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    Default Ratling Duelist looks too powerful

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    RatLord      St:33  Le:38  Wi:25  Dx:62  To:37  Ch:40  Ap:15  Ma:50  Pe:24  N=
    DV/PV:184/57    H:919(919)    P:583(583)    Exp:49/19550255    DrCh  Sp:147
    Blessed
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    Name: RatLord             Race: female Ratling      Class: Duelist
    Eye color: brown          Hair color: black         Complexion: brown
    Height: 4'8"              Weight: 28 pounds
    Age: 12 (young)
    Star sign: Candle         Birthday: 7/Candle (day 277 of the year)
    
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    Total weight: 24465 stones                Carrying capacity: 61352 stones
    
    Head          : uncursed crown of leadership [+2, +7] {Ch+18}         [65s]
    Neck          : uncursed stone of the ages {Le+6}                      [2s]
    Body          : uncursed black dragon scale mail (-2, -4) [+3, +11]  [200s]
    Girdle        : uncursed mithril girdle [+2, +4]                      [20s]
    Cloak         : uncursed cloak of Oman (+2, +0) [+4, +4] {Dx+8}       [20s]
    Right Hand    : blessed black whip of extinction (-4, 2d5)            [15s]
    Left Hand     : -
    Right Ring    : uncursed ring of slaying (+9 melee damage, +6 missile damage)
    Left Ring     : blessed ring of ice                                    [1s]
    Bracers       : blessed quicksilver bracers [+7, +3] (+6 spd)         [10s]
    Gauntlets     : uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3]        [10s]
    Boots         : blessed seven league boots [+2, +4]                   [30s]
    Missile Weapon: uncursed heavy crossbow "The Far Slayer" (+18, +18)  [350s]
    Missiles      : bundle of 45 uncursed rusty quarrels (+1, 2d6)        [90s]
    Tool          : blessed cornucopia {Ma+13}                           [100s]
    
    
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    Melee weapon           Lvl   Hit   Dam   DV   Level          Required marks
    ---------------------  ---   ---   ---   --   -------------  --------------
    Daggers & knives        14   +18   +11   +4   Mastery              10336
    Swords                  15   +18   +12   +6   Grand Mastery
    Whips                   15   +24   +19  +15   Grand Mastery
    
    Missile weapon         Lvl   Hit   Dam   Ra   Level          Required marks
    ---------------------  ---   ---   ---   --   -------------  --------------
    Slings                   2    +4    +3   +0   basic                196
    Bows                     4    +8    +6   +0   skilled              448
    Crossbows                1    +2    +1   +0   basic                76
    
    Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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    Right hand: +102 bonus to hit, 2d5+60 damage
    
    Damage caused with your missile weapons:
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    Ammunition: 45, base range: 18, +81 bonus to hit, (2d6+41)/2 damage
    
    
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                  Her achievements during her battles:
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    RatLord, the ratling duelist, saved the world with her brave efforts while
    saving herself 38 times.
    She scored 11386860 points and advanced to level 49.
    She survived for 0 years, 93 days, 8 hours, 54 minutes and 9 seconds (133440
    turns).
    1 companion was killed during her adventures.
    RatLord visited 169 places.
    Her strength score was modified by +21 during her career.
    Her learning score was modified by +20 during her career.
    Her willpower score was modified by +17 during her career.
    Her dexterity score was modified by +24 during her career.
    Her toughness score was modified by +20 during her career.
    Her charisma score was modified by +6 during her career.
    Her appearance score was modified by +17 during her career.
    Her mana score was modified by +25 during her career.
    Her perception score was modified by +13 during her career.
    She was the champion of the arena.
    She defeated the arch enemy of a mighty karmic wyrm.
    She saved Khelavaster from certain death.
    She left the Drakalor Chain after completing her quest and became a famous
    heroine.
    8418 monsters perished under her attacks.
    The following 50 artifacts were generated during her adventure:
      the si
      the scythe of corruption "Moon Sickle"
      the golden gladius "Death's Sting"
      the Chaos Orb of Elemental Water
      the Chaos Orb of Elemental Air
      the Chaos Orb of Elemental Fire
      the Chaos Orb of Elemental Earth
      the heavy crossbow "The Far Slayer"
      the rune-covered long sword "Trusted One"
      the lead-filled mace "Big Punch"
      the silver key
      the gauntlets of eternal peace "Shezestriakis"
      the mighty morning star "Grod"
      the cloak of Oman
      the sword of Nonnak
      the elemental gauntlets
      the ring of the High Kings
      the phial of Caladriel
      the crown of science
      the ancient mummy wrapping
      the ankh
      the small black shield "Lust for Glory"
      the Chaos Orb of Elemental Mana
      the black rune-covered dagger "Needle"
      the rune-covered sling "Whirlwind"
      the fine leather armor "Nature's Companion"
      the staff of the archmagi
      the crown of leadership
      the tome of donors
      the antediluvian dwarven map fragment
      the antediluvian dwarven map
      the ancient dwarven key
      the unpick axe
      the deformed mace "Masher"
      the whip of the vampire snake
      the quicksilver bracers
      the thorny whip "Bloody Rose"
      the chain mail of the martyred crusader
      the glowing gem "Third Eye"
      the circlet of the pure mind
      the glowing green cloak "Venom Mantle"
      the scroll of the finder
      the wicked spear "Scorpion's Sting"
      the bracers of pure might
      the amulet of indomitable life
      the black whip of extinction
      the glistening scimitar "Eagle's Claw"
      the cornucopia
      the stone of the ages
      the heavy spiked mace "Michals Transmogrifier"
    She possessed the following intrinsics:
      She was fire resistant (also through an item).
      She was poison resistant (also through an item).
      She was cold resistant (gained through an item).
      She was lucky (also through an item).
      Fate smiled upon her (also through an item).
      She was petrification resistant (gained through items).
      She was able to teleport (gained through an item).
      She was able to control teleportation.
      She was paralyzation resistant (gained through items).
      She was resistant to death rays (gained through an item).
      She was shock resistant (also through items).
      She was able to see invisible things (also through an item).
      She was immune to shock attacks.
      She was immune to acidic attacks (gained through an item).
      She was able to breathe water.
      She was able to resist confusion attacks (also through an item).
    She had the following talents: Affinity with Whips, Aggressive, Careful,
    Defensive Fighter, Dodger, Greased Lightning, Hardy, Healthy, Immune to
    Pain, Iron Skin, Long Stride, Porter, Quick, Stealthy, Steel Skin, Tough
    Skin, Very Careful, Very Quick.
    She had a final speed score of 147 (final base speed: 141).
    She was a fervent follower of Sssaass.
    She asked for 1 divine intervention.
    She was a holy champion of Balance.
    She was severely tainted by Chaos.
    
    The following monsters were vanquished:
          5 acid vortices
         25 air demons
         18 air elementals
          6 air grues
          2 ancient black dragons
         43 ancient blue dragons
          1 ancient blue wyrm
          1 Ancient Chaos Wyrm
          1 ancient karmic dragon
          6 ancient minotaurs
         90 ancient red dragons
          1 Ancient Stone Beast
          4 ancient white dragons
          9 animated armors
          1 animated tree
          4 ankhegs
         15 annihilators
          4 annis hags
         38 antediluvian orcs
          1 antediluvian orc chieftain
          1 antediluvian troll
          9 assassins
         10 balors
         21 bandits
          1 banshee
          6 barbarians
         15 barbarian leaders
        386 battle bunnies
          1 beggar
         59 berserkers
          4 berserker emperors
          1 berserker king
         15 berserker lords
          9 berserker princes
          7 big dogs
          3 black dragons
          5 black dragon hatchlings
         24 black hurthlings
          2 black slayers
          2 black unicorns
         12 black wizards
          6 blink dogs
         33 blue dragons
         48 blue dragon hatchlings
          1 bone golem
          5 breakers
          1 brown bear
         13 brown worms
         28 bugbears
          2 builders
          4 bulettes
          1 bunny master
         13 carrion crawlers
          1 cat lord
          8 cave bears
         38 cave fishers
          2 cave lions
         65 cave lizards
          9 cave tigers
         39 cavemen
          1 Chaos Archmage
         18 chaos brothers
          8 chaos eyes
          4 chaos knights
          9 chaos lizards
         70 chaos mutants
         15 chaos plague bearers
         15 chaos rats
        230 chaos servants
          6 chaos sisters
         83 chaos spawn
         16 chaos spiders
          9 chaos vipers
          2 chaos warlords
         34 chaos warriors
         40 chaos wizards
         57 claw bugs
          7 clay golems
          5 clay statues
          5 cobras
          1 cooshoo
         21 corpse fiends
          4 corruptors
          1 crime lord
         24 crystal statues
         16 cutpurses
          2 cyclopes
         12 dark elven archers
         10 dark elven lords
         21 dark elven priestesses
          5 dark elven princesses
         14 dark elven warriors
         15 dark elven wizards
         38 dark orcs
         18 dark sages
          3 death oozes
          1 detrapster
          2 diamond golems
         51 dire wolves
         24 displacer beasts
         25 doppelgangers
          3 Dorn Beasts
          6 dwarves
         39 dwarven chaos knights
          1 dwarven gladiator
         49 earth elementals
         18 ettins
         12 eyes of destruction
          3 fairy dragons
         43 fire beetles
         21 fire demons
         93 fire drakes
         73 fire elementals
         28 fire giants
         25 fire giant kings
         11 fire grues
        172 fire lizards
         10 fire vortices
         12 flesh golems
         14 floating eyes
         51 fomorian giants
        109 frost giants
         38 frost giant berserkers
         34 frost giant jarls
          2 frost salamanders
          5 frozen ones
          1 fungoid overlord
          7 fungoid sporecasters
         10 gargantuan rats
         10 gargoyles
         11 gelatinous cubes
         37 ghosts
          4 ghost bats
          5 ghost kings
         59 ghost lords
         96 ghuls
          2 giant ant queens
         42 giant ant warriors
         18 giant ant workers
         45 giant bats
          3 giant bee queens
        105 giant bee warriors
         21 giant bee workers
         23 giant centipedes
         23 giant frogs
         18 giant lizards
          8 giant raccoons
        157 giant rats
          6 giant rust monsters
          5 giant slugs
         84 giant spiders
          7 gibbering mouthers
         43 gnolls
          7 gnoll chieftains
        102 goblins
         47 goblin berserkers
         35 goblin chieftains
         63 goblin rockthrowers
         48 goblin slavemasters
          3 gorgons
         12 gray oozes
          3 gray slayers
          7 great blue wyrms
          2 great karmic wyrms
          3 great red wyrms
          3 greater air elementals
          1 greater balor
        149 greater chaos servants
          1 greater claw bug
          6 greater daemons
         14 greater doppelgangers
          2 greater earth elementals
          2 greater fire elementals
         11 greater fungoids
          4 greater mimics
          7 greater molochs
         13 greater mummies
          1 greater titan
          3 greater water elementals
          8 green blobs
          8 green hags
         19 green slimes
          9 green worms
         28 gremlins
         13 griffons
          7 grizzly bears
          2 half-orc bouncers
         21 harpies
         19 hell hounds
         40 hill giants
          9 hill giant chieftains
         14 hill orcs
         18 hill orc sergeants
         15 hippogriffs
         63 hobgoblins
          5 hobgoblin chiefs
         17 hobgoblin leaders
         11 homunculi
         25 huge bats
          5 hydras
         25 hyenas
          6 ice elementals
         16 ice lizards
          2 ice statues
         10 ice vortices
          8 imps
          6 invisible stalkers
          4 iron golems
        120 jackals
          5 jackal demons
         21 jackalweres
          2 junior thieves
          1 karmic dragon
          5 karmic dragon hatchlings
          6 karmic lizards
          4 king cobras
         92 kobolds
         16 kobold chieftains
         12 kobold shamans
          9 kobold trapmasters
         64 large bats
          2 large dogs
         14 large gnolls
          7 large jackals
         53 large kobolds
         41 large orcs
         11 large rust monsters
          6 large snakes
        111 large spiders
         15 least daemons
          7 lesser daemons
         15 leucrottas
         44 liches
         22 lightning lizards
          3 lightning vortices
         54 lizard men
          9 magebane eyes
         17 magedoom eyes
         11 major fungoids
          1 margoyle
          6 master assassins
         11 master liches
          4 master mimics
          1 master necromancer
          1 Master Summoner
         13 master swordsmen
         30 mimics
          1 mimic hivemind
         20 minor fungoids
          8 minotaurs
          1 minotaur mazelord
          3 mist wolves
          6 molochs
          2 muggers
         30 mummies
          1 mummy lord
          8 necromancers
         15 ochre jellies
         65 ogres
          1 ogre emperor
          6 ogre kings
         50 ogre lords
          3 ogre magi
        102 orcs
          7 orc butchers
          8 orc chieftains
         24 orc scorchers
         16 outlaws
         11 outlaw leaders
         12 owlbears
         52 pit vipers
          2 pixies
          2 pixie archers
         33 purple worms
         13 quasits
          7 quicklings
          2 quickling kings
          3 quickling lords
         21 rabid dogs
         21 raiders
        202 rats
         29 ratling archers
         10 ratling duelists
          8 ratling fencers
          7 ratling master thieves
         16 ratling thieves
          7 ratling warlords
         25 ratling warriors
          5 rattlesnakes
         58 red dragons
         82 red dragon hatchlings
         19 red worms
          6 revenants
         53 rust monsters
        168 shadows
         13 shadow centipedes
          6 shadow lords
         10 shadow trolls
          6 shadow wyrms
          7 shambling mounds
         13 silver wolves
          3 skeletal kings
         82 skeletal warriors
        113 skeletons
         13 slow shadows
          1 Snake from Beyond
          4 snow golems
         42 spectres
          9 staring eyes
         36 steel golems
         16 steel horrors
         15 steel zombies
        116 stone giants
         58 stone giant lords
         30 stone golems
         29 stone grues
          4 stone oozes
         10 stone snakes
         77 stone statues
          7 swamp hydras
         23 swordsmen
         49 tarantulas
          2 thugs
          4 titans
          1 trapster
         46 trolls
         76 troll berserkers
         14 troll chiefs
         19 troll kings
          1 truesilver golem
          5 ultimate doppelgangers
          1 undead chaos dwarven berserker
         14 vampires
         57 vapor rats
          6 vipers
          1 wall beast
         15 water demons
          5 water elementals
         21 water grues
         22 water snakes
         36 wererats
         13 werewolves
          2 werewolf kings
          7 werewolf lords
          7 white dragons
         22 white dragon hatchlings
          1 white unicorn
         82 white worms
         69 wights
          3 wild cats
          5 will o'wisps
         88 wolves
         57 wraiths
        118 writhing masses of primal chaos
         11 yellow oozes
         58 yetis
        100 zombies
    
    Dispatched the legendary goblin berserker Gregor the Mighty.
    Dispatched the legendary orc scorcher Arik.
    
    You played for 75 hours, 59 minutes and 43 seconds.
    RATLORD.FLG.txt

    Did not play ADOM seriously since 1.1.1, decided to give it a try with 3.3.3.
    Took the new duelist class... which turned to be crazily strong in late game =)

    I had serious problems at the beginning, and was afraid I won't survive Rehetep.
    Partly that was because I was burdened and did not realize that my class powers didn't work.
    Anyway, I got crowned hoping for a good artifact, and received the Trusted One.
    Which was damn good in turns of defense!
    Used it for a long time, training whips and daggers "just in case".

    Then found whip of slaughtering and started using it, falling back to Trusted One only in hard situations.
    With amulet of free action, I stopped using Trusted One at all, since whip of slaughtering was much "faster".
    Late in game switched to whip of the vampire snake.
    It was hilarious to run around blue dragon cases with 166 speed and doing three hits per turn =)
    Received black whip of extinction thanks to "uselessness" and switched to it for the last level.
    To be honest, all three whips are so great that it's hard to choose between them =)

    I must admit that amount of loot has been greatly increased since 1.1.1.
    I have cleared 3 great vaults with red dragons (one in FGJC) and 1 great vault with giants.
    There was so much loot that I was lazy to even look through it!

    The log says that 50 artifacts were generated, but I don't remember many of them.
    Silver key and scroll of finder --- picked up but did not notice them as artifacts,
    I did not see the following artifacts at all:
    • the mighty morning star "Grod"
    • the small black shield "Lust for Glory"
    • the fine leather armor "Nature's Companion" --- would probably wear this one
    • the staff of the archmagi
    • the thorny whip "Bloody Rose"
    • the glowing green cloak "Venom Mantle" --- would be happy to wear this one
    • the wicked spear "Scorpion's Sting"
    • the bracers of pure might

    I collected all loot in the first two great vaults, but got seriously tired of it and only picked up what looked interesting in the other two great vaults.
    I wish the artifacts in the log were sorted in the order they were generated during gameplay, so that I could at least guess when I missed them...

    P.S. The best moment in the whole game was finding book of "Strength of Atlas" and managing to learn it. =)

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    Yeah, duelists are crazy strong in the endgame, but have a somewhat bumpy early game. Not the best class to make use of the far slayer, did you end up using it at all?
    You steal a scroll labelled HITME. The orc hits you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grobblewobble View Post
    Not the best class to make use of the far slayer, did you end up using it at all?
    Yes, indeed.
    Missile weapons are necessary: I used it for killing karmic monsters.
    And dragon slaying ammo for the first two Great Red Wyrms... the last one was simply whipped to death.

    P.S. And used it for jet propulsion on D:49 =)
    Last edited by stgatilov; 03-07-2021 at 01:49 PM.

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    Interesting you favoured black whip over vampire snake. I think both are terrible -- I couldn't even damage a steel golem when I acquired the black whip and vampire snake isn't good unless you charge it up and it's hard to charge up unless you find a vault, and cools down rapidly if you treck across wilderness.

    Bloody rose is my favourite.

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    The only ratling duelist I have ever played was extremely powerful so maybe there is something to this combo.
    As for charged weapons, I think they are silly and I never use them.
    The mechanics behind the whole concept is annoying.
    "Hell is empty and all the devils are here."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blasphemous View Post
    The only ratling duelist I have ever played was extremely powerful so maybe there is something to this combo.
    As for charged weapons, I think they are silly and I never use them.
    The mechanics behind the whole concept is annoying.
    I don't care for them either, it seems unimaginative and I think there's loads more you can do than just make items 'vampiric', yet there's a whole bunch of them.

    Back before they were nerfed though they could be stupid-good... did a cooldown even exist? Arak's guard giving 16+ toughness or something...

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    No, I don't think there was any cooldown.
    My assassin with the silence of the dead could slice through the space-time continuum itself.
    It was staggeringly powerful, insta-gib most things.
    "Hell is empty and all the devils are here."

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