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Thread: Crit City - Mimic Difficulty

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    Default Crit City - Mimic Difficulty

    So I just lost a Level 20 Trollish Paladin on the Mana Temple to a Master Mimic. It's not all that surprising. They are often the death of late game characters. Here's the thing: this character had intrinsic paralyzation resistance . I lost the character in one turn, from 300 health! The post-mortem read out had like pretty much only crits and not a single miss. DV ~40, PV about the same.

    Perhaps it's because it was super experienced, being on the Mana Temple and all, and maybe it's just the RNG being an ass. Seriously, though, I was surprised.

    I'm not sure if anything needs to be changed but I think that maybe the difficulty of mimics needs to be tuned down a bit? The ability to do the above plus paralyze seems excessive.
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    Master Mimics are pretty lethal. Was your DV ~40 before getting paralyzed or while paralyzed? Myself always try to take them down at range, if un-avoidable remain in coward tactic and use magic. If no magic is available use darkness, at least then it won't hit you every turn. I'm so scared of them I even cast darkness before I use combat magic or wands.
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    I'm pretty sure that I wasn't paralyzed at all. I loaded the .flg (and have since deleted it) and it wasn't listed on my status bar. Maybe I was for a second? And I died after it wore off? I had the intrinsic resistance, can they go through that?

    I'm not sure how many attacks they get in one turn but it seemed like a lot. Too many but then again things get lots of attacks when they are that far down.
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    Resistances only make you resistant, not immune.

    Were you perhaps fighting the Archmage already and had the Frozen Blood corruption? He does have a cold attack that can slow a character down with that corruption.
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    No. I hadn't even dug into it yet. My speed was 120s I believe. Everything was normal, hunky dory, I was a little fatalistic about my prospects against Nurgy (as I didn't have confusion resistance) but I was at least planning on getting there... I think it was just that the monster managed to get so many crits in. Does anyone know what the crit mechanic is? Or how many attacks a master mimic is supposed to get (I killed one earlier in the Casino, no problem). Or how much damage they do or whether they by-pass PV?

    I know that resistance doesn't mean immunity but you'd think it wouldn't do 300 damage without giving me a chance to run given that I did have the resistance.
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    Screenshot (72).png

    Okay lets look at possibilities: Is it possible that it was damaged and thus fighting to the death in a blind rage? Was your character doomed?
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    Master mimics hit really hard and it probably didn't help that it was extremely leveled. We really need a message log to be able to tell you anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stingray1 View Post
    Resistances only make you resistant, not immune.
    Is this true for non-elemental stuff? Like, -Para is immune to paralyzation...not resistant. I'm not sure what you mean here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirTheta View Post
    Master mimics hit really hard and it probably didn't help that it was extremely leveled. We really need a message log to be able to tell you anything.

    Is this true for non-elemental stuff? Like, -Para is immune to paralyzation...not resistant. I'm not sure what you mean here?
    A character with -conf can get confused, a character with -death can get damaged by deathrays, a character with -para, I'm not recalling whether I've been paralyzed while having this intrinsic. I'll see if I can do a test next time I get the opportunity. You may have a good point though.

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    I have never been paralyzed with resistance despite testing somethings, so I think it's practical immunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stingray1 View Post

    Okay lets look at possibilities: Is it possible that it was damaged and thus fighting to the death in a blind rage? Was your character doomed?
    Not doomed. But no +Luck because I punched a karmic and forgot to re-up and wasn't wearing the ahnk. Could be blind-rage... I think I hit it?

    Didn't delete the .flg but don't have the words that accompanied the death. As you can see it does not say paralyzed.

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    B             St:32  Le: 3  Wi:12  Dx:11  To:31  Ch: 8  Ap: 4  Ma:11  Pe:17 N=
    DV/PV: 44/32   H: -16(300)    P: 53(53)      Exp: 20/3113284    MT    Sp: 118
    Blessed Satiated
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                                      Inventory
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    Total weight: 5242 stones                Carrying capacity: 8675 stones
    
    Head          : uncursed mithril cap (+1, +1) [+0, +2]                [40s]
    Neck          : blessed necklace of rapid healing                      [2s]
    Body          : uncursed red dragon scale mail (-1, -4) [-1, +13]    [220s]
    Girdle        : blessed girdle of carrying [+0, +0]                   [15s]
    Cloak         : -
    Right Hand    : blessed holy avenger "Justifier" (+4, 3d5+10) [+6, +2][60s]
    Left Hand     : uncursed large eternium shield (+1) [+11, +5]         [54s]
    Right Ring    : uncursed ring of regeneration                          [1s]
    Left Ring     : blessed ring of ice                                    [1s]
    Bracers       : -
    Gauntlets     : uncursed thick gauntlets (-1, -2) [+0, +1]            [15s]
    Boots         : blessed mithril boots [-1, +2]                        [96s]
    Missile Weapon: -
    Missiles      : bundle of 2 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6+3)                [4s]
    Tool          : uncursed Chaos Orb of Elemental Earth {To+10}        [100s]
    
    
    
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                                    Weapon Skills
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    Melee weapon           Lvl   Hit   Dam   DV   Level          Required marks
    ---------------------  ---   ---   ---   --   -------------  --------------
    Swords                  12   +12    +8   +4   Mastery              2789
    
    
    Shields                Lvl   DV               Level          Required marks
    ---------------------  ---   ---              -------------  --------------
    Shields                  9   +18              excellent            949
    
    
    Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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    Right hand: +58 bonus to hit, 3d5+33 damage
    
    
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                                       Skills
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      Athletics ................100    (superb)       [+2d4]
      Bridge building .......... 10    (poor)         [+3d5] (mr)
      Climbing ................. 58    (good)         [+3d3]
      Concentration ............ 98    (superb)       [+2d4]
      Dodge .................... 70    (good)         [+1d5]
      First aid ................ 32    (fair)         [+3d5]
      Food preservation ........ 67    (good)         [+1d5]
      Gemology ................. 20    (mediocre)     [+2d4]
      Haggling ................. 27    (mediocre)     [+3d4]
      Healing ..................100    (superb)       [+1d5]
      Listening ................ 76    (great)        [+3d4]
      Literacy ................. 66    (good)         [+1d5]
      Mining ................... 44    (fair)         [+1d5]
      Stealth .................. 69    (good)         [+1d3]
      Swimming ................. 55    (good)         [+2d4]
      Two weapon combat ........  7    (poor)         [+4d5]
    
    
    
    
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                                Effects of Corruption
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    Your eye(s) turned black (Pe: +3).
    Your flesh continually spouts disease-ridden maggots (To: -6, Ch: -2, Ap:
    -4, DV: +4).
    You sport gills (Ap: -3, water breathing).
    Poison drips from your hands.
    
    
    
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                  His achievements during his adventures:
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    B, the trollish paladin, was killed by a master mimic.
    He scored 438173 points and advanced to level 20.
    He survived for 0 years, 49 days, 12 hours, 8 minutes and 35 seconds (39663
    turns).
    9 companions were killed during his adventures.
    B visited 94 places.
    His strength score was modified by +1 during his career.
    His willpower score was modified by +3 during his career.
    His dexterity score was modified by +1 during his career.
    His toughness score was modified by +2 during his career.
    His charisma score was modified by +2 during his career.
    His appearance score was modified by +2 during his career.
    His mana score was modified by +1 during his career.
    His perception score was modified by +3 during his career.
    He was the champion of the arena.
    He made a little water dragon very happy.
    He ended his adventuring life in the temple of elemental Mana.
    3613 monsters perished under his attacks.
    The following 21 artifacts were generated during his adventure:
      the si
      the scythe of corruption "Moon Sickle"
      the potion of literacy
      the golden gladius "Death's Sting"
      the holy avenger "Justifier"
      the Chaos Orb of Elemental Water
      the Chaos Orb of Elemental Air
      the Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire
      the Chaos Orb of Elemental Earth
      the lead-filled mace "Big Punch"
      the scorched spear
      the gauntlets of eternal peace "Shezestriakis"
      the rune-covered trident
      the elemental gauntlets
      the ring of the High Kings
      the crown of science
      the ancient mummy wrapping
      the ankh
      the black torc
      the rune-covered sling "Whirlwind"
      the ring of immunity
    He possessed the following intrinsics:
      He was fire resistant.
      He was poison resistant.
      He was able to control teleportation.
      He was stun resistant.
      He was paralyzation resistant.
      He was resistant to death rays.
      He was able to see invisible things.
      He was immune to shock attacks.
      He was immune to fire attacks (gained through an item).
      He was able to breathe water.
    He had the following talents: Alert, Long Stride, Miser, Quick, Shield
    Specialist, Treasure Hunter, Very Quick.
    He had a final speed score of 118 (final base speed: 123).
    He was a paragon of his religion.
    He asked for 6 divine interventions.
    He was a holy champion of Balance.
    He was tainted by Chaos.
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