Adom Wiki map conventions and guidebook migration

[Moult]

I like how I get the impression that the Wiki http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/ADOM_Wiki is slowly evolving into a good source of information. Obviously, it's still in progress, which brings two questions:

1. What's the consensus on copy-pasting from the guidebook into the Wiki?
2. Has anybody got any ideas for a good standard way to show maps on the Wiki?

For the second, you can see that http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/Locations has a lovely ASCII map with links and link titles that show on hover, however it is uncoloured. In contrast, http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/Terinyo has no map, and http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/Dwarftown has an image map that doesn't have labels or links. I'd really enjoy to see the maps on the pages, so I think we should have a standard way of showing maps, ideally that 1) anybody can replicate the view (e.g. not graphical, so people who are just playing ASCII can still understand it), 2) has labels and annotations, 3) has links to features on the map.

Ideas?

[Soirana]

1. What's the consensus on copy-pasting from the guidebook into the Wiki?
2. Has anybody got any ideas for a good standard way to show maps on the Wiki?

1. Given a number of active wiki editors [typically less than a number of toes on non mutilated foot], I don't think there is much of consensus on anything. Originally, wiki had permission to use facts, but not prose from guidebook [essentially copying things like tables, GI artifact descritions was okay].
IIRC, guidebook is public domain for ~ last three years. However, wiki is supposed to be more about actual information and I don't think there is a lot of factual info on guidebook, which can't be reached through wiki.
IGB, doesn't make separation between clean info and the one deriving from code analysis. This is somewhat controversial topic, but wiki is on clean info side. The initial editors did some research on certain topics [Ascaron did massive item generation to cover DL of items and so on...]. So IGB is not kosher source for wiki in my limted opinion.

2. Wilderness map is sure nice. Not sure how it was recreated, I just hope not by copying symbol by symbol. Technically it is probably possible to parse screenshots into wiki maps, but you need to ask someone with better technical knowledge [if I was seriously interested I would try poking Ln].

[Moult]

2. Well, I don't know much about Wiki formatting, but I'm sure we can come up with a good solution I suspect ideally it should use some custom CSS and JS so that the Wiki markup stays clean and doesn't inline everything which would be terrible for maintenance. However, I'm not sure how to edit these and don't even think I have permission to.

Meanwhile, I quickly threw together a test of a B&W and colour ASCII map of the Pyramid lvl 1: http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/Pyramid - codewise it is brute force (with some fancy vim regex), but aesthetically I quite like it. Thoughts? (also need ideas for how to handle labels and links)

[Soirana]

Meanwhile, I quickly threw together a test of a B&W and colour ASCII map of the Pyramid lvl 1: http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/Pyramid - codewise it is brute force (with some fancy vim regex), but aesthetically I quite like it. Thoughts? (also need ideas for how to handle labels and links)

Looks good. Needs a line explaining traps and hidden passages [i would use different colour # for hidden instead of 1 as guidebook does in cloured maps]

I think links/labels are done rather well in wilderness map.

[hapro]

Map looks cool but the contrast is hurting my eyeballs O_O maybe it's just me

[Moult]

@hapro, which contrast is hurting your eyes? Too little, too much, which two colours, etc?

I've made some modifications to the colours, adding the dungeon name, some padding changes, adding links and labels, thanks @Soirana for the colour suggestion instead of the 1 which I think is great, added a legend, and put it inline in the article where I think it makes more sense. Link for the lazy: http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/Pyramid

It's pretty easy to create these maps, so if people like this, I'll go ahead and start adding other locations.

[dai]

@hapro, which contrast is hurting your eyes? Too little, too much, which two colours, etc?

I've made some modifications to the colours, adding the dungeon name, some padding changes, adding links and labels, thanks @Soirana for the colour suggestion instead of the 1 which I think is great, added a legend, and put it inline in the article where I think it makes more sense. Link for the lazy: http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/Pyramid

It's pretty easy to create these maps, so if people like this, I'll go ahead and start adding other locations.

I'm looking at that page on chrome on my phone, and the maps look completely scrambled. Can't work out why - maybe a combination of line breaks and a non-fixed-width font?

[Moult]

It is broken because Wikia's mobile view does not support inline styles. There are two solutions:

1. Don't do anything, live with it, and only view the site on your desktop/tablet.
2. I need to be able to access the Wikia CSS, and to do that, I need administrator access. Who is the administrator of the Wikia and how do I contact him/her? I would very much like to access the Wikia CSS and JS to make these improvements in a non-hackish way.

[Soirana]

Who is the administrator of the Wikia and how do I contact him/her? I would very much like to access the Wikia CSS and JS to make these improvements in a non-hackish way.

Adom wikia lists Ascaron, Epythic and Ln as admins. Only latter is active nowadays. you can post on wikia profile, but forum pm would be noticed earlier [_Ln_ is forum name]. Or try Adom IRC channel if he still goes where [bloody lemon in where as far as my memmory goes].

[_Ln_]

Soirana-senpai noticed me!

Looks good, Moult. I appreciate your enthusiasm.