Training Toughness over potential

[Scooter Fox]

I rolled a gray elven wizard with a really decent 13 To potential. The problem is, some hours later I'm level 23, ready to go to Tower of Eternal Flames and I'm stuck at that 13/13 To. I still have the Ice Queen's second quest to do and I have 2 potions of gain attributes but that will take me only to 17. Not cool. No potions of toughness in sight. I still haven't been to casino (obviously) and haven't tried to loot the underwater cave, but I don't have very high hopes anyway. Pools in Darkforge aren't even touched, but I'd rather not gamble there, I have some nice intrinsics I don't want to lose and Khelavaster is saved already.

Is there any other way to train Toughness? Is eating undead corpses reliable enough? (I don't want to lose too much alignment.) I tried training with Garth earlier, but 10k gold did nothing. If I give him, say, 50k, will it help? Or should I try Minotaur Maze? I've never been there before actually. :)

[pblack]

Minotaur maze is hard but rewards with 6 PoGA and 2 artifacts. Be careful thou since Minotaur Mages loooove to drain stats so you could do it all and come out of there worse than you entered. The minotaur emperor corpse also gives To, but it cuts your Wi pretty heavily (and corrupts). So I wouldn't do it with a mage without morgia (and possibly SoCC) to offset the difference later.

If your potential is at 13 I guess in later preleases you have to use PoGA. Unless you want to gamble with Potions of Exchange. Potions of balance are useful too if you do the math and can live with a few less points in Mana and dexterity probably (since you are an elf and probably has it as on of your higher stats).

I don't know if the chances of increasing To with undead corpses is decent after you hit the maximum potential. But a blessed amulet of balance woul help you to al least try without loosing too much alignment.

[Scooter Fox]

I was thinking about Minotaur Maze more for the emperor corpse, though I'm not sure if I'd be able to get 8 Willpower back.
EDIT: "not sure" because I have a severe shortage of morgia root herb patches, I think there's only one in UD after all of them somehow withered in CoC's Big Room.

[pblack]

The corpse is only the second best way to do it in the Maze. The PoGA are far more useful (and you get a random artifact along with the Axe, so that could be good as well). 8 is a guideline. As are +3 To. I never got this much before. I woud only eat it if you have the means to get the Wi back after since Wi is very important for you. More than an extra 3 To (which you could get from pretty common bone bracers)

[sweetnothing]

If your potential is at 13 I guess in later preleases you have to use PoGA.

Oh no, potions of potential stuff are/will be removed?!

[JellySlayer]

If you're willing to scum the wilderness for a bit, I think that swamp hydra corpses still train To above potential. Maybe hill orcs too, if you eat enough of them.

[pblack]

No, no.

I didn't say that. What I mean is that to actually raise your stats at this point, you are better off relying on the guaranteed PoGA's. If you have potions of potential stats, by all means, use them and train the stat before drinking the PoGAs

[blunk]

Wight corpses are fairly reliable at lower T scores and it raises your pot if maxed, don't know about corpse status but usually blessed is better in this game.
I recommend staying out of mino maze unless your up to a really tedious task, that place is a maze *duh* .

Other options are to grind (I've had good track record with high king cavernous levels) or potion dipping (but you may want to save that for rings).

[sweetnothing]

Thanks for clarification, pblack

[Blasphemous]

Corpse status doesn't seem to matter, at least for undead that grant toughness or increase its potential.
It's a problem for L chars though and to an extent also to N due to significant alignment drop, but blessed amulets of balance sort of remedy that.