safe converting altars

[fir]

I never do that, so i am afraid, im lvl 21 archer L+ precrowned twice few levels back, now i got very close or about, got also 40K of money in my backpack

get some gray altar in early coc (one level below bigroom)
would like to convert it but really not get cursed or worse

may i do it safely? - and how

[blunk]

Make sure no monsters are around.
Stand on altar.
Sacrify 10-20k gold in one go.

If it's a bigger room or you want to be extremely safe then use wand of door creation around the altar so no monster have any chance at all to spot you.
It's only Neutral monsters who can sacc you on a neutral altar.

[fir]

Make sure no monsters are around.
Stand on altar.
Sacrify 10-20k gold in one go.

If it's a bigger room or you want to be extremely safe then use wand of door creation around the altar so no monster have any chance at all to spot you.
It's only Neutral monsters who can sacc you on a neutral altar.

Im more afraid of being bolted by the god or something like that...
would do it safe and just convert an altar
i liost to high level chars of such mistake when god gets engry and
doomed me and destroyed my best precious equipment..

[blunk]

Im more afraid of being bolted by the god or something like that...
would do it safe and just convert an altar
i liost to high level chars of such mistake when god gets engry and
doomed me and destroyed my best precious equipment..

That could happen if you sacrified to small amount, got alignment changed to N then the L god will get angry.
Also before crowning if you were on extremely low piety you could get worn items destroyed/cursed when sacrifying (in those cases its safe with live sacrify).

[ahpla]

try luring a monster in the altar, the higher the DL the better, if you are afraid your equipment might be cursed or destroyed, leave it somewhere near, if you want to use gold use large amounts, like 100k gp just to be safe

[Blasphemous]

Just sac 5k gold, it always works for me.
5k is a very safe amount, it's doable with 3k but 5k is optimal and there's no risk.
If you're really afraid of any divine retribution, unequip and drop ALL items except gold and one artifact, preferably with shock immunity.
That way, no matter what the deity does, your bases are covered.

[divij]

if you dont have any neutral piety, then the safest way of converting altar is to sacc gold = 500 * character lvl + 500 on the altar. in your case it is 11000 gold! if you have a lot of neutral piety (precrowned N etc.), then things are infinitely more difficult.

[fir]

I used 11k and worked fine, no problem, though i would like to use 5k if it may work too
anyway im pleased, got white alter i neeed

ps first in my lige i get a bit of smithing and now my archer is like

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Archerrkk     St:28  Le:21  Wi:21  Dx:33  To:21  Ch:19  Ap:18  Ma:16  Pe:25 L+
DV/PV: 90/36   H: 244(244)    P: 101(101)    Exp: 23/1424776    D: 7  Sp: 92
Invisible Satiated Strained
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                            Character Information
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Archerrkk    St:28  Le:21  Wi:21  Dx:33  To:21  Ch:19  Ap:18  Ma:16  Pe:25
L+
DV/PV: 90/36   H: 244(244)   P: 101(101)   Exp: 23/1424776   M: 133073



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                            Background Information
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Name: Archerrkk           Race: male High Elf       Class: Archer
Eye color: amber          Hair color: black         Complexion: pale
Height: 6'7"              Weight: 147 pounds
Age: 218 (grown-up)
Star sign: Sword          Birthday: 23/Sword (day 203 of the year)

YOUR HISTORY:
        Your parents belong to the lower class. They were honest
 hard-working people, who did everything to enable you to live a
 comfortable and fine life. They were not very successful.
        As a child you lived through happy days. Your parents tried to ease
 your life as much as possible and gave you a lot of comfort.
        During your youth you were very lazy. You slept a lot and didn't
 care too much for your duties and tasks. Your parents were not very happy
 with you.
        As a young adult you spent a lot of time searching for a deeper
 meaning and purpose in your life. You pondered and pondered but nothing
 truly sparked your interest. Finally, after many many hours, you made a
 decision.
        You decided to become an Archer.


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                                Weapon Skills
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Melee weapon           Lvl   Hit   Dam   DV   Level          Required marks
---------------------  ---   ---   ---   --   -------------  --------------
Unarmed fighting         1    +1    +0   +0   basic                20
Daggers & knives         6    +5    +2   +1   skilled              44
Clubs & hammers          8    +6    +4   +2   excellent            60
Maces & flails          11   +10    +7   +4   Mastery              1617
Swords                   3    +2    +1   +0   basic                52
Axes                     1    +1    +0   +0   basic                20
Whips                    1    +1    +0   +1   basic                20
Pole arms                8    +8    +4   +8   excellent            10
Twohanded weapons        5    +4    +6   +1   skilled              86
Staves                   1    +1    +0   +1   basic                20

Missile weapon         Lvl   Hit   Dam   Ra   Level          Required marks
---------------------  ---   ---   ---   --   -------------  --------------
Slings                   6   +12    +9   +2   skilled              58
Bows                     7   +14   +10   +2   skilled              17
Crossbows                5   +10    +7   +1   skilled              75
Thrown axes & hammers    0    +0    +0   +0   unskilled            7
Thrown daggers           1    +2    +1   +0   basic                11
Thrown rocks & clubs    10   +20   +15   +3   excellent            422
Thrown spears            0    +0    +0   +0   unskilled            7
Boomerangs & scurgari    5   +10    +7   +1   skilled              44

Shields                Lvl   DV               Level          Required marks
---------------------  ---   ---              -------------  --------------
Shields                  8   +16              excellent            190


Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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Right hand: +39 bonus to hit, 5d9+36 damage


Damage caused with your missile weapons:
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Ammunition: 5, base range: 14, +73 bonus to hit, 1d4+42 damage






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                                   Skills
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  Alertness ................ 77    (great)        [+1d3]
  Archery ..................100    (superb)       [+2d4]
  Backstabbing .............100    (superb)       [+1d5]
  Climbing .................100    (superb)       [+2d4]
  Concentration ............100    (superb)       [+2d4]
  Courage .................. 70    (good)         [+1d5]
  Disarm traps ............. 24    (mediocre)     [+3d3]
  Dodge ....................100    (superb)       [+1d5]
  First aid ................ 40    (fair)         [+3d4]
  Fletchery ................100    (superb)       [+2d4] (ma)
  Haggling ................. 52    (good)         [+3d3]
  Herbalism ................ 67    (good)         [+1d3]
  Listening ................100    (superb)       [+1d5]
  Literacy ................. 50    (fair)         [+1d3]
  Smithing ................. 62    (good)         [+1]
  Stealth ..................100    (superb)       [+1d5]
  Swimming ................. 17    (mediocre)     [+3d5]
  Tactics .................. 66    (good)         [+1]
  Two weapon combat ........ 27    (mediocre)     [+3d3]


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                            Effects of Corruption
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You thrive on the flesh of Order.


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                                  Inventory
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Total weight: 11183 stones                Carrying capacity: 7782 stones

Head          : uncursed horned helmet (+1, +1) [+7, +5]             [100s]
Neck          : blessed ankh                                           [3s]
Body          : blessed robes of resistance (-4, -4) [+3, +12] {To+5} [60s]
Girdle        : blessed girdle of carrying [+0, +0]                   [15s]
Cloak         : blessed cloak of invisibility (-1, +0) [+3, +4]       [30s]
Right Hand    : uncursed wicked adamantium mace of devastation (+0, 5d9+12)
Left Hand     : uncursed large adamantium shield (-1) [+11, +5]       [86s]
Right Ring    : blessed ring of damage                                 [1s]
Left Ring     : blessed ring of damage                                 [1s]
Bracers       : blessed bracers of war [+8, +4] {Dx+8}                [10s]
Gauntlets     : uncursed fencing gloves of fidelity [+3, +1] {Ch+6}    [6s]
Boots         : uncursed mithril boots [+5, +2]                       [96s]
Missile Weapon: -
Missiles      : heap of 5 uncursed rocks (-2, 1d4)                    [25s]
Tool          : uncursed pick axe (+1, 1d6+1)                         [75s]

could smith yet a gordle of carrying and cloak of invisibility maybe, but i dont know if this is iron?
i got not much smithing but bumping +5 +5 on each smithable wear seem managable

[Blasphemous]

Cloaks are made of material not iron. Same for girdle of carrying.
You'd need scrolls of protection to increase DV/PV on those.

[Rick]

I use always the same methode and always work, sacc beasts that you would sacrifice on your own altar (ex. I play always neutral, so sacrifice a chaotic monster on a chaotic altar convert the altar to neutral. The same on lawful altars, if you are neutral sacc a chaotic convert to neutral). Don't know if it can fail (anyway there is a struggle between gods), I know that never failed for me.

P.S.
Thanks to some good advice and after the LONG battle finally the Gate is Closed..!..now don't know if finish the game or let him run to level 50 (a lot of place are still to be visited), but this char is starting to get me bored, and I want a victory in the hi-score, so I think I will post the final results before he get killed in some stupid way after all this..!