This forum needs...

[Necropassion]

A good moderator would never leave. If he leaves chances are we're also stuck with spam again. 'Tis the way life works (on the internet).

Let's just all agree that having the old TH sucks thread along with the ADOM links and the server thread stickied then?

Modify his post? Who on Earth would do such a thing?!

I do see your points, though. I'd also say spam removal would suffice, but having the above mentioned threads stickied would reduce the need for newbies at the forum to ask things that have already been thoroughly covered elsewhere. A positive side-effect of this would be that Soirana wouldn't have to lose his temper over thread-spamming.

[Silfir]

Regardless of what the moderator is going to do, of course he isn't supposed to simply disappear. That's true whether or not he or she can sticky threads. Thomas should appoint someone he is reasonably sure won't disappear without warning if at all.

Who decides which threads should be stickied? The moderator, of course, based on the input of the users. It would have to be a strange kind of moderator who finds something corrupting in that power. "Today I will show everyone the size of my e-penis by stickying a thread from one year ago that absolutely no one cares about! Gwahaha"?

Anyone who posted anything has the power to edit any of his posts at any time, and bump his thread back to the first page by posting in it, and I haven't witnessed a single case where someone did any dumb shit with that power. But okay, let's say someone who created a thread worthy of being stickied suddenly decides to go batshit insane. What happens? You unsticky the thread. Again, people can be disruptive and do dumb shit like change their posts at any point already. Why should they start doing it because there are suddenly stickied threads? Is the sticky pin the seed of all evil or something?



This is an extremely civilized forum with a refreshingly scarce amount of morons in it. That's the result of this forum consisting of nice people from countries all over the world and ADOM being a game that is generally not enjoyed by morons. It is not whatsoever related to us having no moderator - other forums that go unmoderated for a prolonged amount of time go to hell right quick. A bad moderator - as in, one who lets his power and position get to his head and starts using his power to force his opinions and animosities on people - could do a lot of damage. A lazy moderator will not do anything, and essentially the forum will be the same as it has been with only Thomas pulling the strings, which went fine enough for one and a half years now (maybe possibly it will have some mildly out of date stickied threads). A good moderator will relieve Thomas of quite some stress and otherwise stay out of everyone's way.

[gut]

You're all a bunch of pansies.

> dont care if you disagree about me contacting him.
> I think its a good idea to do it, therefore I will

Now we plan to fight spam with spam. Delicious.

Jan Erik has mentioned that he deletes 1 zillion spams
per day from the brinkster forums, so that's not the
answer. For all this belly-aching over how we 'don't
have an attentive mod' and 'we don't have no mod at
all!', please notice that we are just now having some
trouble with this, and it's because the admin is on
honeymoon. Stop your griping and deal with it for a
few days. TB will be back in a while, maybe impliment
a different registration scheme (which is exactly what
he did last time this happened about a year ago), and
everything will be fine.

You pansies would never make it on usenet : )

[modular]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO_Pw...eature=related

@ 3:40

[Epythic]

A good moderator would never leave. If he leaves chances are we're also stuck with spam again. 'Tis the way life works (on the internet).

The way life works on the internet is that people *do* leave from time to time. Even mods.

Let's just all agree that having the old TH sucks thread along with the ADOM links and the server thread stickied then?

No.

Modify his post? Who on Earth would do such a thing?!

Some bad mod? Because he can?

You're all a bunch of pansies.

> dont care if you disagree about me contacting him.
> I think its a good idea to do it, therefore I will

Now we plan to fight spam with spam. Delicious.

Let me say it again.

> dont care if you disagree about me contacting him.

Thomas opted in, therefore by definition it is no spam.

Jan Erik has mentioned that he deletes 1 zillion spams
per day from the brinkster forums, so that's not the
answer. For all this belly-aching over how we 'don't
have an attentive mod' and 'we don't have no mod at
all!', please notice that we are just now having some
trouble with this, and it's because the admin is on
honeymoon. Stop your griping and deal with it for a
few days. TB will be back in a while, maybe impliment
a different registration scheme (which is exactly what
he did last time this happened about a year ago), and
everything will be fine.

And that means we cant ask him to appoint a mod?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO_Pw...eature=related

@ 3:40

Oh yeah I found that film (mostly) funny.

Nothing todo with the topic, but I love how their king is presented @4:57. In one breath:

"Presenting our royal highness, our illustrious King Julian the 13th, self-proclaimed lord of the lemurs, etcetera etcetera, hooray everybody."

Not sure if it is "illustrious", and I guessed "highness" too... this thing pushed my english skills to the limit.

[Silfir]

Isn't it contradictory to ask Thomas to appoint a mod, and in the same breath let shine through that you work under the assumption the mod he appoints will almost invariably become corrupted by his power (for instance, edit posts just because he can) or disappear eventually anyway (nevermind the good things he can do while he's there)? If you're going to be this distrustful, why advocate getting a mod at all?

And gut is right in one thing. This problem cannot be solved either way until Thomas returns. He's on vacation, after all.

[gut]

Iridia was a mod on the brinkster forums, and she never got out
of hand. To my knowledge, she just deleted spam, and it stayed
that way for years. They didn't sticky anything there either, and I
prefer it that way. Mod or no mod makes no difference to me. The
thing that somewhat irritates me is the asking. It's like a free-for-all.

"Can I be mod?" "Can I be mod?" "Oooh, oooh, me me me me!"
That's how it was read in the brinkster forums when they were
appointing mods there, and it sounded childish and silly. It seems
like it's starting here as well, and it doesn't even have a snowball's
chance of happening. Then after a mod is appointed the posts
invariably change to something more like "So-and-so hasn't even
logged in for 3 days, and it seems like they've been getting really
lax as of late. I think I would make a better mod than that! Appoint
me instead!" I wish we could avoid that silliness with a simple
change to the registration scheme.

If anyone should be appointed mod here it should be Darren.

[Epythic]

Isn't it contradictory to ask Thomas to appoint a mod, and in the same breath let shine through that you work under the assumption the mod he appoints will almost invariably become corrupted by his power (for instance, edit posts just because he can) or disappear eventually anyway (nevermind the good things he can do while he's there)? If you're going to be this distrustful, why advocate getting a mod at all?

For dealing with spam? As I said, a mod can hardly misuse his power if there is the clear rule that must only delete spam.

Of course now there is the problem of defining what is spam... guess what, thats why we need someone with common sense.

Of course if he really goes havok then we got a problem.

But I was more talking about its-for-your-own-good kind of corruption.

And gut is right in one thing. This problem cannot be solved either way until Thomas returns. He's on vacation, after all.

Does that mean we can't discuss it?

Iridia was a mod on the brinkster forums, and she never got out
of hand. To my knowledge, she just deleted spam, and it stayed
that way for years. They didn't sticky anything there either, and I
prefer it that way. Mod or no mod makes no difference to me. The
thing that somewhat irritates me is the asking. It's like a free-for-all.

"Can I be mod?" "Can I be mod?" "Oooh, oooh, me me me me!"
That's how it was read in the brinkster forums when they were
appointing mods there, and it sounded childish and silly. It seems
like it's starting here as well, and it doesn't even have a snowball's
chance of happening. Then after a mod is appointed the posts
invariably change to something more like "So-and-so hasn't even
logged in for 3 days, and it seems like they've been getting really
lax as of late. I think I would make a better mod than that! Appoint
me instead!" I wish we could avoid that silliness with a simple
change to the registration scheme.

...which will probably be broken again, while appointing a mod is a more permanent.. eh, workaround. Although thats masking the symptoms, not going for the root (= spammers get through).

If anyone should be appointed mod here it should be Darren.

Why that? Postcount doesnt really say alot... and post quality is roughly equal for the more active members. One thing that speaks for Grey, as far as I know, is that he has been around for much longer than this forum exists.
(not that I wouldnt be fine with grey, just questioning why you picked him...)



Anyway, maybe it *is* better if we don't make a recommendation on who to choose... still, I'm going to send the postcard, and if only to tell TB that theres some spam getting through (well, actually the real reason I'll do that is that I want to finally complete the damn postcard quest...)

[Silfir]

Darren would be a fine choice regardless of his post count. Gut knows him long enough not to found his decision on that

I would also fully trust Darren to not ever doom our forum by placing nonsensical stickies, and to get the spelling of mis-spelled forum threads right, while we're at it. So in my book he would be the perfect moderator.

[gut]

> not that I wouldnt be fine with grey, just questioning
> why you picked him.

I feel really awkward saying positive things about Grey : )

1. He's already the official newsgroup maintainer, and if I'm not
mistaken, he's also the ADOM FAQ maintainer. I think it's just
consistent to have one guy modding both ADOM forums.

2. He's been on the ADOM scene since 1904, and his knowledge
of obscure ADOM trivia is second to none. He once actually scored
higher on my ADOM logic puzzle questions than I did, and I was
the guy who wrote them. The nerd.

3. He's had a consistent logging frequency for years.

4. He's already demonstrated good organizational skills.

5. He's already written a roguelike game himself, so he would
have a better perspective than most on what would be sticky
worthy for all forum threads, not just the 'general ADOM discussion'
thread that most users frequent.

6. He has his own website for distributing his own game, so probably
has some experience with web-related matters. I'm not saying this
is difficult to come by, or that others don't have it, I'm just listing it
as a reason. The smaller the mod's learning curve, the better.

I can actually list more, but I have to go throw up now...