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I love killing my first cat. At first I curse under my breath but Cat Lord is just a boss and Cat Ring is just an artifact and now I can finally shoot those wands of farslaying into mixed tension rooms with a grin on my face. It's really a lot of stress taken out of the game once that first cat dies.
I said it before, and I'll say it again. If I knew scripture like you, I'd prolly be an athiest too.. -gut
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Maybe i just have been lucky. But it is getting a lot easier to not kill cats recently.
At first i tried several drakish assassins for the music skill but the few times i didn't kill a cat i ended up dying somewhere. Then i went gnomish and made seldom use of ventriloquism to help me lock them in somewhere and I was very successful with that.
The most important thing is zapping monster detection when you encounter a vault or tension room, and using the 'w'alk command...always. If you find a cat like this, you can only kill it if you are playing in the dark while drunk =P
Of course, sometimes it cannot be helped. Locked in between two cats with no tele/PoEx etc...
But nearly all the times i killed cats it happened while I was precrowning in a low DL level and didn't use the 'w'alk command when luring monsters.
Also, a strategy that few use. After you explore a level, lock all doors that you won't use to walk between stairs. I usually have D: 1 to 16 pacified this way in all my games, and that's where you are most likely to run into a cat. You don't even have to lure worms or jellies into rooms, just lock it and most monster generation will happen there. Eventually there will be enough monsters on the level so that your way will always be clear.
Having pick locks and getting thieves picks is obviously a big help with that. And that's one of the reasons i really really like thieves. they can AVOID danger a lot better than most classes, and they can do it from lvl 1. But anyone can get pick locks and TPicks, so I really recommend it.
Last edited by pblack; 10-22-2009 at 02:26 AM.
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Even then there is a slight chance: you choose a weak attack (f.e. "kick" ) and hope that one of the two cats gets frightened before You kill her.Originally Posted by pblack
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There are all other sorts of wonderful ways to make cats wander off. If I am 100% certain I want to go through all the effort to not kill a cat, I'll throw a potion of blindness at them if needed; simply because if I don't kill that cat, then I don't need to hope the RNG doesn't destroy it before I get to Cat Lord because that's when I'd really need it.
I said it before, and I'll say it again. If I knew scripture like you, I'd prolly be an athiest too.. -gut
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Since we're off-topic already, I might as well share my favorite low-tech way to get rid of cats here.
Step one: get the cat and something that isn't dangerous, probably won't drop items, and that you're fine with killing into the same small room. Here I use a hobgoblin, which isn't ideal because of the item drop chance.
Step 2: step out of the room such that the non-cat is blocking the only doorway. This may take a few tries.Code:############ #?/?????????# ##############?#????<????# ???/?????????/?#?????????# ########## ####?????????############ #?????????# +?????????# ### #?????????# ### #?????????# ??# #?????????# #?? #?????????# ###?###?????????###?### #?????????####### ??????/?????????+?????? ?????????/?????# ######?###?????????###?#####################?########### ???????????????????????????????????????????????@f??????# ################################################g??????# #???????# ######### Grik St:29 Le: 3 Wi:15 Dx:15 To:24 Ch: 5 Ap: 7 Ma: 2 Pe:12 C DV/PV: 14/11 H: 36(36) P: 0(0) Exp: 1/104 I1 Sp: 100
Step 3: Wait until the cat has a square between it and the (occupied) door square.Code:The hobgoblin misses you. ############ #?/?????????# ##############?#????<????# ???/?????????/?#?????????# ########## ####?????????############ #?????????# +?????????# ### #?????????# ### #?????????# ??# #?????????# #?? #?????????# ###?###?????????###?### #?????????####### ??????/?????????+?????? ?????????/?????# ######?###?????????###?#####################?########### ??????????????????????????????????????????????@gf??????# ################################################???????# #???????# ######### Grik St:29 Le: 3 Wi:15 Dx:15 To:24 Ch: 5 Ap: 7 Ma: 2 Pe:12 C DV/PV: 24/11 H: 36(36) P: 0(0) Exp: 1/104 I1 Sp: 100 Coward
Step 4: Switch tactics to Berserk and take one attack against the non-cat.Code:The hobgoblin misses you. ############ #?/?????????# ##############?#????<????# ???/?????????/?#?????????# ########## ####?????????############ #?????????# +?????????# ### #?????????# ### #?????????# ??# #?????????# #?? #?????????# ###?###?????????###?### #?????????####### ??????/?????????+?????? ?????????/?????# ######?###?????????###?#####################?########### ??????????????????????????????????????????????@g?f?????# ################################################???????# #???????# ######### Grik St:29 Le: 3 Wi:15 Dx:15 To:24 Ch: 5 Ap: 7 Ma: 2 Pe:12 C DV/PV: 24/11 H: 36(36) P: 0(0) Exp: 1/104 I1 Sp: 100 Coward
If that didn't kill the non-cat, repeat steps 3 and 4 (remember to use your tactics settings!) until it does.Code:You hit the hobgoblin and transform him into a mangled heap! [+19xp] ############ #?/?????????# ##############?#????<????# ???/?????????/?#?????????# ########## ####?????????############ #?????????# +?????????# ### #?????????# ### #?????????# ??# #?????????# #?? #?????????# ###?###?????????###?### #?????????####### ??????/?????????+?????? ?????????/?????# ######?###?????????###?#####################?########### ??????????????????????????????????????????????@/f??????# ################################################???????# #???????# ######### Grik St:29 Le: 3 Wi:15 Dx:15 To:24 Ch: 5 Ap: 7 Ma: 2 Pe:12 C DV/PV: 5/11 H: 36(36) P: 0(0) Exp: 1/123 I1 Sp: 100 Berserk
Step 5: close the door on the now not-your-problem-until-someone-opens-it door! Lock it if you can. If you can't, just try not to spend too much time on the level.
Congratulations, you've just dealt (possibly temporarily) with a cat you can't outrun with no inventory use!Code:You close the door. ############ #?/?????????# ##############?#????<????# ???/?????????/?#?????????# ########## ####?????????############ #?????????# +?????????# ### #?????????# ### #?????????# ??# #?????????# #?? #?????????# ###?###?????????###?### #?????????####### ??????/?????????+?????? ?????????/?????# ######?###?????????###?#####################?########### ??????????????????????????????????????????????@+???????# ################################################???????# #???????# ######### Grik St:29 Le: 3 Wi:15 Dx:15 To:24 Ch: 5 Ap: 7 Ma: 2 Pe:12 C DV/PV: 5/11 H: 36(36) P: 0(0) Exp: 1/123 I1 Sp: 100 Berserk
Of course, if you have a wand of trap creation, that's a foolproof way to (if you lead them over it enough) safely kill them. The manual lies when it says that PC-created traps count as cat kills.
EDIT: sorry about the question-mark tiles, comes from using the sage option for dot-instead-of-period tiles. Don't think it detracts from the technique.
Last edited by Captain Platypus; 10-23-2009 at 02:35 PM.
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You mean non-cat?
You hit Andor Drakon, the ElDeR cHaOs GoD, and severely wound him.
The greater balor summons some help!
The ratling duelist disarms you. You drop your blessed Trident of the Red Rooster (+36, 6d12+18) [+12, +12]. It flies to the west.
Andor Drakon, the ElDeR cHaOs GoD, picks up the blessed Trident of the Red Rooster (+36, 6d12+18) [+12, +12].
Andor Drakon, the ElDeR cHaOs GoD, wields the blessed Trident of the Red Rooster (+36, 6d12+18) [+12, +12].
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Er, yes. Oops. I blame the genocidal instincts hammered into me by years of avoiding killing them. My current PC, who ended up kicking a cat to death early while trying to make it run (trapped in a long corridor between two, just bad luck) has about twenty cat kills, and I'm considering starting a wish engine just so I can wish for cats a few thousand times and boost that. I. Don't. Like. Them.
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