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    Quote Originally Posted by JellySlayer View Post
    I don't think there's any way into the trap room without the berserker opening it for you.
    At this point, I'd probably just skip Khelly. You'll probably find an AoLS and a couple wishes in the Casino anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soirana View Post
    No?
    I think currently ratio is somewhat random, but less than 1:2. (Unless some changes were reverted...)
    Not random, it's consistently around 1.5 for the purpose of casting wish.
    So, 1000 HP is the rough equivalent of 1500 PP.

    Fully pimped GE wizard at level 50 will have around 800 HP and ~1350 PP with TotRR and Mana Orb equipped.
    This translates to ~2550 PP for the purpose of casting wish, more with rings/amulets that increase mana/will (but not by much) and with boosters.
    4500 is the cost of bookcasting wish with a great book caster, assuming spell knowledge of at least 100.
    Silvernight for lawfuls halves it for 2250 total cost.
    Mana battery and "skin tingle" room stack for 40% reduction to a total cost of 2880 (20% applied to 4500, then another 20% applied to the resulting 3600; so it stacks but not the way you'd expect).
    Armor of life will increase HP by 20%, which translates to ~250 extra PP.
    This should be enough for the first cast.
    Boosting HP with pouh and poex is also desirable; these can be frequently brewed with alchemy or milked from Jharrod if you did the VD quest.
    Some other items boost mana and the toughness score will of course affect HP so you might actually end up capable of casting wish and surviving right off the bat.
    If you're lucky, the first cast will drain an attribute that's not related to HP or PP.
    Otherwise it might put you below the survival threshold.

    Porkman taught me one good lesson - make aols your first wish and put it on immediately. Preferably wear one even before the first cast in case you miscalculated.
    He also underlined the importance of satiation; casting from HP drains it and might well kill you by starvation.

    Practice shows that most of my archmages use up all PP and about half HP to cast wish for the first time.
    Subsequent uses of mana orb quickly build up enough PP to ditch HP casting.

    EDIT: OH yeah, forgot that this is about Necro - they get virtually identical HP/PP scores as wizards so all the above calculations are still ok.
    The necro I used for the challenge in this thread had something like 870 HP and 1360 PP to start with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blasphemous View Post


    Not random, it's consistently around 1.5 for the purpose of casting wish.
    So, 1000 HP is the rough equivalent of 1500 PP.
    For wish maybe, for other spells no. I've launched r60 and starting char was drained close to 2:1 ratio on light and magic missile.

    In nutshell, we don't know general formula for PP into HP conversion at this point.
    So far rolled 15 casters with RoDS and shamelessly killed them within 200 turns. For eternium glory!
    (after 15 I stopped counting...)

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    Ok, here's the question. I'm trying to save Khelly. I've got 500 pp and 480 HP. Looks like I need to Boost Toughness and Boost Mana before casting wish. I know you lose the wish spell memory when you cast it not from book. Will the books disappear if I relearn from the book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baranor View Post
    Ok, here's the question. I'm trying to save Khelly. I've got 500 pp and 480 HP. Looks like I need to Boost Toughness and Boost Mana before casting wish. I know you lose the wish spell memory when you cast it not from book. Will the books disappear if I relearn from the book?
    Depends on status of book, no? Blessed one should have more than two reads in it, surely. (not sure if blessing book after first read has any point...)
    So far rolled 15 casters with RoDS and shamelessly killed them within 200 turns. For eternium glory!
    (after 15 I stopped counting...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soirana View Post
    Depends on status of book, no? Blessed one should have more than two reads in it, surely. (not sure if blessing book after first read has any point...)
    Status doesn't give you more reads, it's pre-charged at creation. Blessing does increase your chance to learn spell by up to 20% though. For non-casters this is a great bonus. Sadly it's just luck of the draw how many 'charges' you get.

    Edit: baranor, the spell knowledge will decrease on cast by up to 250. If you're lucky, you can get as low as 100 though.
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    Any way to boost PP or HP? I just added 6 Mana and only gained 24 PP. I'm not sure my boost potions will get me there. Looks like I might get to 600PP and 500HP. That doesn't seem to be enough. Yarg. I don't want to throw away a character, but the rest of the game will be trivial at this point.

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    Every 4 points of mana gets you lvl-1 pp. however, toughness isn't very good at progressing, it increases hp less the higher it goes. honestly though, if you could just gain a few levels, you'll be all set. Also gaining mana is pretty quick if you punch a ton of gremlins to death for a while while berserk with rings of slaying on.

    There is a dmg/1000 chance of gaining a mana point every hit with shadow touch.

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    Wow, that is cheatery. That will need to be nerfed. Went from 36 Mana to 99 in about 20 minutes. Cast wish, lost the memory, read book and didn't lose it. So I'm set up to be an Archmage. I saved Khelly and am clearing Mana Temple right now. Looking for some bracers of Toughness to get to my 10 To equipment.

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    Lol, that's why I've been trying to say necromancers are better than just bad wizards! Unlimited power....

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    I'm now diving for Filk, I'm pretty sure I killed a rat as my first kill so we shall see. I've been avoiding killing them so should know tomorrow. That would spell the end for the ultra. Sad, but realistic. I could probably get the sceptre just to have a second option for next level stuff.

    Any update for you Blank?

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