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    Exclamation duelists do less damage wielding a shield?

    I learned that today.

    Or encumbered.

    It's not listed on the ctrl-x class skill screen as a special, but it's still there.
    At level 8, normal tactics, changes from 1d7+2 -> 1d7+4
    At berserk, it is a 3 damage difference.

    Drat

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    The requirements are documented ingame in the manual:

    All duelists rely on fighting unencumbered and using a single one-handed weapon (and no shields!). When endowed in this way they receive a multitude of benefits: all duelists receive an extra +1 to-hit bonus per weapon skill rank and +1 to damage per two weapon skill ranks with their weapon. At level 6 they...
    At character level 12 it is usually wise to start fighting unencumbered and without shield. Before that it depends on equipment, but since raising strength by being strained is usually necessary you might as well use shields in the beginning.
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    "All duelists rely on fighting unencumbered "

    This also makes porter line talents very important for duelist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blunk View Post
    This also makes porter line talents very important for duelist.
    Either that, or stop carrying around so much useless crap. ;-)
    You steal a scroll labelled HITME. The orc hits you.

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    But it might be useful later

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitzpa88 View Post
    But it might be useful later
    I really need that stack of amnesia scrolls to dip into water to get blank scrolls so I can write scrolls of ... Protection? nope, too much artifact armor. melee damage / accuracy? Nope, artifact weapons or smithing. Scrolls of ??? oh never mind.

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    Scrolls of amnesia and wands of lightning ball have negative value and I *do* reliably drop those the second they are identified.
    ... I'm a terrible pack rat otherwise, which is why I had typed my prior post in all caps.

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    I'm a compulsive hoarder, there's no way I'm leaving any stuff behind. I feel the sudden itch whenever I see items on the dungeon floor, I need to pick them up asap before I leave.
    It's an issue, I'm working on it. I played a duelist once, it was painful. My favorite char to play is a wizard that starts with a spellbook of strength of atlas. I just go with autopickup from the start till the end.
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    Lol I’m so bad at packratting that I’ll play a mist elf 90% of the time, spam a wand of wonder until I get a SoA spell and book cast SoA on _every_ class.

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    I'm such a packrat & grinder, I know when to swap out the girdle of carrying for the belt of giant strength.

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