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    Default Going for first Ultimate

    Background:
    I have played ADOM since the 90's, v0.9. Had posted some bugs to Thomas and played intermittently but really got into it v1.1.1. After not playing for well over a decade I found this game on an old HDD and started playing over Christmas!

    So back in the day I only ever finished regular victory, Human Monk was my YAVP. My goal now is Chaos victory and Ultimate victory. Am playing 1.1.1 for nostalgia but may try new version after I get these wins (though I prefer ascii).

    Am running with a Gnomish Bard (my fav combo that I could never get to work) and have a promising char. Finished Gaab bays quests at level 19 and got stuck as was super weak offensively. Found helm of water breathing and accidentally killed the water dragon whilst trying to steal in the dark (she can detect theft in dark but not fight I found out). That netted me 10 levels and decent treasures to get through ToEF and Darkforge.

    Now have finished Water, Earth, Fire, but am wondering what to do next. I have some dragon slaying ammo is that enough to go for stone circle? Have smithed up my gear and am 105/52 DV/PV. I can do about 60 base damage melee and missiles if on berserk mode.
    I've saved up all my attribute potions as my willpower is a bit low and waiting to boost that up with Garth and morgia to get max value (I ate bugs).
    Have some wishes up my sleeve but was saving them for Andor fight? I have plenty scrolls of chaos resistance and decent gear so wasn't sure what to wish for, maybe speed?
    Am level 35 and my current speed is 160. I drank from pools and got rid of my dooming and have invisibility. Am crowned L+.

    TLDR: need tips for finishing ULE, have wishes, still to do is Sharad Waador, Stone Circle, Emperor Moloch, Air Orb, Filk, Malakal (is he needed?).

    Thanks! =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by granny View Post
    ...Am playing 1.1.1 for nostalgia but may try new version after I get these wins (though I prefer ascii).
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    Highly recommend switching to the new versions. Simply change the graphics to ASCII mode in the game settings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by granny View Post
    TLDR: need tips for finishing ULE, have wishes, still to do is Sharad Waador, Stone Circle, Emperor Moloch, Air Orb, Filk, Malakal (is he needed?).

    Thanks! =)
    Malakal is not needed, since chaos weapon is replaced with Red Rooster trident.

    Not sure what other advice is needed. Keriax should be just fine as long as you shoot him and before that disable him (cursed invisibility potions likely), in 1.1.1 cure poison pots won't work (probably).

    Lowering speed (bloated, some speed reducing armor) might be good for xp gains.
    So far rolled 15 casters with RoDS and shamelessly killed them within 200 turns. For eternium glory!
    (after 15 I stopped counting...)

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    Thanks.
    Update: I killed Keriax easily from a distance just using a few dragon slaying arrows. Am up to level 36 now. Unfortunately I missed entering the shimmering portal first time and wasted a month trying to get in.
    Am wondering whether Rift is worthwhile?
    Haven't found anything wearable to slow me down but I can cast Slow Monster on myself repeatedly so will try that.
    Am having trouble raising Fletchery although I have a set in my possession it seems to only let me raise it by one or two points on level up so have only gotten it to 80.

    Will head down to do the Sharad Waador quest and try figure out how to raise levels so I can get the Trident.

    If I make it to Andor, is there any guidelines for how strong my character should be to handle him? I guess I need demon slaying arrows and very high speed? Do you need death blow to be with the Trident, and does throwing the Trident at him work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by granny View Post
    If I make it to Andor, is there any guidelines for how strong my character should be to handle him? I guess I need demon slaying arrows and very high speed? Do you need death blow to be with the Trident, and does throwing the Trident at him work?
    Trident needs to be equipped in a melee slot when Andor dies. You do not need to kill him with it. Bounced lightning bolt/wand in a 2 or 3 wide area is probably the most efficient way. In 1.1.1, you can neuter him with a thrown potion of cure corruption (takes away teleport, paralysis/corruption melee, and summoning), blind him with several cursed potions of invisibility, and then melee for a pretty safe win. This character should be strong enough to handle either approach by level 45. Of course high speed helps, and also Slow Monster (but take away paralysis melee with PoCC first).

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    Thanks for that.
    I have since cleared the Dragon caves and killed Karmic wyrm which got me up to level 47, have met Assassin Prince and killed Filk.
    Still haven't managed to craft any demon slaying ammo and my Fletchery is stuck at 88 it only lets me go up a point or two per level up unfortunately even though I crafted arrows.
    After having blessed and drunk every stat gain potion I had saved up my character is quite strong, can kill regular Moloch in melee so should be able to whittle away Emperor Moloch from a distance, my speed is around 184. My eternium plate mail armor was destroyed in Dragon cave so am running around with a Elven Chain Mail +6+6 hopefully can find something better in Casino or on way down.

    Am up to day 100 almost after having wasted months getting boars skull (I already had boars corpse which I sold to HMV shop thinking this would suffice), danger scroll, and messing around with the shimmering portal. So corruption may become an issue...I already have three of them!

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    Update:
    Have killed Emperor Moloch using hit and run tactics as missiles weren't doing anything and I have nothing penetrating.
    Have the TotRR now.
    Is there anything else left to do except dive CoC and face Andor?

    Things I haven't done yet: Rift, Barbarians quest (I killed a Cutpurse as my first kill in ID but seems these are quite rare, have only found 21 of them so far all game?), Minotaur Maze (but I think it is locked now), Bug Temple underground section.

    I used up my SoCR in the scintillating caves so maybe I should go Rift to get more?
    Have magical writing sets and several PoCR.

    I do have some generic slaying arrows which am saving for Andy.

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