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    Hey guys, this is my first character that has a real chance. Got incredibly lucky with spells, as you will see.

    My character is Strawberry, a level 18 necromancer. He has a really great spell deck with tons of excellent ones for the tower including Frost Bolt and Ice Bal (I have both of their books as well)
    Anyways, looking to take on the ToEF. So, here is my log file. Any help would be great:

    Code:
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                                Character Information
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    Strawberry    St:16  Le:16  Wi:15  Dx:14  To:14  Ch: 7  Ap: 1  Ma:22  Pe:16
    C
    DV/PV: 68/22   H: 114(114)   P: 139(139)   Exp: 18/259219   M: 57985
    
    
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                                       Spells
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       Acid Bolt          :    53,  19pp     (Effectivity: +19)
       Bless              :   192,   8pp     (Effectivity: +1)
       Calm Monster       :    79,   9pp     (Effectivity: +0)
       Cure Light Wounds  :   139,   5pp     (Effectivity: +2)
       Cure Serious Wounds:    76,  12pp     (Effectivity: +1)
       Darkness           :   411,   4pp     (Effectivity: +2)
       Death Ray          :    48, 152pp     (Effectivity: +2)
       Fire Bolt          :    84,  11pp     (Effectivity: +2)
       Frost Bolt         :   198,   7pp     (Effectivity: +26)
       Ice Ball           :    75,  31pp     (Effectivity: +2)
       Invisibility       :   109,   9pp     (Effectivity: +5)
       Knock              :   146,  12pp     (Effectivity: +0)
       Lightning Ball     :    96,  30pp     (Effectivity: +5)
       Magic Lock         :   275,   8pp     (Effectivity: +0)
       Magic Missile      :   209,   8pp     (Effectivity: +0)
       Scare Monster      :   150,  12pp     (Effectivity: +0)
       Slow Monster       :    49,  10pp     (Effectivity: +0)
       Slow Poison        :   127,   6pp     (Effectivity: +2)
       Teleportation      :   226,  24pp     (Effectivity: +6)
    
    
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                                       Skills
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      Alchemy .................. 44    (fair)         [+3d3]
      Appraising ............... 62    (good)         [+1d3]
      Backstabbing ............. 68    (good)         [+3d4]
      Climbing ................. 43    (fair)         [+3d3]
      Concentration ............100    (superb)       [+1d5]
      Find weakness ............ 87    (great)        [+1]
      First aid ................ 26    (mediocre)     [+2d4]
      Food preservation ........ 71    (great)        [+1]
      Gemology ................. 17    (mediocre)     [+2d4]
      Haggling ................. 17    (mediocre)     [+2d4]
      Healing .................. 79    (great)        [+1d3]
      Herbalism ................ 53    (good)         [+1]
      Listening ................ 80    (great)        [+1d5]
      Literacy .................100    (superb)       [+1d5]
      Mining ................... 23    (mediocre)     [+3d3]
      Necromancy ...............100    (superb)       [+2d4]
      Pick pockets ............. 19    (mediocre)     [+3d3]
      Stealth .................. 84    (great)        [+1d5]
      Swimming ................. 24    (mediocre)     [+2d4]
      Tactics .................. 59    (good)         [+1]
      Two weapon combat ........ 27    (mediocre)     [+2d4]
      Ventriloquism ............ 27    (mediocre)     [+3d4]
    
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                                      Inventory
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    Total weight: 1552 stones                Carrying capacity: 1650 stones
    
    Head          : cursed hat [+0, +3]                                    [4s]
    Neck          : uncursed ankh                                          [3s]
    Body          : uncursed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8}       [60s]
    Girdle        : adamantium girdle [+0, +3]                            [18s]
    Cloak         : cloak of defense [+3, +0]                             [20s]
    Right Hand    : uncursed sword of Nonnak (+2, 4d3+2) [+2, +2] {Wi+5}  [80s]
    Left Hand     : uncursed tower eternium shield (-1) [+13, +4]         [70s]
    Right Ring    : uncursed ring of fire resistance                       [1s]
    Left Ring     : uncursed ring of slaying (+3 melee damage, +6 missile damage)
    Bracers       : brass bracers {fair}                                  [10s]
    Gauntlets     : uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3]        [10s]
    Boots         : blessed seven league boots [+1, +0]                   [30s]
    Missile Weapon: -
    Missiles      : -
    Tool          : -
    
    
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                                        Stuff
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    Total weight: 1245 stones   Carrying capacity: 1650 stones
    
    Necklaces (''')
       necklace of rabies resistance                                       [2s]
       necklace of the eye                                                 [3s]
       uncursed amulet of death ray resistance                             [7s]
       uncursed rusty amulet of the cold heart {Ch-12}                     [3s]
       necklace of rapid healing                                           [2s]
       rusty amulet of free action                                         [3s]
       rusty necklace of the eye                                           [3s]
       amulet of health                                                    [3s]
       pendant of beauty {Ap+4}                                            [3s]
       brass amulet                                                        [3s]
       amulet of protection from constructs                                [3s]
    Two-handed weapons ('(')
       rune-covered trident (+6, 3d12+6) [+4, +4] {Dx+12}                 [80s]
    Tools (']')
       uncursed torch (1062 turns of fuel remaining)                      [10s]
       uncursed box with flint and steel (28)                              [5s]
       uncursed tinderbox (18)                                             [3s]
       uncursed bandage                                                    [2s]
       uncursed holy symbol                                                [5s]
       cursed thieves picks                                                [5s]
       uncursed tinderbox (5)                                              [3s]
       uncursed rusty tiny key                                             [1s]
       cursed bandage                                                      [2s]
       uncursed fireproof blanket                                         [10s]
       bandage                                                             [2s]
       fireproof blanket                                                  [10s]
       rusty triangular key {mediocre}                                     [1s]
       rusty square key                                                    [1s]
       blanket                                                            [10s]
    Instruments ('{')
       uncursed rusty whistle                                              [1s]
    Rings ('=')
       uncursed wedding ring                                               [1s]
       cursed wedding ring                                                 [1s]
       uncursed rusty ring of stun resistance                              [1s]
       heap of 3 uncursed rusty rings of acid resistance                   [3s]
       uncursed ring of invisibility                                       [1s]
       uncursed ring of luck                                               [1s]
       heap of 3 uncursed rings of the fish                                [3s]
       uncursed rusty ring of speed [+0, +4] (+5 spd)                      [1s]
       bronze ring                                                         [1s]
       rusty ring of the clear mind                                        [1s]
       rusty ring of stun resistance                                       [1s]
       platinum ring                                                       [1s]
       ring of stun resistance                                             [1s]
       ring of fire resistance                                             [1s]
    Wands ('\')
       uncursed wand of stunning (1 charge)                                [3s]
       uncursed wand of monster detection (0 charges)                      [3s]
       uncursed wand of poison (1 charge)                                  [3s]
       uncursed wand of digging (0 charges)                                [3s]
       uncursed wand of ball lightning (7 charges)                         [4s]
       uncursed wand of webbing (0 charges)                                [3s]
       uncursed wand of wonder (2 charges)                                 [3s]
       uncursed wand of monster detection (5 charges)                      [3s]
       cursed wand of digging (0 charges)                                  [3s]
       uncursed wand of digging (0 charges)                                [3s]
       uncursed wand of fireballs (2 charges)                              [3s]
       uncursed wand of door creation (0 charges)                          [3s]
       uncursed wand of far slaying (9 charges)                            [3s]
       uncursed wand of item detection (3 charges)                         [3s]
       uncursed wand of digging (4 charges)                                [3s]
       uncursed wand of digging (0 charges)                                [3s]
       wand of acid                                                        [4s]
       wand of door creation                                               [3s]
       wand of fireballs                                                   [3s]
       wand of door creation                                               [3s]
       rusty bronze wand {mediocre}                                        [3s]
       rusty wand of magic missiles                                        [3s]
       rusty purple wand {mediocre}                                        [4s]
       wand of fireballs                                                   [3s]
       wand of door creation (0 charges)                                   [3s]
       wand of door creation (6 charges)                                   [3s]
       rusty iron wand {mediocre}                                          [4s]
       wand of digging                                                     [3s]
       wand of door creation                                               [3s]
       wand of door creation                                               [3s]
       rusty bronze wand {mediocre}                                        [3s]
       wand of acid                                                        [4s]
       wand of ball lightning                                              [4s]
       brass wand                                                          [6s]
       tin wand                                                            [4s]
    Potions ('!')
       uncursed potion of training                                         [2s]
       heap of 7 uncursed potions of water                                [28s]
       heap of 3 uncursed potions of wonder                                [6s]
       uncursed potion of strength                                         [4s]
       cursed potion of charisma                                           [4s]
       uncursed potion of carrot juice                                     [4s]
       heap of 2 uncursed potions of potential charisma                    [8s]
       heap of 3 potions of holy water                                    [12s]
       uncursed potion of invisibility                                     [4s]
       uncursed potion of cure poison                                      [2s]
       uncursed oil of rust removal                                        [2s]
       heap of 3 uncursed potions of booze                                [12s]
       uncursed potion of potential strength                               [4s]
       heap of 2 uncursed potions of potential beauty                      [8s]
       heap of 3 blessed potions of extra healing                          [6s]
       uncursed potion of stun recovery                                    [2s]
       uncursed potion of potential mana                                   [4s]
       potion of cure poison                                               [2s]
       sparkling potion {fair}                                             [2s]
       potion of strength                                                  [4s]
       glowing potion {mediocre}                                           [4s]
       heap of 4 potions of water                                         [16s]
       heap of 2 oily potions {fair}                                       [8s]
       translucent potion {fair}                                           [2s]
       oily potion {good}                                                  [4s]
       potion of water                                                     [4s]
       heap of 2 potions of potential mana                                 [8s]
       potion of booze                                                     [4s]
       heap of 4 potions of invisibility                                  [16s]
       opaque potion {good}                                                [2s]
       rusty potion {mediocre}                                             [2s]
       light blue potion                                                   [2s]
       red potion                                                          [4s]
       potion of boost strength                                            [2s]
       speckled potion {mediocre}                                          [4s]
       potion of cure corruption                                           [2s]
       rainbow-hued potion                                                 [2s]
       potion of potential charisma                                        [4s]
       murky potion                                                        [4s]
       potion of carrot juice                                              [4s]
    Scrolls ('?')
       uncursed scroll of danger                                           [2s]
       uncursed scroll of peace                                            [2s]
       heap of 4 uncursed scrolls of uncursing                             [8s]
       heap of 2 uncursed blank scrolls                                    [4s]
       heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of darkness                              [4s]
       uncursed scroll of defense                                          [2s]
       uncursed scroll of item detection                                   [2s]
       uncursed scroll of cure blindness                                   [2s]
       blessed scroll of monster detection                                 [2s]
       blessed papyrus scroll                                              [2s]
       heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of identify                              [4s]
       uncursed scroll of balance {a}                                      [2s]
       cursed scroll of great identify                                     [2s]
       heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of protection                            [4s]
       heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of amnesia                               [4s]
       scroll of darkness                                                  [2s]
       heap of 3 scrolls of identify                                       [6s]
       heap of 2 scrolls of protection                                     [4s]
       scroll labeled "EDEVESH HANAGASH"                                   [2s]
       scroll labeled "FROTZ" {fair}                                       [2s]
       heap of 2 scrolls labeled "GNAY-GNIY" {fair}                        [4s]
       heap of 3 scrolls of power                                          [6s]
       blank scroll                                                        [2s]
       scroll of uncursing                                                 [2s]
       scroll labeled "YTTOCS PU EM MAEB" {fair}                           [2s]
       scroll labeled "Odiv"                                               [2s]
       scroll labeled "HITME" {fair}                                       [2s]
       scroll labeled "YIKES"                                              [2s]
       scroll of power                                                     [2s]
       scroll of danger                                                    [2s]
    Books ('"')
       spellbook of Frost Bolt                                           [100s]
       spellbook of Ice Ball                                             [100s]
       uncursed spellbook of Invisibility                                [100s]
       spellbook of Teleportation                                        [100s]
    Food ('%')
       cursed bit of plain candy                                           [2s]
       heap of 2 cursed burb roots                                         [4s]
       cursed pepper petal                                                 [2s]
       heap of 3 stomacemptia herbs                                        [6s]
       heap of 6 stomacemptia herbs                                       [12s]
       heap of 4 demon daisies                                             [8s]
       devil's rose                                                        [2s]
       heap of 3 burb roots                                                [6s]
       strange herb                                                        [2s]
       moss of mareilon                                                    [2s]
       pepper petal                                                        [2s]
       pepper petal                                                        [2s]
       loaf of dwarvish bread                                             [60s]
       jackal corpse                                                      [60s]
       dwarven sausage                                                    [20s]
    Valuables ('$')
       2219 gold pieces                                                   [22s]
    Gems ('*')
       uncursed worthless piece of red glass                               [1s]
       uncursed crystal of power                                           [1s]
       uncursed worthless piece of brown glass                             [1s]
       uncursed crystal of light                                           [1s]
       cursed green gem                                                    [1s]
       uncursed brown gem                                                  [1s]
       worthless piece of red glass                                        [1s]
       red gem
    Items that may come in handy that are not in the file: Huge store of spell books, many weapons (non as good as the trident damage wise though), and an INCREDIBLY powerful undead slave. He has around 600 HP, can insta kill anything (have found nothing that can beat him, not even any bosses), including steel golems, and is like level 30 lol. Great corpse find (Troll Chief), but I will NOT bring him lol. Do not want Sunshine (his name ) to turn evil. So anyways, what should I bless, what should my strategy be, ect. The only major weakness I see is the lack of teleport control and high health. Also, should I use my incredible shield (lucky drop, the same monster dropped some un cursed SLB's, but I found blessed ones later) or the trident? I know it has demon slaying, and I can throw it, so it might be good against the worm.

    Thanks in advance, CDFalcon.

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    Thats a low level to tackle TOEF I'm not saying it's not doable but you will maybe have a challenge.
    Are you immune to fire? if not you want maybe something that heals you like ring of regeneration for example or a good stack of blessed spenseweed.
    No ring of ice, kiss your hat, cloak and 7lb goodbye.
    You have a very small amount of castings.

    If you're going, read up on your frost bolts first.

    If you want a better chance I'd suggest you first do water temple in Caverns of Chaos and continue down to wall of flames.
    Maybe also frost giants/ice queens first quest before TOEF.

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    Thanks! I was not sure if Ice Queen had rewards that were worth it, but mate temple might be good. I pacified the Big Room so herbs are easy to come by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDFalcon View Post
    Thanks! I was not sure if Ice Queen had rewards that were worth it, but mate temple might be good. I pacified the Big Room so herbs are easy to come by.
    Ice queen rewards are always worth it! FGJC's are xp heaven, and as a caster you can beat 2 of 3 vault types with ease. As for Ice queen 2nd quest, I'd recommend the lawful route, bonus will is always nice.

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    Just make sure you kill the berserker prince before he lets everything out and you should be able to breeze through the entire area.

    Also with the potions of cure corruption from the Ice queen you can use one on the ACW without worrying about losing the only one you have.

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    Your casting levels are dangerously low, pretty much across the board. Do you have a stash of extra books you can read? At your level you should really have like 1000+ castings of your important spells. Your Le score isn't great, but I'd expect at your level you'd be able to get more out of your books than you have. Since you've done Darkforge, you can always use the Crown of Science when you read your books. Willpower is also very low, especially considering you're using Sword of Nonnak. Should be able to boost this with herbs.

    Your HP is not great for ToEF. <150 HP is definitely in the danger zone. It's doable, but it requires some care.

    What's your piety like? If you have spare cash somewhere, you should consider getting crowned. Do you know how to bless items? Looking at your inventory, I'm guessing maybe you don't?
    Hoping to win with every class, doomed. Archer, Barbarian, Bard, Beastfighter, Druid, Elementalist, Farmer, Fighter, Monk, and ULE Priest down.

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    What happened to the stats?

    Overall 110Hp and no Alertness is no go in tower unless you absolutely sure what you will do in there...

    As a gnome (just my guess, lol), you can't really be capped at To14... so incease To, unleash slave on darkforge (mostly to check if knive of endurance is generated), get RoI (neutral visit to dwarven mystic - yes need tp control). Also get crowned (preferably not as chaotic) and grab water orb (at very least for willpower bonus).

    But increase your stats (willpower 15 with Nonnak, seriously?)
    So far rolled 15 casters with RoDS and shamelessly killed them within 200 turns. For eternium glory!
    (after 15 I stopped counting...)

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    Thanks for all of your advice. It is looking like the Ice Temple it is. Reading up, I should be able to whip through it. And yes, I have around 5 extra Frost Bolt books somewhere, will read those.

    As for my health, it was drained by a monster... I was at 230 but for some reason now it halted itself. My piety is very high, but it is a chaotic god. However I know a few ways i could become neutral. Would by piety cross over if I turned neutral as well? As for my will power, yes it is dangerously low. I was pissed at the lack of alertness, but learned to live with it.

    Also, I do know how to bless items, however I do not know which object are worth blessing... I know in the ToEF a fireproof blanket would be nice but other than that...

    Also, can anyone clarify, is the trident better than what I currently have equipped? I know my will power is horrible for a caster, basically Nonnak is my crutch. Will check dark forge again before I tackle the Ice Tower. And stat increase will be fine, the big room is all mine herb wise.

    Thanks again for all of your help!

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    St:16 Le:16 Wi:15 Dx:14 To:14 Ch: 7 Ap: 1 Ma:22 Pe:16
    Your stats are extremely low for lvl 18.
    Are you sure they are already at potential maximums? Training with Garth up to 19 is cheap (14:2001 gp, 15: 3001gp, 16-18: 6000 gp per increase), not to mention your Herbalism.
    Especially your Learning stat. You have only 198 memorisation left in the Frost Bolt - increase it a little and your character will never ever run out of it since there are so many spellbooks of Frost Bolt falling for the Necromancers.

    Bless your scrolls of identify and read one, no need to walk around with so many unidentified scrolls and potions.
    Drink your stat boosting potions (after training with Garth) - you are about to reach territory with high item destruction rates, so it is better to use them now.


    Since you have such a good thrall, let him play around in the Animated Forest while you are reading the spellbooks. You'll get a ton of new spellbooks and valuable items.
    Last edited by SinsI; 05-09-2016 at 02:00 PM.

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    ADOM. God. Well. That just changed everything.

    I drank from a pool in Darkforge upon my return (good weapons, no good armor).

    Very first drink: "What do you wish for?"

    Okay, do not want to waste this. What do you guys think I should wish for? Sword of extreme stat increase ?

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