Scummy tactics: which ones would you remove/solve from Adom/Jade? How?

[JellySlayer]

I actually think changing how AI behaves around darkness and invisible PCs would be an improvement that would be worth considering. Either 1) mobs run away immediately if they are attacked and don't respond or 2) they act like current blind monsters and may stumble into the PC to do damage. I'd also add proper resistances to blind, confusion, stun, and paralysis, which are all pretty overpowered.

I think the OP just took the list of "scummy tactics" from the Wiki page on the subject. That list is not necessarily exhaustive.

[Sradac]

I'd say the only one that seems like a huge exploit for me is scumming for stats after purposefully making yourself sick

[Sadface]

I would probably do away with starving stat training, too.
With patience you can get your Wi and Dx to about 45-50.

[Laukku]

That could be fixed simply by having the game check the unmodified value of the attribute instead of the modified one. If your Dx really is 30, but have a -20 modifier, checking the stat when raising it should return Dx:30 instead of Dx:10.

[Dudley]

The ONLY problem i see with that is that it doesn't take corruptions (which after all are how your body IS, not supposedly impermanent) into account. To me, training via corruptions are a valid feature and not a exploit.

[Sadface]

Maybe have three values for stats, say, call them "modifiedStat",
"unmodifiedStat" and "damagedStat". The value of modifiedStat
would be the totals for each stat after modifications such as
corruptions and magical enhancements. The value of unmodifiedStat
would be your base stats, without anything boosting or lowering
them. The value of damagedStat would be the totals of each
stat after magical or natural detriments are taken into consideration.

To display your "real" stats:

The game would first take the unmodified stat, and then figure out
for each stat the difference between modifiedStat and damagedStat
are. For example:

unmodifiedStat:
St: 11 Dx: 14 To: 13 Ch: 9

modifiedStat:
St: 14 Dx: 30 To: 20 Ch: 9

damagedStat:
St: 11 Dx: 4 To: 20 Ch: 1

The difference between each value:
unmodifiedStat
St: 11 Dx: 14 To: 13 Ch: 9 //That is, this is the base.

modifiedStat
St: +3 Dx: +16 To: +7 Ch: +0

damagedStat
St: +0 Dx: -10 To: +0 Ch: -14

From here, it would add both modifiedStat's and damagedStat's
differences to your displayed stats. For training purposes, the
game only uses modifiedStat's values. Damaged stats are, for
example, St set to 2 because of a ring of weakness, Wi lowered
because of starvation, etc.

[Silfir]

My favorite solution would be to make potential maximums hard. If we allow stat potions to raise them, make stat potions rare. ADOM was a save-the-world game where becoming a superhero was quite in line with the setting. JADE doesn't have to go the same route.

[Sradac]

I agree with you on that Silfir. Heck theres multiple endings where you yourself end up being a god, an avatar, a demi god, etc. JADE in my mind is a much larger world with a lot more "heros" about than adom did. I think it should be EXREMELY hard to get an ending where you achieve that status. Make it the most epic of epic quests to do.


ya know I just had a thought though...

wouldnt it be so awesome to play JADE online with others? They already have online *bands. Of course most of those arent very fun and the real time aspect of it makes it a bit hard to keep up with.

I just think it would be so hilarious to see that Gut worked hard to become a famous character in a certain area of the world, did all this hard work, became lord of some keep, and Grey comes along with his warband of trolls he somehow befriended and knocked all that hard work in the dust.

[Dudley]

SO THAT'S HOW ANCARDIA WAS CREATED!!! a meeting between the force of chaos and of law.

[Silfir]

True online JADE (there's already MUDs, after all) won't happen in a million years, but perhaps the ability to export a world for others to play in, including your character?