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    Default Radical learning drop... what's going on?

    Just been playing a little with a chaos knight ... generally not a very lucky guy, starting with decaying tissues and stiff muscles. However, he started illiterate with learning 9, but just found and ate a dark sage corpse. So I tool a closer look at his scrolls and stuff and thought about reading one of his books, when I suddenly realized that his learning score has dropped to 1. Anybody got a clue how that could have happened? I didn't realize anything extraordinary... just dove through the UD and made a couple levels, but I am absolutely sure that his learing was still at 9 when he did the healer quest.

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                                Character Information
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    Error    St:19  Le: 1  Wi:19  Dx:18  To:27  Ch: 2  Ap: 1  Ma:12  Pe:15  C-
    DV/PV: 15/27   H: 155(171)   P: 17(37)   Exp: 11/38667   M: 7815
    
    
    
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                                Background Information
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    Name: Error               Race: male Ratling        Class: Chaos Knight
    Eye color: red            Hair color: gray          Complexion: brown
    Height: 5'2"              Weight: 143 pounds
    Age: 14 (young)
    Star sign: Candle         Birthday: 17/Candle (day 287 of the year)
    
    YOUR HISTORY:
            Your mother died in tortured childbirth and you were raised by your
     father. He always resented you for her death, and your stepmother hated
     you lividly.
            You were a selfish child, demanding that your every whim be met and
     throwing fits when it was denied.
            Your youth was spent in strict servitude to the local church. You
     resented each command and order, and took every opportunity you could to
     defile their sacred relics.
            As a young adult you became initiated into a local cult, performing
     vile rites and taking part in dark orgies of sin. You reveled in this
     worship of chaos, and accepted it as core to your being.
            At the age of 14 you burned all ties to your past, and danced upon
     the corpses of those who had wronged you. Bathed in their blood you became
     a Chaos Knight.
    
    
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    Total weight: 2740 stones                Carrying capacity: 2100 stones
    
    Head          : orcish helmet [+1, +2] {Pe-2}                        [100s]
    Neck          : -
    Body          : full plate armor (-4, -8) [-6, +9]                   [800s]
    Girdle        : uncursed mithril girdle [+0, +3]                      [20s]
    Cloak         : light cloak [+1, +0]                                  [20s]
    Right Hand    : huge iron hammer (-1, 2d9+4) [-3, +0]                [200s]
    Left Hand     : -
    Right Ring    : ring of speed [+0, +4] (+5 spd)                        [1s]
    Left Ring     : cursed marble ring                                     [1s]
    Bracers       : -
    Gauntlets     : -
    Boots         : iron boots [-1, +1]                                  [120s]
    Missile Weapon: -
    Missiles      : heap of 28 rocks (+0, 1d4)                           [140s]
    Tool          : -
    
    
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    Total weight: 1338 stones   Carrying capacity: 2100 stones
    
    Cloaks ('[')
       light cloak                                                        [20s]
    Necklaces (''')
       pearl necklace                                                      [2s]
       uncursed amulet of light                                            [3s]
    One-handed weapons ('(')
       adamantium mace (+0, 1d6+6)                                        [72s]
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       short bow (+1, +2)                                                 [20s]
       light crossbow {fair}                                              [70s]
       blessed long bow {good}                                            [30s]
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       heap of 6 rocks                                                    [30s]
       heap of 11 rocks                                                   [55s]
       uncursed arrow (-3, 1d6)                                            [2s]
       arrow (+0, 1d6)                                                     [2s]
       bundle of 4 quarrels                                                [8s]
       arrow (+0, 1d6+2)                                                   [2s]
       arrow (+0, 1d6-3)                                                   [2s]
       broken arrow {fair}                                                 [2s]
       heap of 8 uncursed rocks                                           [40s]
       heap of 8 rocks {good}                                             [40s]
       heap of 7 rocks                                                    [35s]
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       heap of 2 torches                                                  [20s]
       torch                                                              [10s]
       blanket                                                            [10s]
       triangular key                                                      [1s]
       blanket                                                            [10s]
       uncursed torch                                                     [10s]
       round key                                                           [1s]
    Instruments ('{')
       blessed glockenspiel                                              [120s]
    Rings ('=')
       ruby ring                                                           [1s]
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       broken obsidian wand                                                [3s]
       wand of item detection                                              [3s]
       steel wand                                                          [3s]
       wand of wonder                                                      [3s]
       wand of door creation                                               [3s]
    Potions ('!')
       potion of invisibility                                              [4s]
       potion of beauty                                                    [4s]
       potion of carrot juice                                              [4s]
       glowing potion                                                      [4s]
       blood red potion {mediocre}                                         [4s]
       rainbow-hued potion                                                 [4s]
       heap of 2 potions of water                                          [8s]
       viscous potion                                                      [4s]
       potion of invisibility                                              [4s]
       crimson potion                                                      [2s]
       potion of water                                                     [4s]
       potion of exchange                                                  [4s]
       uncursed blubbery potion                                            [2s]
    Scrolls ('?')
       heap of 2 scrolls labeled "ZTORF"                                   [4s]
       scroll of identify                                                  [2s]
       scroll labeled "ENO OWT EERHT"                                      [2s]
       scribbled scroll                                                    [2s]
       scroll labeled "HITME"                                              [2s]
       heap of 3 uncursed scrolls labeled "ZTORF"                          [6s]
       scroll of identify                                                  [2s]
       unlabeled scroll                                                    [2s]
       scroll labeled "KAPOW"                                              [2s]
       cursed scroll labeled "KAPOW"                                       [2s]
       scroll of protection                                                [2s]
       scroll labeled "KAPOW"                                              [2s]
    Books ('"')
       thick tome                                                        [100s]
       uncursed tome                                                     [150s]
    Food ('%')
       loaf of hurthling bread                                            [30s]
       heap of 2 uncursed iron rations                                   [200s]
       iron ration                                                       [100s]
    Valuables ('$')
       4363 gold pieces                                                   [43s]
    
    
    
    
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    Getting healing from Kranf Niest drops learning 1d3, so that's a possibility.

    Do you have the apish corruption? That drops learning, but then I thought CK could only get that as like the last corruption or something.
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    Hmmm, I just made a complete log file and it says that the learning score was dropped by just 3 points, so it seems that it's just my memory playing tricks on me and the Knarf Niest drop. Thanks for the info anyway!

    By the way, getting surrounded by spiders in the big room with such a slow char is HORRIBLE! Had to use my complete arsenal of options including all prayers to get out of there x-D
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    Well, my unlucky guy did rather well untill he was slaughtered by greater claw bugs on DH2. Killed three of them with a wand of fireballs, then I ran out of offensive ressources. I had one source of teleportation from a wand of wonder, but sadly in the room with the stairs yet another greater claw bug was waiting to finish me off... and I am quite sure that their intrinsics might have changed. I was wearing a ring of invisibility and they were all attacking me anyway. Also they were able to follow me through darkness without a problem. Gonna try to confirm this at the next opportunity, for ADOM wiki provides different information.
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    i thought greater claw bugs could see invis...it was changed to prevent people from raiding the claw bug temple with invis and tp. also no idea about your learning drop!!
    2 of my worse corruptions are stiff muscles and decaying tissues!! only beaten by unholy aura, poison hands & mana battery...
    i think it is mathematically impossible for someone to win with 4 of these 5 corruptions at the start of the game but someone needs to formally prove it

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    Actually my char was doing really well. He had more than 30 points of PV and more than 200 HP. Also he had got a backup blink dog corpse, so he could have tried some pools to save khelly and eventually get rid of those starting corruptions. Sadly I just forgot to grab the wand of teleportation after doing Griffyard and the Pyramid. With the wand I could have retreated quite easily. But I thought that one on-demand-casting of teleport together with invisibility would be enough for the DHs... well, bad luck.
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    Greater claw bugs and killer bugs were always able to see invis and through darkness IIRC.

    Edit: fixed both on the wiki. Not sure where this info originated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by divij View Post
    2 of my worse corruptions are stiff muscles and decaying tissues!! only beaten by unholy aura, poison hands & mana battery...
    i think it is mathematically impossible for someone to win with 4 of these 5 corruptions at the start of the game
    People have done more impossible things with ADOM and gotten away with it
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    Sounds like a challenge game to me. A really awful one and painful one. The trick would be rolling the character though.

    Personally I've started with poison hands then when I was crowned later I got mana battery (that was never removed) and an item which made me unholy and went on to win... but that was different.

    Of those corruptions the one I think would least like is decaying tissues. Health is an important resource for me as I play rather reckless, only getting half regen plus all the other negatives really puts on a damper on things for me.
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