint about additional quests (ice queen, rolf, kherab) etc. It never seems to yield much
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    Gnome Assassin / Dwarven Paladin (ULE) / Ratling Duelist (UNE) / High Elf Archer / Gnomish Wizard x ~5 / Gray Elven Wizard (UCG) - Archmage / Gnomish Weaponsmith / Grey Elf Elementalist / Dwarven Priest / Trollish Barbarian / Drakling Farmer / Mist Elf Wizard / Human Beastfighter / Ratling Archer (UNE) / Gnomish Mindcrafter

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