Brimstone Man Questions

[Tyrnyx]

How many times has it been done?

How many times has it been done without piety abuse?

Can it be done without an altar generating?

How do you deal with grues even if you get an altar?

[Grond]

1. At least four times (Zharradan, gut, Grond)
2. gut's run didn't involve any piety abuse. Zharradan's run didn't straight-up piety scum, but did sacrifice dragon-doubled gold.
3. Piety scumming version doesn't need an altar. Otherwise it's technically possible without, but the chances of succeeding without one are terrible (even by brimstone man standards).
4. Run away, close doors, hope they don't shrug.

[fitzpa88]

Are you allowed (I guess both "ethically" and for getting the steam achievement) to step back out of the ToEF? Not to step off of the square, but to go back to the worldmap to regain PP/HP?

Re #3, are odds terrible without an altar (in a non-piety-scumming game) primarily bc of lack of prayers or difficulty digging?

[Grond]

Are you allowed (I guess both "ethically" and for getting the steam achievement) to step back out of the ToEF? Not to step off of the square, but to go back to the worldmap to regain PP/HP?

There is no Steam achievement for this challenge. Stepping out to heal is not allowed (or at least is considered a lesser version of the challenge).

Re #3, are odds terrible without an altar (in a non-piety-scumming game) primarily bc of lack of prayers or difficulty digging?

Biggest issue would be digging. It's entirely possible for you to run out of frost bolt before managing to get a digging tool up to TF:4. But the lack of prayers is also a major issue both for general survival in the tower, and for fighting ACW.